Hit Girl (kick ass) vs. John Preston (Equilibrium)

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yes, cuz.........Preston was only showing using Gun Kata to avoid gunfire from stationary gunmen/slow moving gunmen. HG is a blur compared to them. She dodges bullets. Her entire approach to gunfighting will render his Gun Kata useless.

Screen feats: Everyone Preston faces in Equilibrium either shoots while standing still, or move like sloths, a foot this way or that. THIS is the high end feat of Gun Kata.

/thread, HG wins. You can't go saying Gun Kata can do something it is never shown doing.

I haven't even started on HG's stealth, shall I proceed?

Good Lord, Hit-Girl isn't a "blur" compared to anyone else.

Except Preston does avoid bullets with ease, which is shown. A handful of bullets from Hit-Girl isn't harder to avoid than 20+ men firing machine-guns at the same time. The guy can obviously use his abiltity to constantly position himself out of harms way with extreme quickness.

Okay, start with "HG's stealth", it will be yet another fail from you. Go!

Originally posted by Robtard
There's the thing, the people in his universe don't have bad aim. as we seen many of those military police kill other people. His [fictional] abilities allow him to avoid bullets.

No, but they do have bad aim when they are shooting at him, otherwise, he would've been shot. Not saying he wouldn't get his uber training and ability to predict trajectories, its just that it wouldn't help much.

His Gun Kata feats depends on others being terrible.

Originally posted by Placidity
No, but they do have bad aim when they are shooting at him, otherwise, he would've been shot. Not saying he wouldn't get his uber training and ability to predict trajectories, its just that it wouldn't help much.

His Gun Kata feats depends on others being terrible.

No, it doesn't. Gunkata allows the user to constantly position himself out of harms way; Preston can do it with impossible-like ability, as he's the best of the Clerics. You know, fiction.

Edit: Thinking about it, bad aim would hinder gunkata, as Preston would position himself to avoid fire that would logically hit him. So you'd likely end up tagging him if your aim was pure shit.

Originally posted by Robtard
Good Lord, Hit-Girl isn't a "blur" compared to anyone else.

Except Preston does avoid bullets with ease, which is shown. A handful of bullets from Hit-Girl isn't harder to avoid than 20+ men firing machine-guns at the same time. The guy can obviously use his abiltity to constantly position himself out of harms way with extreme quickness.

Okay, start with "HG's stealth", it will be yet another fail from you. Go!

First, check this out:

YouTube video

Pretty cool stuff, yeah? Pay attention to what the man is saying from :08 to :20, and the datapad at :20.

See how Gun Kata is designed to take out multiple shooters, while the Cleric is surrounded? Stationary shooters?

See now how Preston relies on all of this to employ Gun Kata effectively?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
First, check this out:

Pretty cool stuff, yeah? Pay attention to what the man is saying from :08 to :20, and the datapad at :20.

See how Gun Kata is designed to take out multiple shooters, while the Cleric is surrounded? [b]Stationary shooters?

See now how Preston relies on all of this to employ Gun Kata effectively? [/B]

Then of course, there's all those people he killed that weren't "stationary shooters". /counter

Stil waiting for you to dazzle me with "HG's stealth".

Originally posted by Robtard
No, it doesn't. Gunkata allows the user to constantly position himself out of harms way; Preston can do it with impossible-like ability, as he's the best of the Clerics.

No, it relies on the shooters having bad aim/PIS, and you expect HG to miss.

Lets say its Agent Zero vs Preston. Agent Zero has NO PROBLEM hitting a target moving at walking speed. Explain how he would miss Preston if he just tries to sidestep out of the way?

You also did not reply to my question about Agent Smith, Zero, 47, Bourne, Robocop vs Preston before. If they all shot in his general direction, so that whenever he was within a one-step distance from his original position, he would get hit, then who would win?

Originally posted by Robtard

You know, fiction.

Don't mock me.

