Hit Girl (kick ass) vs. John Preston (Equilibrium)

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hey, I'm just pointing out a pattern with you. Gimp gimp gimp!!! You always cry gimp when things are made clear. Hogwarts simply came to mind, you've done it in other threads too. It's your MO.

A true test of who is better out of HG and Preston is putting them on neutral ground with equal weaponry. Allowing Preston full auto on his guns gives him an unfair advantage, the thread then becomes "Hit Girl's pistols versus John Preston's pistols", not "Hit Girl versus John Preston."

Now, let's discuss the blade battle, yeah? You ready for this shit?

Lowering an opponent is a gimp; you know this. You're simple ignoring it now, because it suits you.

If he had lowered Hit-Girl's guns from what she had in the scene instead of Preston's and just said "it's a clarification", you'd say Hit-Girl is being gimped now; you'd be correct.

Good lord, more weasel tactics. Let me guess, you'd insist Hit-Girl get a katana instead of the glaive she used because the glaive would give her an unfair reach advantage over Preston in a blade fight? No, you wouldn't, so don't try that bullshit now.

If you need to gimp Preston so Hit-Girl has a chance, that should let you know who's better at what they do.

Not in here. Make a thread if you like.

^ Whats it matter to you? Preston has the invincible Gun Kata anyway, he'd never get hit.

(if that was directed at me in regards to me claiming such)

Never took you for a troll, go figure.

Originally posted by Robtard
(if that was directed at me in regards to me claiming such)

Never took you for a troll, go figure.

You never made that claim, its not far off though, you wouldn't be able to explain why it isn't invincible.

Also, I'm done being civil with you after comments like that.

Robtard, I must admit, its been a while since I've watched equilibrium, so apologies for the fudge up. I forgot about the twin autos b4 I made this thread, so sorry for that. However, now that that's been clarified, it really makes this a closer battle. Now, we both know that just because Preston don't got his twins here, don't change his bad-ass-ery.

Yeah, I eff'd up. Shoot me.

Originally posted by Robtard
Lowering an opponent is a gimp; you know this. You're simple ignoring it now, because it suits you.

If he had lowered Hit-Girl's guns from what she had in the scene instead of Preston's and just said "it's a clarification", you'd say Hit-Girl is being gimped now; you'd be correct.

Good lord, more weasel tactics. Let me guess, you'd insist Hit-Girl get a katana instead of the glaive she used because the glaive would give her an unfair reach advantage over Preston in a blade fight? No, you wouldn't, so don't try that bullshit now.

If you need to gimp Preston so Hit-Girl has a chance, that should let you know who's better at what they do.

Not in here. Make a thread if you like.

Enough, time to end this. First and foremost, I think we all agree that Hit Girl and Preston's high end gun feats are their respective hallway shootouts.

Observe. Hit Girl raiding Frank's lair:

YouTube video

Look at how small the book aisle is, maybe ten feet. She proceeds down the book aisle, head on, dodging bullets THREE times, and takes out fourteen men that I count.

Now here's Preston in his hallway shootout:

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Look at how wide the hallway is, it's like 40 feet wide. Preston dances his way down the hallway, downing around 25 men. Now, yes, he killed more than HG did, but that's only because there were more to be killed. Also Preston knew where and when they would fire, he knows their training inside and out, so yeah, he had that going in, whereas HG had no idea how her opponents would fight.

Prestons hallway? 40ish feet wide.

Hit Girls hallway? Ten feet wide.

Do the math. Hit Girls hallway shootout was more impressive.

Now, let's discuss the blade battle. First and foremost, if Preston gets within blades reach of her, she's done. That's roughly three feet.

Look at the vid I posted of Hit Girl raiding Frank's lair. The elevator doors open at :05. She uses her rope knives to slice a guys throat, takes out a second guy, climbs up the third guy, stabs him in the throat, then she takes one of her blades and throws it across the room 20 feet, striking the downed guy in his gun hand. Then she slides over, does a cowgirl lasso maneuver, wraps the guy up, and makes him blow his head off with his pistols. THAT is badass. Give her those knives that are attached by ropes and Preston never gets close enough to use his sword, he'll be disarmed and have his throat cut.

