Originally posted by six6six
-well lit environment-Preston can only use semi-auto to be fair
You know, I notice that the mob boss kicking HG's ass keeps getting brought up. If she hadn't ran out of bullets, he would've died just as easily as the rest. H2h does not matter here.
Of course he would have.
Originally posted by XanatosForeverWell damn, if we go by what she had on her scene by scene, she uses her grenade. 🙄
I just want to point that both of these posts are wrong for different reasons.Kaibs, Hit Girl's pistol actually did have the strobe attached to it during the rescue scene, which let her keep her accuracy by holding the pistol with two hands.
RJ, while it was the same pistol, the strobe attachment wasn't on it because, if you recall during the rescue scene, she detached the strobe to distract the last two guards. Which means by the time of the hallway, it would just be a standard pistol.
Doesn't really matter, it's semi auto versus semi auto now. HG rapes Preston.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Doesn't really matter, it's semi auto versus semi auto now. HG rapes Preston.
Not really, as she's not dodging dual shots, she can knock her head to one side, sure. She's no ****ing Agent Smith though. But the fight is closer now.
But hey, you grasp desperately to having Preston gimped, you need it.
Originally posted by Robtard
Not really, as she's not dodging dual shots, she can knock her head to one side, sure. She's no ****ing Agent Smith though. But the fight is closer now.But hey, you grasp desperately to having Preston gimped, you need it.
crylaugh You're an idiot. Just know that. Here you go with the "gimp" shit.
The fight is even now from the get go, you tard. Both with semi auto. You wanna discuss the fight with both of them having all their weapons/gadgets from the movies? Oh PLEASE say yes.
Preston shoots, HG dodges, HG caps his ass, credits roll as Banana Splits plays.
Indo story. 😮💨
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
crylaugh You're an idiot. Just know that. Here you go with the "gimp" shit.The fight is even now from the get go, you tard. Both with semi auto. You wanna discuss the fight with both of them having all their weapons/gadgets from the movies? Oh PLEASE say yes.
Preston shoots, HG dodges, HG caps his ass, credits roll as Banana Splits plays.
Indo story. 😮💨
Yeah, I'm the idiot. This is why the op said:
"Weapons: pistols that each had during each of their own hallway shootout" -op
Preston's guns can go full auto, but now, they're reduced to semi-auto only. That's a gimp, now, after the fact; it's what you need though; there's a reason why "gimper" has been attributed to you time and time again. You childish moron.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, I'm the idiot. This is why the op said:"Weapons: pistols that each had during each of their own hallway shootout" -op
Preston's guns are full auto. But now, they're reduced to semi-auto. That's a gimp, now. You childish moron.
No, you're an idiot for accusing me of gimping. I did no such thing. I asked for clarification on the OP, that's all. Don't believe me? Ask six.
Preston having access to the full auto function on his pistols and HG having only semi auto......hmm.....pretty uneven playing field. If he has full auto, she should have access to all her shit. Grenades, the MP5, the works, this is how the thread should be, ALL of their equipment.
But, as Six said, he has only semi auto. HIS decision.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, you're an idiot for accusing me of gimping. I did no such thing. I asked for clarification on the OP, that's all. Don't believe me? Ask six.Preston having access to the full auto function on his pistols and HG having only semi auto......hmm.....pretty uneven playing field. If he has full auto, she should have access to all her shit. Grenades, the MP5, the works, this is how the thread should be, ALL of their equipment.
But, as Six said, he has only semi auto. HIS decision.
I didn't accuse you of doing the gimping, I said that you needed the gimp. Go back, read and pay attention more closely.
Reducing one opponent's gear after the fact so the other opponent has a chance is gimping; it's also pretty telling of who's better.
Edit: You know what, your shit attitude and willingness to drag these debates (which should be fun) into the mud, just so you can weasel a win for whomever happens to be your favorite grow tiring. So let me end this with a nice 'GO FVCK YOURSELF, YOU CLOWNISH CVNT."