Originally posted by Robtard

Edit: Thinking about it, bad aim would hinder gunkata, as Preston would position himself to avoid fire that would logically hit him. So you'd likely end up tagging him if your aim was pure shit.

As opposed to hundreds of bullets being fired in his general area? They all somehow don't hit him?

Originally posted by Placidity
No, it relies on the shooters having bad aim/PIS, and you expect HG to miss.

Lets say its Agent Zero vs Preston. Agent Zero has NO PROBLEM hitting a target moving at walking speed. Explain how he would miss Preston if he just tries to sidestep out of the way?

You also did not reply to my question about Agent Smith, Zero, 47, Bourne, Robocop vs Preston before. If they all shot in his general direction, so that whenever he was within a one-step distance from his original position, he would get hit, then who would win?

Don't mock me.

I don't expect Hit-Girl to miss. I do expect Preston to do what he does and avoid the shot due to his abilities.

If Agent Zero's bullets fly straight, then yes, Preston could avoid using his abilities. But Zero has more to him than just good aim. So a Zero vs Preston fight, it'd likely be Zero.

I'm not sure I understand that question. But his abilities allow him to predict the path of bullets and avoid, while simulataneously returning fire.

Not trying to mock you; you know that. But you're trying to downplay his abilities because they don't make sense in the real world. Which they don't have too.

Originally posted by Placidity
As opposed to hundreds of bullets being fired in his general area? They all somehow don't hit him?

They don't, because of his abilities. The guy avoids bullets, hundreds or thousands of them. Though his ability to "inflict maximun damage on the maximun amount of opponents" helps a lot too.

Originally posted by Robtard
Then of course, there's all those people he killed that weren't "stationary shooters". /counter

Stil waiting for you to dazzle me with "HG's stealth".

Yes they were. They were stationary or moving a foot this way or that at slow speeds. Fact.

No comment on how Gun Kata is designed to work with maximum effectiveness against a group of stationary shooters, as opposed to one shooter who moves way faster than anyone in Equilibrium? K.

I'll circle back to HG's stealth.

Check THIS out:

YouTube video

FF to 1:25-2:10. Strobe light. If Preston can't see her, he can't shoot her. And no, the opening scene in Equilibrium won't work as a counter for you here. Those guys were standing still, reloading their weapons, talking, making all sorts of noise.

Cool stuff, yeah?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yes they were. They were stationary or moving a foot this way or that at slow speeds. Fact.

No comment on how Gun Kata is designed to work with maximum effectiveness against a group of stationary shooters, as opposed to one shooter who moves way faster than anyone in Equilibrium? K.

LoL, first you insist gunkata only works with "stationary" opponents, it's pointed out he uses it on opponents that aren't stationary. So you flip and now it's "moving a foot or slow".

Fail, guy.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I'll circle back to HG's stealth.

Check THIS out:

FF to 1:25-2:10. Strobe light. If Preston can't see her, he can't shoot her. And no, the opening scene in Equilibrium won't work as a counter for you here. Those guys were standing still, reloading their weapons, talking, making all sorts of noise.

Cool stuff, yeah?

See, you failed. Told you.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, first you insist gunkata only works with "stationary" opponents, it's pointed out he uses it on opponents that aren't stationary. So you flip and now it's "moving a foot or slow". Fail, guy.

Counter: The opening post. They only have their guns and unlimited ammo.

See, you failed. Told you.

No, I said that Gun Kata is used with great effectiveness on:

A. Stationary targets
B. Slow movers

And yeah, the strobe light is an attachment to the same pistols she used in the hallway shootout. OP says they have their pistols from their hallway shootouts. The pistols she used in the hallway shootout is the same type of pistols she used in the rescue scene, with the strobe light attachment.

Man, that's some pwnage there. Ass rape even.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, I said that Gun Kata is used with great effectiveness on:

A. Stationary targets
B. Slow movers

And yeah, the strobe light is an attachment to the same pistols she used in the hallway shootout. OP says they have their pistols from their hallway shootouts. The pistols she used in the hallway shootout is the same type of pistols she used in the rescue scene, with the strobe light attachment.

