Sersi Vs Dr Manhatten Vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't make up the rules. It is understood. If any part of someone leaves the battlefield then it is self bfr.

LOL. So I guess Nightcrawler auto-loses when he fights cuz he leaves the battlefield (by entering another dimension) whenever he teleports.

And whenever MM phases

And oh, Zoom auto-loses cuz he isn't really within our time and thus is not in the battlefield.

LOL. You're a funny man, h1. You're comedy gold.

Originally posted by h1a8
Not showing the ability doesn't mean they can't do it. The writer probably didn't think of that.

Actually, it does. Otherwise, we'd ALL just be making up abilities for each character we debate for.

Oh wait, that's what you do all the time anyway...

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes but it wasn't his brain nor was it at the molecular level. It also was a one time crazy feat as well.

LOL. See below, noooob.

Originally posted by h1a8
The evidence that supports that he can is
1. His ability to reform from outside energy (he knows his exact makeup)
2. His ability to make others of himself from outside energy (again he knows his exact makeup)
3. His saying in the end that he will leave Earth and make life elsewhere.
4. His clones can make clones.

Making up abilities with no proof or reference is fail.

Originally posted by h1a8
My point was that I was using your faulty 'we don't have proof argument'. That is how you attacked my argument. You claiming that I am not allowed to infer when you can. This is hypocritical.

You don't have any showings of Dr M affecting the Astral Plane in any way. By logic, and until proof is provided otherwise, this means that he suffers from the same vulnerabilities are normal beings would.

Surfer has managed to affect beings that are FAR more powerful than him on the physical plane and easily disposed of them on the Astral Plane, this shows that even beings that the Surfer cannot affect on a physical level are easily vulnerable to an Astral attack by the Surfer.

One logic here is stronger than the other. Guess w/c one?

Originally posted by h1a8
What posts are u referring to? I'm pretty sure I addressed all the relevant stuff.

Check the bottom of the page. I addressed your entire post prior line by line.

Originally posted by h1a8
That doesn't prove he can affect being's consciousness. He can't even do anything like what he claimed to be able do to Thor or other beings.

"...devoid of consciousness or thought" is not proof that he can affect a being's consciousness. LOL. Funny h1 fail logic right there.

What's funny here is that he's provided SCANS of the Surfer performing feats.

Where are YOUR scans?

Originally posted by h1a8
That's called PIS.

TRANSLATION: "You've proved me wrong so I'm just gonna cry "PIS!!!" and run like a little girl."

😆 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
LOL. So I guess Nightcrawler auto-loses when he fights cuz he leaves the battlefield (by entering another dimension) whenever he teleports.

And whenever MM phases

And oh, Zoom auto-loses cuz he isn't really within our time and thus is not in the battlefield.

LOL. You're a funny man, h1. You're comedy gold.

Actually, it does. Otherwise, we'd ALL just be making up abilities for each character we debate for.

Making up abilities with no proof or reference is fail.

You don't have any showings of Dr M affecting the Astral Plane in any way. By logic, and until proof is provided otherwise, this means that he suffers from the same vulnerabilities are normal beings would.

Surfer has managed to affect beings that are FAR more powerful than him on the physical plane and easily disposed of them on the Astral Plane, this shows that even beings that the Surfer cannot affect on a physical level are easily vulnerable to an Astral attack by the Surfer.

You can't infer that SS can do certain things yet argue that I can't infer that Dr. M can make clones indefinitely, etc. Hypocrisy it is.

One logic here is stronger than the other. Guess w/c one?

Check the bottom of the page. I addressed your entire post prior line by line.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
"...devoid of consciousness or thought" is not proof that he can affect a being's consciousness. LOL. Funny h1 fail logic right there.

What's funny here is that he's provided SCANS of the Surfer performing feats.

Where are YOUR scans?

TRANSLATION: "You've proved me wrong so I'm just gonna cry "PIS!!!" and run like a little girl."

😆 😆 😆 😆

1. Again, is NOT a self-BFR scenario as per the rules.
2. Dr. M has never destroyed anything with the Surfer's durability or performed any attacks that has done damage beyond what the Surfer has been EASILY able to tank in the past.
3. Surfer has been to the Asrtal Plane more than once and has shown his abilities there more than once.

Originally posted by h1a8
Nightcrawler can do this because it is a means to him teleporting to various places on the battlefield, which is his main power. Now if Nightcrawler teleported and stayed out of the battlefield then he loses. MM phasing has nothing to do with leaving the battlefield. He was once fried with mere fire in a phased state. Battlefield involves place not time. Zoom is not only in the battlefield but in our time as well. His time just runs slower that's all.

Surfer does this because it his one of the ways he has to attack an opponent and part of the requirements of the power. Hell, he never even leaves the battlefield, his body is still there and his Astral form sees it.