Originally posted by Robtard
I didn't accuse you of doing the gimping, you childish moron. I said that you needed the gimp. Go back and read.Reducing one opponent's gear after the fact so the other opponent has a chance is gimping; it's also pretty telling of who's better.
Edit: You know that, your shit attitude and willingness to drag these debates (which should be fun) into the mud, just so you can weasel a win for whomever happens to be your favorite grow tiring. So let me end this with a nice 'GO **** YOURSELF, CLOWN."
So Preston has better guns, that's a no-brainer, that in itself is all the reason we need to give HG all her gear (if Preston can use full auto.) I'm all for giving Preston full auto and giving HG all her gear. Up to six. I was seriously hoping he'd go full gear for both of them.
My favorite? haermm PRESTON is my favorite, you twit. Just like McClane is my favorite over Riggs, and you pulled the same shit there, "Riggs is your fave, you want Riggs to win!!!!"
Fact: Preston is one of my top three or four ass kickers of all time. Ash, Preston, McClane, Riddick, top four. So pull your head outta your ass, wipe it clean, and gimmee a kiss.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well damn, if we go by what she had on her scene by scene, she uses her grenade. 🙄Doesn't really matter, it's semi auto versus semi auto now. HG rapes Preston.
No, not really, RJ. If you remember the scene, the thugs blasted that strobe to kingdom come, rendering it useless to her anyhow.
Originally posted by XanatosForeverAnd? That means she can't use it IF six were to give both combatants all their gear/weapons? That's not how it works.
No, not really, RJ. If you remember the scene, the thugs blasted that strobe to kingdom come, rendering it useless to her anyhow.
That's like me saying "No, Jango Fett can't use two blasters, he lost one on Kamino."
Originally posted by Robtard
But you're trying to downplay his abilities because they don't make sense in the real world. Which they don't have too.
The point is its pointless to debate with feats that are:
1. Illogical
2. Irrational
3. Impossible
You can't even analyze how the fight would go, all you would be able to say is SOMEHOW Preston avoids the bullets by just walking around, even though when faced with a hail of bullets it'd be impossible. Why I am so against this in particular is because the whole feat depends on others missing a very slow target. His abilities allow him to predict trajectories, not magically avoid them or induce an aura that makes people miss (if it was then I'd be all for it).
If the fight were to be visualized out in a movie, you say Preston would avoid hundreds of bullets, how would that look on screen? A group of elite (the ones I mentioned) all shoot in his general area, and the bullets somehow bend the other way? If it was anyone else doing the same thing they'd be dead, but insert "gun kata" and magically the bullets no longer follow the laws of physics.
Let me give another example. Lets say there was a movie Equilibrium 2, and Preston has a new technique called Ultimate Gun Kata, in this version he doesn't even need to move, and somehow hundreds of people don't hit him with while he kills every last one of them slowly. Would Preston then win in a battle here?
Btw, if you watch the final hallway firefight scene, none of the guards are actually shown shooting AT him (because they CAN'T show it), except for one or two and Preston does some flips to avoid them.
Originally posted by Placidity
The point is its pointless to debate with feats that are:1. Illogical
2. Irrational
3. ImpossibleYou can't even analyze how the fight would go, all you would be able to say is SOMEHOW Preston avoids the bullets by just walking around, even though when faced with a hail of bullets it'd be impossible. Why I am so against this in particular is because the whole feat depends on others missing a very slow target. His abilities allow him to predict trajectories, not magically avoid them or induce an aura that makes people miss (if it was then I'd be all for it).
If the fight were to be visualized out in a movie, you say Preston would avoid hundreds of bullets, how would that look on screen? A group of elite (the ones I mentioned) all shoot in his general area, and the bullets somehow bend the other way? If it was anyone else doing the same thing they'd be dead, but insert "gun kata" and magically the bullets no longer follow the laws of physics.
