LoL, fail. Just stop, RJ.
BTW, she wasn't "all over the place", just another example of you seeing what you want to; not what really happened. She basically ran down the hallway, jumped on the shelving once and did a couple of spins. Oh no, Preston can't cope with that, he's only coped with 20+ machine-guns firing at him all at the same time.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Stationary gunmen, dude. Slow movers.Try again, try harder.
Except no.
But if you insist on this BS angle, she can only hit stationary gunmen and slow movers too. As that's all she did.
And no, Preston isn't a stationary gunman or slow mover, as this will likely be your next angle of BS.
Originally posted by RobtardNo, see, like steve, my point went right over your head.
Except no.But if you insist on this BS angle, she can only hit stationary gunmen and slow movers too. As that's all she did.
And no, Preston isn't a stationary gunman or slow mover, as this will likely be your next angle of BS.
Not supposed to repeat myself, but obviously missed it, here:
It's not important whether or not her opponents moved. He fighting style does not rely on the same things that Gun Kata does. In the movie Equilibrium, every opponent who Preston was shown using Gun Kata effectively on, was either standing still or in the same general spot. AND they were all slow as shit.
Hit Girl is fast as hell and will be all over the place.
The opponents Preston employed Gun Kata on with impressive results were either:
A: Standing still
or
B: Moving slowly
I am challenging you, right here, right now, to name a time when Preston used Gun Kata with effectiveness against someone as fast and as agile as HG.
No?
K.
There isn't one. THAT'S Preston's high end Gun Kata feat, against men who were standing still, or who were moving maybe a little bit, and slowly to boot. It's right there in his movie, accept it.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I am challenging you, right here, right now, to name a time when Preston used Gun Kata with effectiveness against someone as fast and as agile as HG.No?
K.
And like I said previously, I do love when you try these bottom of the barrel scraping maneuvers.
Counter: I am challenging you, right here, right now, to name a time when Hit-Girl used her skills with effectiveness against someone as fast and as agile as Preston.
No?
K.
Going by feats, he has everything above her.
Originally posted by Robtard
And like I said previously, I do love when you try these bottom of the barrel scraping maneuvers.Counter: I am challenging you, right here, right now, to name a time when Hit-Girl used her skills with effectiveness against someone as fast and as agile as Preston.
No?
K.
Going by feats, he has everything above her.
You're dodging haermm The answer to the question I asked is everything, it closes the thread and nullifies Preston's Gun Kata. You know this, so you aren't answering.
Where does that leave us? I'll tell ya:
1. HG dodges bullets, Preston does not.
2. Preston's Gun Kata (his main weapon) is nullified, rendering him just another guy with a gun.
Going by feats, he most certainly does not, see 1 and 2 above. 😄
Preston never had to dodge because he was too fast for any of those guys to even fire at him, Prestons gonna fire too quick for HG to dodge and his weapon is an automatic...I don't remember HG having to dodge any of those in the movie. If she was bullet dodger she wouldn't have had to hide behind the kitchen worktop. She could have easily grabbed those butcher knives and started using them whilst dodging bullets. And she had her grappling hook...thingy...she coulda used to that to her advantage....pretty sure dead guys on the floor had ammo in their guns...coulda grabbed one of those guns and used them. But no...she did none of that, she hid behind a worktop. It does matter that HG never hit a moving target because it's not likely that if HG was shooting at him that Preston is just gonna be standing still.
But he's not just another guy with a gun, I've read what you've said and I'm saying that HG never took on a fast shooter like Preston nor did she shoot a moving target. HG is fast yes but so is preston, he's got an automatic handgun, HG never dodged an automatic. He'll shoot HG before she can even move or take a shot.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Little girl? haermmAverage cop? crylaugh
No. Preston killed cops. Those guys in black were just cops. I argued once that they were clerics and I got pwned. I think it was Rob who pwned me.
Just cops, not clerics. If they were clerics, why didn't they do gun kata? Hmm?
Thought so.
What? Bid Daddy WAS nothing but an average cop. Ok, yeah, he was able to act as a thorn in the side of a drug dealer but that's only because he had no regard for the law. I mean, maybe if he didn't get outsmarted by a teenager or burned to death...,i might give him more credit. The only thing he did was sneak up on street level thugs and kill them with shotguns.
Hit-girl.., a bad ass yeah, but still a little girl that got leveled by a round house kick from a middle aged man. That dude, rocked her little pig-tailed world and would have killed her if it weren't for kick ass.
Ok, maybe Preston killed, mostly, cops through out the movie but he never struggled and did it all effortlessly and his big show was him killing a master cleric as though he was a training dummy.
I still agree though, Gun Kata doesn't automatically equal an instant kill. I think, Gun Kata is highly overrated.
Originally posted by steverules_2
But he's not just another guy with a gun, I've read what you've said and I'm saying that HG never took on a fast shooter like Preston nor did she shoot a moving target. HG is fast yes but so is preston, he's got an automatic handgun, HG never dodged an automatic. He'll shoot HG before she can even move or take a shot.