Man, that's some pwnage there. Ass rape even.

Just when I thought you couldn't get any more desperate to weasel a win, RJ.

Anyhow, this is what the OP stated: "Weapons: pistols that each had during each of their own hallway shootout" -OP

So no, she doesn't have the strobe light and to be effective, the room would need to be dark.

Fail, fail, fail, fail, RJ.

I just can't stop laughing reading this thread. Hit Girl is pretty badass, but she's not beating Preston. As for the equipped light.... well she never had it EQUIPPED so thus it doesn't count. And plus if the fight is in a light area which is kind if implied it is the light is useless anyway.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, I said that Gun Kata is used with great effectiveness on:

A. Stationary targets
B. Slow movers

And yeah, the strobe light is an attachment to the same pistols she used in the hallway shootout. OP says they have their pistols from their hallway shootouts. The pistols she used in the hallway shootout is the same type of pistols she used in the rescue scene, with the strobe light attachment.

Man, that's some pwnage there. Ass rape even.

Originally posted by Kaibs
I just can't stop laughing reading this thread. Hit Girl is pretty badass, but she's not beating Preston. As for the equipped light.... well she never had it EQUIPPED so thus it doesn't count. And plus if the fight is in a light area which is kind if implied it is the light is useless anyway.

I just want to point that both of these posts are wrong for different reasons.

Kaibs, Hit Girl's pistol actually did have the strobe attached to it during the rescue scene, which let her keep her accuracy by holding the pistol with two hands.

RJ, while it was the same pistol, the strobe attachment wasn't on it because, if you recall during the rescue scene, she detached the strobe to distract the last two guards. Which means by the time of the hallway, it would just be a standard pistol.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
I just want to point that both of these posts are wrong for different reasons.

Kaibs, Hit Girl's pistol actually did have the strobe attached to it during the rescue scene, which let her keep her accuracy by holding the pistol with two hands.

RJ, while it was the same pistol, the strobe attachment wasn't on it because, if you recall during the rescue scene, she detached the strobe to distract the last two guards. Which means by the time of the hallway, it would just be a standard pistol.

Noooooooooooooooo bro I am talking about the hallway scene in the bosses building. At least that's where I thought they said this battle is taking place. Or a place like that. In the rescue scene I know she has the strobe equipped. But once again it'd be a bit useless like wearing NVG's during the day

The only way i see preston losing is if he starts getting all emotional by seeing hit girl come in with a school girl outfit crying and what not.

Originally posted by Robtard
this is what the OP stated: "Weapons: pistols that each had during each of their own hallway shootout" -OP

So no, she doesn't have the strobe light and to be effective, the room would need to be dark.

The runt is right. She never used the strobe attachment in the hallway scenes, only the rescue scene in the dark room.

Originally posted by Kaibs
Noooooooooooooooo bro I am talking about the hallway scene in the bosses building. At least that's where I thought they said this battle is taking place. Or a place like that. In the rescue scene I know she has the strobe equipped. But once again it'd be a bit useless like wearing NVG's during the day

I know what scene you're talking about, Kaibs, I was just pointing out that your statement here:

Originally posted by Kaibs
...well she never had it EQUIPPED

Was wrong, because she did have it equipped, but not during the hall scene. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear, did that help?

Originally posted by XanatosForever
I know what scene you're talking about, Kaibs, I was just pointing out that your statement here:

Was wrong, because she did have it equipped, but not during the hall scene. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear, did that help?

Ahh yeah I got you. I suppose I should of worded that a bit better. I meant not having it equipped during the scene in the hall.

-well lit environment

-Preston can only use semi-auto to be fair

You know, I notice that the mob boss kicking HG's ass keeps getting brought up. If she hadn't ran out of bullets, he would've died just as easily as the rest. H2h does not matter here.