Hit Girl (kick ass) vs. John Preston (Equilibrium)

Originally posted by Placidity
Yes of course lifting a continent by someone with super strength and flight is logical. How is it not?

How does it matter that Preston doesn't have the ability I made up in my example? You can still answer it just the same. Both defy logic, so its the same, except one more so then the other.

Logic

1. Person has super strength and flight
2. Person lifts extremely heavy object
= Logic Pass

1. Person can Predict Bullet Trajectories
2. Person caught in a hail of bullets where he'd be hit no matter where he moved to.
3. All bullets miss him.
= Logic Fail

My premise isn't faulty, you have not yet been able to answer my question:

Lets get this out of the way, before we move on.

Your premise is faulty, you're saying that bullets just miss Preston while he's just walking around. This isn't what he does; isn't what was shown in the film. So why argue for or against something that didn't happen?

Again, you've made up an ability, applied it to Preston and catered a scenario. What does this have to do with his actual abilities stated and displayed? Nothing.

BTW, "screen-feats" is one of the guiding rules in here. So even if Preston just walked in a straight line and bullets missed him, it would count. Though as stated, this isn't an actual ability of his.

Originally posted by Robtard

Again, you've made up an ability, applied it to Preston and catered a scenario. What does this have to do with his actual abilities stated and displayed? Nothing.

Its to make a point.

Originally posted by Robtard
Your premise is faulty, you're saying that bullets just miss Preston while he's just walking around. This isn't what he does; isn't what was shown in the film.

1. Person can Predict Bullet Trajectories
2. Person caught in a hail of bullets where he'd be hit no matter where he moved to.
3. All bullets miss him.
= Logic Fail

Nowhere is walking around mentioned in this situation used to prove that his feats are illogical.

Lets get this out of the way, before we move on. In the following scenario, I did not mention him walking around, you can explain it however you like.

My premise isn't faulty, you have not yet been able to answer my question:

Again, how exactly does Preston avoid bullets in my scenario, where hundreds of bullets are fired in his area so that wherever he moved to, he'd get hit?

Originally posted by Placidity
Its to make a point.

Lets get this out of the way, before we move on. In the following scenario, I did not mention him walking around, you can explain it however you like.

The point is?

But sure, I'll play if you insist:

-His gunkata pulls him through, he constantly positions himself to not get hit while killing people fast enough so he doesn't get overwhelmed, as explained and shown in the film.

or

-Your catered scenario overwhelms his gunkata; he get's hit and dies.

Originally posted by Robtard
What point?

But sure, I'll play if you insist:

-His gunkata pulls him through, he constantly positions himself to not get hit while killing people fast enough so he doesn't get overwhelmed, as explained and shown in the film.

Thats not even an answer, I said the bullets will hit him his immediate area, so how does his gunkata "pull him through"? Thats just another "somehow" answer. Of course I'm not expecting anything more because it's impossible, but you can't seem to admit it.

Also, Preston was never shown doing any of that (its impossible to show something that is impossible and illogical). The majority of the time, they weren't all shooting at him. There were one or two instances when they (one or two guys) were and he did some flips to avoid it. Lets not mention while he is in the air he cant reposition himself (don't debate this please, its just a side comment).

Originally posted by Robtard

-Your catered scenario overwhlems his gunkata and he get's hit and dies.

Not catered at all, thats exactly what would happen in any firefight if people were aiming at him.

I think I've made my point, people are using an illogical and impossible feat in a debate of logic (thats what debating is). No logical or objective outcome will result from it. I'm surprised no one can see this (yes I know, I just don't "get it" 🙂 ).

Okay, I'm done.

LoL, dude. You're funny.

Actually, I did say gunkata would be impossible in the real world when you began this nonsense. But as I said, bringing in the real world into a fight with fictional powers in pointless.

Stating "the bullets will hit Preston" as a start is a catered scenario. How can he use his fictional abilities, when you've just declared and made a rule of "they don't work." It's pointless.

No different than me saying: "Superman can't lift a continent in this scenario" and then insist you answer me on how Superman is to lift the continent; followed by arbitarily declaring some valid point was made when you can't answer inside the confines of my catered rules.

Originally posted by Robtard
If you have to gimp Preston now, then it's even more evident that he would win.

Gimp? No. Not really. That is, if he's as good as u say he is. Does his skills really decrease THAT much without auto?

Originally posted by six6six
Gimp? No. Not really. That is, if he's as good as u say he is. Does his skills really decrease THAT much without auto?

Decreasing an opponent after the fact is a gimp.