You're not getting it. facepalm
Ah, so Preston is allowed to use the full automatic function on his pistols? So HG has semi auto, Preston has full auto. Gimp much?
Pretty sure the thread starter will agree that in order to keep it even, Preston can only use semi auto.
That, or he should allow full gear for HG, everything she had in her backpack.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNxDownplaying Big Daddy? You must die!!!
What? Bid Daddy WAS nothing but an average cop. Ok, yeah, he was able to act as a thorn in the side of a drug dealer but that's only because he had no regard for the law. I mean, maybe if he didn't get outsmarted by a teenager or burned to death...,i might give him more credit. The only thing he did was sneak up on street level thugs and kill them with shotguns.
I was referring to the remark earlier about McClane beinb an average cop, babe.
Hit-girl.., a bad ass yeah, but still a little girl that got leveled by a round house kick from a middle aged man. That dude, rocked her little pig-tailed world and would have killed her if it weren't for kick ass.I ask for the millionth time, what does this have to do with her gun skills?
Nothing.
Ok, maybe Preston killed, mostly, cops through out the movie but he never struggled and did it all effortlessly and his big show was him killing a master cleric as though he was a training dummy.Preston missed the one cop who moved as he shot, fact.
Preston had a bit of trouble with the poser at the end, fact.
I still agree though, Gun Kata doesn't automatically equal an instant kill. I think, Gun Kata is highly overrated.Gun Kata is incredibly effective in Prestons world, where idiots stand in one spot and shoot away.
Also, the OP needs clarification.
Originally posted by six6six
In a hallway shootout, who would win?Weapons: pistols that each had during each of their own hallway shootout
Equal amount of ammo
Where do they fight? Night or day? Well lit environment?
And also, what I just said:
Pretty sure the thread starter will agree that in order to keep it even, Preston can only use semi auto.
That, or he should allow full gear for HG, everything she had in her backpack.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Gun Kata is incredibly effective in Prestons world, where idiots stand in one spot and shoot away.
I have to agree with this though. Gun Kata only works in the Equilibrium Universe. The concept just doesn't make any sense to me, so its hard to debate with it. Even the scenes where he waltzes around while everyone misses looked ridiculous to me.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You're dodging haermm The answer to the question I asked is everything, it closes the thread and nullifies Preston's Gun Kata. You know this, so you aren't answering.Where does that leave us? I'll tell ya:
1. HG dodges bullets, Preston does not.
2. Preston's Gun Kata (his main weapon) is nullified, rendering him just another guy with a gun.
Going by feats, he most certainly does not, see 1 and 2 above. 😄
No, you're asking a stupid question that is irrelevant, so I',m returning the exact same question to you.
Okay, I can play again:
1. Preston avoids hundreds if not thousands of rounds all coming at him as the same time and can return fire while doing so, Hit-Girl does not.
2. Hit-Girl's ability to dodge one bullet at a time is nullified by Preston's guns and skills.
Going by screen feats, he's far more lethal and better able to protect himself from gun-fire. See 1 and 2 above.
Originally posted by Placidity
I have to agree with this though. Gun Kata only works in the Equilibrium Universe. The concept just doesn't make any sense to me, so its hard to debate with it. Even the scenes where he waltzes around while everyone misses looked ridiculous to me.
That's a stupid premise to dismiss abilities feats, it's fiction.
By that same account someone can say "Spider-man's webbing is only super-strong in his universe. Also, his Spider-sense is lame, so it doesn't work in 'this' Vs fight.'
Originally posted by Robtard
That's a stupid premise to dismiss abilities feats, it's fiction.By that same account someone can say "Spider-man's webbing is only super-strong in his universe. Also, his Spider-sense is lame, so it doesn't work in 'this' Vs fight.'
No, because the concept of it doesn't make sense.
Totally different comparison you have there.
Originally posted by Placidity
No, because the concept of it doesn't make sense.Totally different comparison you have there.
What doesn't it make sense? The man is trained to position himself to consistently avoid gunfire.
Not really, considering they're both fiction. Though gunkata makes more sense when applied to the real world than a man becoming like a spider with super-duper powers. Though both are absurd fiction.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, you're asking a stupid question that is irrelevant, so I',m returning the exact same question to you.Okay, I can play again:
1. Preston avoids hundreds if not thousands of rounds all coming at him as the same time and can return fire while doing so, Hit-Girl does not.
2. Hit-Girl's ability to dodge one bullet at a time is nullified by Preston's guns and skills.
Going by screen feats, he's far more lethal and better able to protect himself from gun-fire. See 1 and 2 above.
Still not getting it. no, I know you're getting it, you're just ignoring it.
First things first. This:
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Also, the OP needs clarification.Where do they fight? Night or day? Well lit environment?
And also, what I just said:
Pretty sure the thread starter will agree that in order to keep it even, Preston can only use semi auto.That, or he should allow full gear for HG, everything she had in her backpack.
This needs to be addressed before this debate goes any further.