Originally posted by Robtard
What doesn't it make sense? The man is trained to position himself to consistently avoid gunfire.Not really, considering they're both fiction. Though gunkata makes more sense when applied to the real world than a man becoming like a spider with super-duper powers. Though both are absurd fiction.
A person with super strength, speed and agility doing what he does in the film? Sure.
Someone who predicts where people will shoot fully automatic gunfire and just sidesteps out of the way and avoids bullets from tens of men shooting at him? Nope. For one thing, people could just spam the general area, and wherever he goes he would be shot. Thats generally how it works. Fortunately for him, it doesn't in his universe.
Gun Kata and the way it works is a concept. Spider-man gaining super powers is not. Theres also nothing wrong with transferring Spider-man into another universe for debating purposes.There is a problem with Gun Kata when debating with other deadshots. I mean could you imagine a team of Agent Smith, Agent Zero, etc shooting at him and he just sidesteps his way to a win?
Given such mutations can occur, Spider-man could exist no problem.
Given people can develop such reflexes and predictive ability, Preston would still get shot if he pulled that crap in real life.
Originally posted by PlacidityTHIS is what I am asking them. THIS is what they are dodging. ALL of the men who Preston WTF pwns with Gun Kata are either standing still or moving sluggishly, maybe a foot or two this way or that. HG is gonna be flipping, sliding, clinging to walls, BULLET DODGING, she's gonna be like Yoda, no way in hell Gun Kata works on her. Not a chance in hell.
I mean could you imagine a team of Agent Smith, Agent Zero, etc shooting at him and he just sidesteps his way to a win?
Their defense? "Hey, has Hit Girl ever faced a Gun Kata master?"
Hit girl>>>>>gun Kata.
Originally posted by Mairuzu
Come on, this is just unfair. Preston wins and there really shouldn't be an argument about it.If you wanna spend this much time debating over it, a better battle would be between hit girl and Wesley.
Wesley rapes her. Bullet bending and shooting bullets out of the air>>>>>bullet dodging.
Originally posted by Placidity
A person with super strength, speed and agility doing what he does in the film? Sure.Someone who predicts where people will shoot fully automatic gunfire and just sidesteps out of the way and avoids bullets from tens of men shooting at him? Nope. For one thing, people could just spam the general area, and wherever he goes he would be shot. Thats generally how it works. Fortunately for him, it doesn't in his universe.
Gun Kata and the way it works is a concept. Spider-man gaining super powers is not. Theres also nothing wrong with transferring Spider-man into another universe for debating purposes.There is a problem with Gun Kata when debating with other deadshots. I mean could you imagine a team of Agent Smith, Agent Zero, etc shooting at him and he just sidesteps his way to a win?
Given such mutations can occur, Spider-man could exist no problem.
Given people can develop such reflexes and predictive ability, Preston would still get shot if he pulled that crap in real life.
No, Spider-Man could not exist in real life. Being strong enough to stop a train, shooting webbing out of your wrist and Spider-Sense, all fiction and out of the realms of reality.
Just as Preston's feats are fiction.
Really, this "it's not plausible so it doesn't count" in a fictional Movie Vs thread is just a silly argument. You know that.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
THIS is what I am asking them. THIS is what they are dodging. ALL of the men who Preston WTF pwns with Gun Kata are either standing still or moving sluggishly, maybe a foot or two this way or that. HG is gonna be flipping, sliding, clinging to walls, BULLET DODGING, she's gonna be like Yoda, no way in hell Gun Kata works on her. Not a chance in hell.Their defense? "Hey, has Hit Girl ever faced a Gun Kata master?"
Hit girl>>>>>gun Kata.
When Agent Smith and Agent Zero fire bullets, do they fly straight?
If so, Preston can avoid those.
Talk about scrapping the lowest of lowest pig-shit to weasel a win. Sad, even for you RJ.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, Spider-Man could not exist in real life. Being strong enough to stop a train, shooting webbing out of your wrist and Spider-Sense, all fiction and out of the realms of reality.Just as Preston's feats are fiction.