Let me give another example. Lets say there was a movie Equilibrium 2, and Preston has a new technique called Ultimate Gun Kata, in this version he doesn't even need to move, and somehow hundreds of people don't hit him with while he kills every last one of them slowly. Would Preston then win in a battle here?
Btw, if you watch the final hallway firefight scene, none of the guards are actually shown shooting AT him (because they CAN'T show it), except for one or two and Preston does some flips to avoid them.
Most powers in these threads fall under the 1) illogical 2) irrational and/or 3)impossible categories. I.E. Super-duper strength, moving so fast bullets seem slow, The Force, tanking a nuke etc. etc. etc.
No, I can give an opinion how this fight would go, using screen feats. Hit-Girl fires her guns at him; he avoids and returns fire by using his illogical-irrational-impossible skills/abilities, as displayed multiple times throughout the movie. Though imo, he'd fire first.
Some of the things Hit-Girl did where illogical-irrational-impossible, especially coming from a little girl. So I don't know why you're effectively trying to negate Preston's abilities on the grounds that they're not rational, logical or possible, while not applying the same rule to her.
Originally posted by Robtard
Most powers in these threads fall under the 1) illogical 2) irrational and/or 3)impossible categories. I.E. Super-duper strength, moving so fast bullets seem slow, The Force, tanking a nuke etc. etc. etc.
No, the ones you listed do not fall under all three categories, in fact they don't fall into any.
- Super Duper Strength: Theres nothing illogical about this. Also, impossible as in logically impossible, which this isn't.
- The Force: Again, not illogical, its a concept I can grasp.
- Tanking a nuke: A character with high durability surviving one, what doesn't make sense here?
You listed powers, I'm not doubting Preston's abilities to predict trajectories, I'm making claims against the FEATS.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, I can give an opinion how this fight would go, using screen feats. Hit-Girl fires her guns at him; he avoids and returns fire by using his illogical-irrational-impossible skills/abilities, as displayed multiple times throughout the movie. Though imo, he'd fire first.
Explain how he dodges a hail of bullets that are all being fired in his general direction, so that wherever he moved he would get shot. The movie never shows a hail of bullets being fired in his direction at him.
For a Jedi, he sees where the bullet will be in his precog, and he moves his saber to intercept it.
Flash would see the bullet in slow motion and move out of the way fast enough.
Spiderman will be alerted by his spider-sense and leap out of the way.
Preston will predict where the bullets will go, but theres nowhere he can walk to that he won't get hit. Thats how the fight would go.
What you are saying is that he will SOMEHOW avoid them, yet you would not be able to explain it because the feat isn't logical in the first place.
Originally posted by Robtard
Some of the things Hit-Girl did where illogical-irrational-impossible, especially coming from a little girl. So I don't know why you're effectively trying to negate Preston's abilities on the grounds that they're not rational, logical or possible, while not applying the same rule to her.
Whats illogical-irrational-impossible about her FEATS? Remember I'm saying the FEATS don't make sense, not the powers or character. She actively tries to dodge the bullets by running and maneuvering. If she just walked around slowly, then yea I would apply the same thing to her.
Originally posted by Placidity
No, the ones you listed do not fall under all three categories, in fact they don't fall into any.- Super Duper Strength: Theres nothing illogical about this. Also, impossible as in logically impossible, which this isn't.
- The Force: Again, not illogical, its a concept I can grasp.
- Tanking a nuke: A character with high durability surviving one, what doesn't make sense here?
You listed powers, I'm not doubting Preston's abilities to predict trajectories, I'm making claims against the FEATS.
Explain how he dodges a hail of bullets that are all being fired in his general direction, so that wherever he moved he would get shot. The movie never shows a hail of bullets being fired in his direction at him.
For a Jedi, he sees where the bullet will be in his precog, and he moves his saber to intercept it.
Flash would see the bullet in slow motion and move out of the way fast enough.
Spiderman will be alerted by his spider-sense and leap out of the way.
Preston will predict where the bullets will go, but theres nowhere he can walk to that he won't get hit. Thats how the fight would go.