Originally posted by six6six
Gimp? No. Not really. That is, if he's as good as u say he is. Does his skills really decrease THAT much without auto?

Aaaaaaaahahahahaaa THAT'S funny!!! Dude, give Preston and HG all their gear, make it a stalking battle leading to a gunfight in a semilit warehouse at night ✅ Dew eet!!! 😱

Originally posted by Placidity
Lets say there was a movie Equilibrium 2, and Preston has a new technique called Ultimate Gun Kata

Originally posted by Robtard
Decreasing an opponent after the fact is a gimp.

It was a clarification

Originally posted by six6six
It was a clarification

Originally posted by six6six
It was a clarification

So you're saying you made the thread intending that Preston's guns are only semi-auto but forgot to specify? Come on now.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Mhm, he knows. Not the first time he's done this.

I'm only going to tell you this one more time, so do listen: If you try and troll me again, don't bother ever asking me for shit again or PMing me.

You're well aware that he didn't intend Preston to have lesser weapons than shown and just forgot to say so in the OP. You're clinging onto it now, because you weasel debates as a method.

Originally posted by Robtard
I'm only going to tell you this one more time, so do listen: If you try and troll me again, don't bother ever asking me for shit again or PMing me.

You're well aware that he didn't intend Preston to have lesser weapons than shown and just forgot to say so in the OP. You're clinging onto it now, because you weasel debates as a method.

The Hogwarts/501st thread was lacking details in the OP, so I pm'd the thread starter and asked him to clarify. You cried that I was gimping. You literally said "RJ cried to the thread starter and convinced him to gimp the 501st."

The OP was a bit lacking here, I pm'd six for clarification, and you did it again, you cried gimp.

I'm not trolling you, I'm just stating what happened now, and what happened before. I'm not weaseling anything, you're getting all upset about a bullshit MVF thread. Seriously, look at what you're getting upset about. "GO **** YOURSELF, RJ", nice form, dude. 👇

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well it's not, dude.

The Hogwarts/501st thread was lacking details in the OP, so I pm'd the thread starter and asked him to clarify. You cried that I was gimping. You literally said "RJ cried to the thread starter and convinced him to gimp the 501st."

The OP was a bit lacking here, I pm'd six for clarification, and you did it again, you cried gimp.

I'm not trolling you, I'm just stating what happened now, and what happened before. I'm not weaseling anything, you're getting all upset about a bullshit MVF thread. Seriously, look at what you're getting upset about. "GO **** YOURSELF, RJ", nice form, dude. 👇

Dude, why in the hell would you PM the thread starter about their guns, when we see exactly what their guns are in the film and he specificaly stated which scenes the guns were from.

If it was Preston with his sword Vs Hit-Girl with her glaive. Would you PM asking "How sharp is Preston's sword." No you wouldn't.

Most likely, you PM'd him and asked to have Preston lowered/gimped.

Hahahaha, classic RJ move. Your bullshit got countered over and over and you called me an "idiot" as a result/all you had left, it wasn't until then that I told you to **** off. Don't sling insults, if you can't take them back.

Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, why in the hell would you PM the thread starter about their guns, when we see exactly what their guns are in the film.

If it was Preston with his sword Vs Hit-Girl with her glaive. Would you PM asking "How sharp is Preston's sword." No you wouldn't.

Most likely, you PM'd him and asked to have Preston lowered/gimped.

Hahahaha, classic RJ move. Your bullshit got countered over and over and you called me an "idiot" as a result, it wasn't until then that I told you to **** off. Don't sling insults, if you can't take them back.

I pm'd the thread starter about the OP lacking details in general. I asked him to give them full gear. Luckily for you and the Preston crowd he hasn't.

You've countered shit. All you've done is ignore every fact and every shred of evidence I presented that points to a HG win here.

And yeah, anytime you cry gimp when the OP is clarified, I'm gonna call you an idiot.

BTW, talking about a blade battle, HG still wins. I got a buttload of feats that prove this. Feats that I forgot about, that I remembered upon watching Kick Ass today. ✅ Feats that you will no doubt ignore. 🙄

Gun battle, as per the clarified OP? HG gives it to Preston in his butt.

Full gear, HG curbstomps.

Blade battle, HG wins.

H2H, Preston wins.

Originally posted by Robtard
Hit-Girl couldn't handle a mediocre martial artist, and got her ass kicked. So H2H, Preston stomps her.

While she dodged one bullet from a goon, she's not dodging twin automatics from a guy who has perfect aim and can literally avoid multiple machine gun fire while firing back himself. So guns, Preston drops her in a second, or two.