Really, this "it's not plausible so it doesn't count" in a fictional Movie Vs thread is just a silly argument. You know that.
Um, did you not read what I said, or are you just ignoring it?
I said, GIVEN SUCH MUTATIONS CAN OCCUR, Spider-man could exist.
GIVEN PEOPLE CAN DEVELOP SUCH REFLEXES AND PREDICTIVE ABILITY, Preston would still get shot if he pulled that crap in real life.
Seems pretty clear I'm not using the "plausibility argument".
Originally posted by Robtard
When Agent Smith and Agent Zero fire bullets, do they fly straight?If so, Preston can avoid those.
Talk about scrapping the lowest of lowest pig-shit to weasel a win. Sad, even for you RJ.
haermm I'll answer for you.
No, Preston has never faced someone who can move as fast and is as agile as Hit Girl, and can dodge bullets. Preston relies on Gun Kata, which hinges on a shooters position. Hit girl relies on nothing more than her own badassery.
Screen feats: Everyone Preston faces in Equilibrium either shoots while standing still, or move like sloths, a foot this way or that. THIS is the high end feat of Gun Kata.
What does that mean? It means that when Hit girl stars flipping around like Yoda and dodging Prestons bullets, his Gun Kata will be useless.
See how that works, Rob? I used screen feats, posted evidence, and proved that HG wins here.
Originally posted by Placidity
Um, did you not read what I said, or are you just ignoring it?I said, GIVEN SUCH MUTATIONS CAN OCCUR, Spider-man could exist.
GIVEN PEOPLE CAN DEVELOP SUCH REFLEXES AND PREDICTIVE ABILITY, Preston would still get shot if he pulled that crap in real life.
Seems pretty clear I'm not using the "plausibility argument".
Considering such mutations can't occur, it's fiction, Just as the other character.
Originally posted by Robtard
When Agent Smith and Agent Zero fire bullets, do they fly straight?If so, Preston can avoid those.
Hang on,
If I made a thread like:
Agent Smith, Agent Zero, Agent 47, Jason Bourne and Robocop Vs. Preston
- Fire Fight only
- Pistols only
You'd vote for Preston? They'd all miss him while he waltzes around?
Originally posted by Robtard
Considering such mutations can't occur, it's fiction, Just as the other character.
No, that'd would be a "plausibility argument" you mentioned.
I'm saying, assuming (i.e "Given"😉 they get their abilities, or assuming those mutations occur etc (Repeat: I am not arguing whether Spiderman or Preston can have those abilities in real life), Spiderman would be able to do exactly what he does in the movies. Preston even with predictive abilities, would get shot. I don't get whats hard to understand with what I'm saying.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
haermm I'll answer for you.No, Preston has never faced someone who can move as fast and is as agile as Hit Girl, and can dodge bullets. Preston relies on Gun Kata, which hinges on a shooters position. Hit girl relies on nothing more than her own badassery.
Screen feats: Everyone Preston faces in Equilibrium either shoots while standing still, or move like sloths, a foot this way or that. THIS is the high end feat of Gun Kata.
What does that mean? It means that when Hit girl stars flipping around like Yoda and dodging Prestons bullets, his Gun Kata will be useless.
See how that works, Rob? I used screen feats, posted evidence, and proved that HG wins here.
LoL, fail. Let me guess, the thugs, meth-heads and whores Hit-Girl faced where all moving around like ninjas, right?
Um, no. Hit-Girl isn't "flipping around like Yoda", not even close. Get yor hand out of her skirt.
RJ's method of debate:
1)Ignore screen feats.
2)Make the combatant he wants to win out to me more than they are.
3)Make the combatant he wants see lose out to be less than they are.
Originally posted by Placidity
No, that'd would be a "plausibility argument" you mentioned.I'm saying, assuming (i.e "Given"😉 they get their abilities, or assuming those mutations occur etc (Repeat: I am not arguing whether Spiderman or Preston can have those abilities in real life), Spiderman would be able to do exactly what he does in the movies. Preston even with predictive abilities, would get shot. I don't get whats hard to understand with what I'm saying.