Your BFR argument is both biased and baseless. And desperate. You want to resolve this? Go ask a mod if an Astral attack is BFR according to the rules. Otherwise, you're just being someone who is unwilling to accept a loss and would just resort to arguing thru his ass in the hopes that he would just exhaust the patience of his opponents.

Seriously, do you even BELIEVE your own arguments?? I find that difficult to believe.

Originally posted by h1a8
Actually it doesn't. Its possible they can or can't do it. You can't say they can't and I can't say they can.
I provided proof. You just can't understand it.

And yet you say "they can". All I said was he can't until you have proof that he can. You never provided proof, just base speculation. But I guess for you, your own speculation = proof.

😆 😆

Originally posted by h1a8
Where do you learn your logic from? A negative isn't true if it isn't proven otherwise. It may or may not work on him depending on the opinion of the writer of Dr. M. But that is moot since SS can't do this.

Hahaha. "Learn your logic from?". You should ask yourself that same question. I think everyone here is already wracking their brains about where YOU learned your logic or even if that word exists for you.

Here's your logic: Because Dr M has never been attacked by an Astral attack before, then it won't work on him.

Fail logic.

Originally posted by h1a8
Lies. First, it was a singular being, not beings. Second, you can't prove it was more powerful. Third, SS can't do this to Thor or any other herald level being. Fourth, he can't do it here because he would lose leaving the battlefield, would get destroyed the moment he tried, or he just can't do it because it is a one time feat.

-Soooo, just because he didn't use this on some opponents, means that he can't use it at all? :-/ FAIL.
-They took out that rule. The one-time feats of versatile characters are no longer invalid and unless you can find a rule that states this, pls stop making stuff up or simply debate in the forums that HAVE these rules. Also, the Surfer has been able to affect the Astral/Soul plane before thru his feats of breaching the Soul gem, resisting soul sucking and bringing ppl back from the Astral Plane. So it's not even a one-time feat.

Originally posted by h1a8
You can't infer that SS can do certain things yet argue that I can't infer that Dr. M can make clones indefinitely, etc. Hypocrisy it is.

Hypocrisy coming from you!?! HAHAHA. The same guy who contradicts himself with lines like this:

Originally posted by h1a8
3. Yes I have. They all have the same makeup. Same makeup means same power. Dr. M can create himself from nothing.

Originally posted by h1a8
He's not recreating himself from nothing but from the ambient energies of space and time. No one can create something from nothing. That's illogical.

Rich. Very rich.

The Astral feat was SPECIFICALLY done on-panel. Not on Dr M, yes, but it was done to a more powerful entity.

Your feat is implied based on a speculative simultaneous combined use of different abilities that was never done on panel.

It's funny how you try to draw parallels with our arguments. Shows how desperate you are.

Originally posted by h1a8
Your logic doesn't make any sense. Clearly SS can't do such things. I change my mind Dr. M beats him 10/10 by teleporting his molecules apart with ease.

It's is only "clear" in your "mind" h1.
😆 😆

Surfer has resisted matter manipulation before and battles matter manipulators on a regular basis. Dr M has only demonstrated this ability on beings with NO shown on-panel resistance.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's called TALK. SS wasn't shown to do it so I'm not going to believe he can, especially looking at his entire career. If he managed to pull it off then it is still invalid due to PIS and lack of doing it throughout his career. That's like saying Superman can still t-vo (But at least Superman has shown it).

So a SECOND instance that the Surfer can affect a being's consciousness is invalid to you because the being resisted it?

I guess the Surfer just likes to talk about as well as make up little abilities when he talks to his opponents. Something you enjoy doing, too. 😆

Originally posted by h1a8
I only called PIS to the extremely rare stuff that not only contradicts how a character has been portrayed in his entire career but that people would use in desperation to get their character to win.

IF you were a more logical debater, I'd explain this more in-depth. But you're just not worth the time. Instead, I will state this:

The Surfer has been able to affect the Astral Plane on more than one occasion. Thus it is NOT PIS.

Your use of PIS is the act of desperation here.

Originally posted by h1a8
I've argued 1. I've argued 2. (he can just teleport SS apart, since SS can be teleported)
3. One or two feats have him going there when he is near death. Not only is this not enough but he loses if he tries it.

1. You've failed to argue one.
2. Surfer will resist it. Or just pull himself together, like he's done in the past.
3. Proof that he was more "near death" than he's been many times before? Surfer doesn't lose if he tries it.
😆 😆

Originally posted by h1a8
It's called TALK. SS wasn't shown to do it so I'm not going to believe he can, especially looking at his entire career. If he managed to pull it off then it is still invalid due to PIS and lack of doing it throughout his career. That's like saying Superman can still t-vo (But at least Superman has shown it).