What you are saying is that he will SOMEHOW avoid them, yet you would not be able to explain it because the feat isn't logical in the first place.
Whats illogical-irrational-impossible about her FEATS? Remember I'm saying the FEATS don't make sense, not the powers or character. She actively tries to dodge the bullets by running and maneuvering. If she just walked around slowly, then yea I would apply the same thing to her.
Dude, come on. Superman lifting a continent is okay to you, but another character having the ability to avoid multiple gun-fire isn't?
Besides saying it's fiction and doesn't have to cater to the real world; that's why it's acceptable, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I really have no other way to explain than I've tried in past several post.
A 10-11 year old girl doing what she did is illogical, irrational and borders on the impossible, if not outright impossible. Let's be honest, no one in real-life is running down a small hallway while being fired on by multiple opponents and flipping, dodging, spinning; all while killing and not getting hit.
Edit: Maybe read the gunkata description, that might answer your question.
Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, come on. Superman lifting a continent is okay to you, but another character having the ability to avoid gun-fire isn't?Besides saying it's fiction; that's why it's acceptable, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
A 10-11 year old girl doing what she did is illogical, irrational and borders on the impossible. Let's be honest.
I don't think you get what "logic" is. All of those are logically sound.
Someone just walking around while more then 20 trained men SUPPOSEDLY firing fully automatics AT him (although never shown on film) while somehow missing is NOT.
It's like having a round square.
Originally posted by Robtard
character having the ability to avoid gun-fire isn't?
It's how he does it.
I've already used examples of a Jedi, Flash, and Spider-man how they would use their abilities to dodge it.
Preston doesn't have an ability to avoid gunfire, he has an ability to predict trajectories and he TRIES to move out of the way. Big difference.
Superman uses his super strength and flight to lift a continent.
Again, how exactly does Preston avoid bullets in my scenario, where hundreds of bullets are fired in his area so that wherever he walked to, he'd get hit?
Never in a debate has "somehow, or he just does" been an acceptable answer (relating to a FEAT performed).
Also, I'd like a response to my Ultimate Gun Kata example.
So lifting a continent is logical, if you have fictional super-duper strength. But avoiding bullets due to some fictional martial-arts ability isn't? Okay.
Again, Preston isn't "just walking around", he's moving/positioning his body in specific positions based on the positions and movements of his opponents. Watch the clips, he's never just casually walking in a straight line and bullets just miss him. Your premise is faulty.
Incorrect, he does have the ability to avoid gun-fire due to his training, he's simply not in the line of fire, at any time. As seen.
You want me to respond to a set of powers Preston never had/displayed and that you made up? Seems kinda pointless, no?
BTW:
Originally posted by Robtard
So lifting a continent is logical, if you have fictional super-duper strength. But avoiding bullets due to some fictional martial-arts ability isn't? Okay.Again, Preston isn't "just walking around", he's moving/positioning his body in specific positions based on the positions and movements of his opponents. Watch the clips, he's never just casually walking in a straight line and bullets just miss him. Your premise is faulty.
Incorrect, he does have the ability to avoid gun-fire due to his training, he's simply not in the line of fire, at any time. As seen.
You want me to respond to a set of powers Preston never had/displayed and that you made up? Seems kinda pointless, no?
Yes of course lifting a continent by someone with super strength and flight is logical. How is it not?
How does it matter that Preston doesn't have the ability I made up in my example? You can still answer it just the same. Both defy logic, so its the same, except one more so then the other.
Logic
1. Person has super strength and flight
2. Person lifts extremely heavy object
= Logic Pass
1. Person can Predict Bullet Trajectories
2. Person caught in a hail of bullets where he'd be hit no matter where he moved to.
3. All bullets miss him.
= Logic Fail
My premise isn't faulty, you have not yet been able to answer my question:
Again, how exactly does Preston avoid bullets in my scenario, where hundreds of bullets are fired in his area so that wherever he moved to, he'd get hit?
Lets get this out of the way, before we move on.