Dude, it's fiction, trying to bring in "in real life" is a faulty argument.
Of course someone isn't avoiding multiple machine-gun fire in real life; I don't care how well trained they are. Still doesn't mean those fictional feats can't be applied here.
Originally posted by RobtardThis, this is where you go into "ignore" mode. This is where you ignore this:
LoL, fail. Let me guess, the thugs, meth-heads and whores Hit-Girl faced where all moving around like ninjas, right?
Screen feats: Everyone Preston faces in Equilibrium either shoots while standing still, or move like sloths, a foot this way or that. THIS is the high end feat of Gun Kata.
It literally ends the thread.
Um, no. Hit-Girl isn't "flipping around like Yoda", not even close.Figure of speech, numnuts.
RJ's method of debate:Hello pot!!!!1)Ignore screen feats.
2)Make the combatant he wants to win out to me more than they are.
3)Make the combatant he wants see lose out to be less than they are.
Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, it's fiction, trying to bring in "in real life" is a faulty argument.Of course someone isn't avoiding multiple machine-gun fire in real life; I don't care how well trained they are. Still doesn't mean those fictional feats can't be applied here.
No, I'm trying to point out the whole concept of Gun Kata is illogical and impossible EVEN if Preston can predict where people would shoot.
Even someone with precog and telepathy would get shot.
It only appears to work in the movie because of PIS, PIS which would not apply to another character in a debate. You can't expect other characters to behave like those people did.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
This, this is where you go into "ignore" mode. This is where you ignore this:Screen feats: Everyone Preston faces in Equilibrium either shoots while standing still, or move like sloths, a foot this way or that. THIS is the high end feat of Gun Kata.
It literally ends the thread.
Figure of speech, numnuts.
Hello pot!!!!
Ha, no.
This is your argument: "Preston can't avoid Hit-Girls bullets, cuz".
Despite him repeatedly showing the ability to avoid hundreds if not thousands of rounds coming at him at the same time.
Originally posted by Placidity
No, I'm trying to point out the whole concept of Gun Kata is illogical and impossible EVEN if Preston can predict where people would shoot.Even someone with precog and telepathy would get shot.
It only appears to work in the movie because of PIS, PIS which would not apply to another character in a debate. You can't expect other characters to behave like those people did.
Bro, it's fiction, doesn't matter if it's logical or possible.
Lots of things character's do here rely on PIS.
Originally posted by Robtard
Bro, it's fiction, doesn't matter if it's logical or possible.Lots of things character's do here rely on PIS.
Of course it matters, people (e.g Hitgirl) aren't going to behave like the other people do in his universe.
Characters may rely on PIS, but not their abilities.
His abilities relies on PIS and other people having little to no aim at all. What you are saying is because its Preston, anyone he is facing has to have bad aim too. Sounds fair?
Originally posted by Robtard
Ha, no.This is your argument: "Preston can't avoid Hit-Girls bullets, cuz".
Despite him repeatedly showing the ability to avoid hundreds if not thousands of rounds coming at him at the same time.
Yes, cuz.........Preston was only showing using Gun Kata to avoid gunfire from stationary gunmen/slow moving gunmen. HG is a blur compared to them. She dodges bullets. Her entire approach to gunfighting will render his Gun Kata useless.
Screen feats: Everyone Preston faces in Equilibrium either shoots while standing still, or move like sloths, a foot this way or that. THIS is the high end feat of Gun Kata.
/thread, HG wins. You can't go saying Gun Kata can do something it is never shown doing.
I haven't even started on HG's stealth, shall I proceed?
Originally posted by Placidity
Of course it matters, people (e.g Hitgirl) aren't going to behave like the other people do in his universe.Characters may rely on PIS, but not their abilities.
His abilities relies on PIS and other people having little to no aim at all. What you are saying is because its Preston, anyone he is facing has to have bad aim too. Sounds fair?
There's the thing, the people in his universe don't have bad aim. as we seen many of those military police kill other people. His [fictional] abilities allow him to avoid bullets.