Or she can simply throw her butterfly knives at him, or throw a butcher knife at him. Either way the knives will hit him in the chest and kill him.

There we have it, Hit Girl wins the blade battle.

Now, let's talk full gear. Hit Girl has smoke and stun grenades. I think that speaks for itself. Not to mention machine guns, night vision, and all her other gear.

Now, H2H. Preston probably takes her H2H.

I think that about covers it.

Well the fact that you if you did indeed PM the OP asking for full gear or whatever is a bit gimp. And a bit of a ***** move as well. You've gotta stop talking about crap like strobe lights, and NVG's though when it doesnt even ****in matter that she has them in "full" gear. You should apply things that matter in the fight. WHICH IS LIT. As for who wins I"ve already stated my opinion, but I am not a John Preston expert, nor a Hit Girl expert. It's way easier to analyze Hit Girl however as she's a cookie cutter hero.

Common sense. You should use more of it. As for that Hogwartz thread which I remember very well. You did indeed have a lot of things gimped in it and you did indeed bring up a lot of things that didn't even happen in the movie, but in the rather in the Potterverse itself. But that's neither here nor there as I consider that shit done and over with.

Originally posted by Kaibs
Well the fact that you if you did indeed PM the OP asking for full gear or whatever is a bit gimp. And a bit of a ***** move as well. You've gotta stop talking about crap like strobe lights, and NVG's though when it doesnt even ****in matter that she has them in "full" gear. You should apply things that matter in the fight. WHICH IS LIT. As for who wins I"ve already stated my opinion, but I am not a John Preston expert, nor a Hit Girl expert. It's way easier to analyze Hit Girl however as she's a cookie cutter hero.

Common sense. You should use more of it. As for that Hogwartz thread which I remember very well. You did indeed have a lot of things gimped in it and you did indeed bring up a lot of things that didn't even happen in the movie, but in the rather in the Potterverse itself. But that's neither here nor there as I consider that shit done and over with.

No, I simply pm'd him asking for clarification, that's all. I let him know here, in public, that I think it should be full gear. sixbysix is a big boy, he made the decision on his own. And you ask ME to use common sense 🙄 You're the one implying that I used some kind of Jedi mind trick on him in a pm, got him to clarify to my satisfaction. Get a clue, dude.

pm: Asked for clarification.

Here: Suggested full gear.

Get it got it good.

Here, this is the pm I sent him. You can ask six to confirm:

Rogue Jedi wrote on Aug 16th, 2010 11:45 AM:
If you get a chance, can you go to your Hit Girl/Preston and address this?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Also, the OP needs clarification.

Where do they fight? Night or day? Well lit environment?

And also, what I just said:

Pretty sure the thread starter will agree that in order to keep it even, Preston can only use semi auto.

That, or he should allow full gear for HG, everything she had in her backpack.

See? I SUGGESTED that Preston only be allowed full auto. And that if he was allowed full auto, that Hit Girl is allowed full gear. I offered a suggestion, he read it, then made his own decision.

pm: Suggestion.

Here: I asked for full gear.

Get it got it good.

As for the strobe light, the OP didn't say how well lit the environmet was. I then brought the strobe light into play. If you noticed, I dropped it when he said the environment was fully lit.

Here, observe:

The OP:

Originally posted by six6six
In a hallway shootout, who would win?

Weapons: pistols that each had during each of their own hallway shootout

Equal amount of ammo

NO mention of how well lit the environment is.

And on page 7, I bring the strobe light into play:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yes they were. They were stationary or moving a foot this way or that at slow speeds. Fact.

No comment on how Gun Kata is designed to work with maximum effectiveness against a group of stationary shooters, as opposed to one shooter who moves way faster than anyone in Equilibrium? K.

I'll circle back to HG's stealth.