Blade fight. No contest, Preston. She killed goons, druggies, whores and idiots, he killed trained soldiers and other Clerics.

Can't believe this Hit-Girl masturbation is still going on.

👆

she wasn't THAT impressive, imo. good, but not preston level.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Its ****ing garbage that some people actually think she can beat people like Batman.

😂 i remember that.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I pm'd the thread starter about the OP lacking details in general. I asked him to give them full gear. Luckily for you and the Preston crowd he hasn't.

You've countered shit. All you've done is ignore every fact and every shred of evidence I presented that points to a HG win here.

And yeah, anytime you cry gimp when the OP is clarified, I'm gonna call you an idiot.

BTW, talking about a blade battle, HG still wins. I got a buttload of feats that prove this. Feats that I forgot about, that I remembered upon watching Kick Ass today. ✅ Feats that you will no doubt ignore. 🙄

Gun battle, as per the clarified OP? HG gives it to Preston in his butt.

Full gear, HG curbstomps.

Blade battle, HG wins.

H2H, Preston wins.

What did it lack? Their weapons were specified as was the setting, OP was clear and workable.

Hahaha. No. Your arguments failed from the start, it's why to tried to bring in other gear and jumped on gimps later on. If your arguments held water from the start, you wouldn't have needed to try this. This is a fact.

Giving Preston a lower weapon he didn't have after the fact is a gimp; only an idiot wouldn't see this. No different than if he later said "Hit-Girl's guns can't shoot straight", after the fact.

Well, you've fully invested yourself into having Hit-Girl win, so you'd argue anything in her favor against Preston now, just what you do.

Preston took out 8 other clerics with his sword and then Tagg Diggs with the epic face-cut-off scene, Hit-Girl fought crack-heads and thugs with her blades. So sure, whatever you say. But this isn't the thread for it.

Originally posted by Robtard
What did it lack? Their weapons were specified as was the setting, OP was clear and workable.

Originally posted by six6six
Gimp? No. Not really. That is, if he's as good as u say he is. Does his skills really decrease THAT much without auto?

Hahaha. No. Your arguments failed from the start, it's why to tried to bring in other gear and gimps later on. If your arguments held water from the start, you wouldn't have needed to try this. This is a fact.

Giving Preston a lower weapon he didn't have after the fact is a gimp; only an idiot wouldn't see this. No different than if he later said "Hit-Girl's guns can't shoot straight", after the fact.

Well, you've fully invested yourself into having Hit-Girl win, so you'd argue anything in her favor against Preston now, just what you do.

Preston took out 8 other clerics and then Tagg Diggs with the epic face-cut-off scene, Hit-Girl fought crack-heads and thugs with her blades. But sure, whatever you say. But this isn't the thread for it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Twin automatics versus twin semi automatics........Not seeing the level playing field. Seems like six hit the nail on the head with the quote below:

Aaaaaaaahahaahahhaaa what a crock, Gun Kata is useless against HG, I've proven it and you don't like it.

You seem to have the need to have your favorite combatant here handed an unfair advantage. And when said advantage is buried (Blasters/lightsabers not working around Hogwarts), you get a soppy vagina and cry gimp. You're a funny guy, Tommy.

Nah, Preston is my fave character out of the two, just ask DDM.

More to it than that, playa.

Hahaha, no. It's a gimp, simple as that, especially considering it was done later on into the thread.

If you proved it, you wouldn't have needed to try and add to the thread later in. It's that simple.

So having Preston have the guns he's shown in the film and as were specified in the OP is giving him an "unfair advantage"? Sad maneuver, RJ.

Considering you're still bringing up the Hogwarts thread after what, a year or so? I think you need the ass-cream, inmate.

Originally posted by Robtard
Hahaha, no. It's a gimp, simple as that, especially considering it was done later on into the thread.

So having Preston have the guns he's shown in the film and as were specified in the OP is giving him an "unfair advantage"? Sad maneuver, RJ.

Considering you're still bringing up the Hogwarts thread after what, a year or so? I think you need the ass-cream, inmate.

Hey, I'm just pointing out a pattern with you. Gimp gimp gimp!!! You always cry gimp when things are made clear. Hogwarts simply came to mind, you've done it in other threads too. It's your MO.

A true test of who is better out of HG and Preston is putting them on neutral ground with equal weaponry. Allowing Preston full auto on his guns gives him an unfair advantage, the thread then becomes "Hit Girl's pistols versus John Preston's pistols", not "Hit Girl versus John Preston."

Now, let's discuss the blade battle, yeah? You ready for this shit?