Check THIS out:

YouTube video

FF to 1:25-2:10. Strobe light. If Preston can't see her, he can't shoot her. And no, the opening scene in Equilibrium won't work as a counter for you here. Those guys were standing still, reloading their weapons, talking, making all sorts of noise.

Cool stuff, yeah?

And further down on page 7, six clarifies:

Originally posted by six6six
-well lit environment

-Preston can only use semi-auto to be fair

You know, I notice that the mob boss kicking HG's ass keeps getting brought up. If she hadn't ran out of bullets, he would've died just as easily as the rest. H2h does not matter here.

See? The OP said nothing of how well lit the environment was.

I brought the strobe light into play.

six clarified, said it was a well lit environment.

I dropped the strobe light argument.

In that order ✅ You need to pay attention.

I gimped nothing in the Hogwarts thread. I did the same thing as the pm here, I pm'd the thread starter and asked for clarification. He came back and posted it. HIS clarification, HIS ideas, not mine. And no, I stuck purely to the movies, 100% to the movies. I brought nothing from the books into play. The only thing that might pertain to what you are saying is when I referred to fiendfyre. I asked then and I ask now, what was that serpent fire thing Voldy used at the ministry of magic battle? It did everything fiendfyre is supposed to do, it resembled fiendfyre in every way. What was I supposed to call it? Just because it never said what it was called in the movie I can't use it? You can call it "poopoo fire fart smeller" if you like, doesn't matter to me.

Originally posted by Placidity
You never made that claim, its not far off though, you wouldn't be able to explain why it isn't invincible.

Also, I'm done being civil with you after comments like that.

How does that make sense? Correct, I never said it was invincible, so why would I try to explain how it is.

Comments like?

Preston killed a bunch of dudes in the dark anyway

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Preston killed a bunch of dudes in the dark anyway

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
They were making a bunch of noise. He listened for a good ten seconds before firing.

That's a negative how?

It was pitch black and he doesn't use night-vision, so he needed to listen to them whisper and memorize their position.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's a negative how?

It was pitch black and he doesn't use night-vision, so he needed to listen to them whisper and memorize their position.

Did you see that?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah, I know, that's what I was saying. He memorized where they were and they stayed there, they were stationary.

Did you see that?

Considering they didn't fire back at him once he began his slaughter, your point failed. They fired while he was sliding in the room, that wasn't gunkata, blame their miss on poor vision and/or shit aim.

But yes, those guys were stationary, and the room was pitch black.

Originally posted by Robtard
Considering they didn't fire back at him once he began his slaughter, your point failed. They fired while he was sliding in the room, that wasn't gunkata, blame their miss on poor vision and/or shit aim.

But yes, those guys were stationary, and the room was pitch black.

They didn't fire back because they could not see him. They didn't have night vision goggles.

Yeah, their aim was shit.

Preston wins

There was never anything about "full gear", just pistols. I clarified the lighting and corrected myself on the auto pistols. Equal amount of ammo still stands. I personally think Preston has his hands full here. Not having to repeat every single little detail, yes, JP obviously has more experience, training, yaddi yadda yadda. However, though he has taken on soldiers/clerics, none were shown to be as quick & agile as HG. Let alone small. Unless there were some midget clerics that were on the deleted scenes or something. Now, though it seems that I'm choosing HG's side, ill say this, a HUGE fault of hers is not keeping count on her rounds. Chances are, she wont kill JP that fast, if at all, and end up running out of bullets, therefore getting her cute little butt lit up like a Xmas tree.

Hit Girl may have dodged a coupla bullets, but she won't be dodging a barrage of bullets from someone who hardly ever missed and from someone who has deadly accuracy..

to summarize.. Hit Girl does down riddled with bullet holes with blood seeping out

the end

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Hit Girl may have dodged a coupla bullets, but she won't be dodging a barrage of bullets from someone who hardly ever missed and from someone who has deadly accuracy..

to summarize.. Hit Girl does down riddled with bullet holes with blood seeping out

the end

Seriously, read the thread, HG wins. It's not an opinion, it's fact.

Deny it all you want, RJ, gun kata seals a win here. You've done nothing but spew opinion, not fact.