Originally posted by h1a8
That doesn't prove he can affect being's consciousness. He can't even do anything like what he claimed to be able do to Thor or other beings.
That's called PIS.

http://img172.imageshack.us/i/ssvsmardukto9.jpg/
http://img172.imageshack.us/i/ssvsmarduk1ij4.jpg/
http://img165.imageshack.us/i/ssvsmarduk2cr4.jpg/
http://img237.imageshack.us/i/ssvsmarduk3hu0.jpg/
http://img175.imageshack.us/i/ssvsmarduk5ut2.jpg/
http://img237.imageshack.us/i/ssvsmarduk4hr6.jpg/
http://img105.imageshack.us/f/ssvsmarduk6ug9.jpg/

Originally posted by h1a8
Your logic doesn't make any sense. Clearly SS can't do such things. I change my mind Dr. M beats him 10/10 by teleporting his molecules apart with ease.

Here why its not gonna work...

http://img168.imageshack.us/i/ssfightsoffrealcntrljd2.jpg/

Thats fending off reality manipulation right there.. reality >>>>>>>> matter manipulation.. Try again..

Dont you guys know that only H1 can make shit up in this thread?

Originally posted by h1a8
That doesn't prove he can affect being's consciousness. He can't even do anything like what he claimed to be able do to Thor or other beings.

That's called PIS. [/B]

And of course, astral form isn't self-BFR because THE FIGHTERS REMAIN ENGAGED IN BATTLE INTERACTING WITH EACH OTHER. I'll get a mod to come rule over this so you can shut your idiocy up.

Originally posted by Ambient
Funny the opponent even admitted that Surfer without a doubt could definitely do that, she even stated a reason to why the attack failed.. That comment clearly shows your lack of knowledge towards Surfer, as it been shown through out his entire history that it is within his power to affect the mind/consciousness of a being; from sharing, planting and the of course the less shown complete removal of it..

So this one too is PIS 🙄 ..

http://img172.imageshack.us/i/ssvsmardukto9.jpg/
http://img172.imageshack.us/i/ssvsmarduk1ij4.jpg/
http://img165.imageshack.us/i/ssvsmarduk2cr4.jpg/
http://img237.imageshack.us/i/ssvsmarduk3hu0.jpg/
http://img175.imageshack.us/i/ssvsmarduk5ut2.jpg/
http://img237.imageshack.us/i/ssvsmarduk4hr6.jpg/
http://img105.imageshack.us/f/ssvsmarduk6ug9.jpg/

Originally posted by Ambient
😆 I was not gonna respond to this due to just plain stupidity but ehhh..

Here why its not gonna work...

http://img168.imageshack.us/i/ssfightsoffrealcntrljd2.jpg/

Thats fending off reality manipulation right there.. reality >>>>>>>> matter manipulation.. Try again..

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Surfer does this because it his one of the ways he has to attack an opponent and part of the requirements of the power. Hell, he never even leaves the battlefield, his body is still there and his Astral form sees it.

Your BFR argument is both biased and baseless. And desperate. You want to resolve this? Go ask a mod if an Astral attack is BFR according to the rules. Otherwise, you're just being someone who is unwilling to accept a loss and would just resort to arguing thru his ass in the hopes that he would just exhaust the patience of his opponents.

[b

And yet you say "they can". All I said was he can't until you have proof that he can. You never provided proof, just base speculation. But I guess for you, your own speculation = proof. [/B]

Hahaha. "Learn your logic from?". You should ask yourself that same question. I think everyone here is already wracking their brains about where YOU learned your logic or even if that word exists for you.

Here's your logic: Because Dr M has never been attacked by an Astral attack before, then it won't work on him.

Fail logic.

-Soooo, just because he didn't use this on some opponents, means that he can't use it at all? :-/ FAIL.
-They took out that rule. The one-time feats of versatile characters are no longer invalid and unless you can find a rule that states this, pls stop making stuff up or simply debate in the forums that HAVE these rules. Also, the Surfer has been able to affect the Astral/Soul plane before thru his feats of breaching the Soul gem, resisting soul sucking and bringing ppl back from the Astral Plane. So it's not even a one-time feat.

Hypocrisy coming from you!?! HAHAHA. The same guy who contradicts himself with lines like this:

Rich. Very rich.

The Astral feat was SPECIFICALLY done on-panel. Not on Dr M, yes, but it was done to a more powerful entity.

Your feat is implied based on a speculative simultaneous combined use of different abilities that was never done on panel.

It's funny how you try to draw parallels with our arguments. Shows how desperate you are.

It's is only "clear" in your "mind" h1.
😆 😆

Surfer has resisted matter manipulation before and battles matter manipulators on a regular basis. Dr M has only demonstrated this ability on beings with NO shown on-panel resistance.

So a SECOND instance that the Surfer can affect a being's consciousness is invalid to you because the being resisted it?

I guess the Surfer just likes to talk about as well as make up little abilities when he talks to his opponents. Something you enjoy doing, too. 😆

IF you were a more logical debater, I'd explain this more in-depth. But you're just not worth the time. Instead, I will state this:

The Surfer has been able to affect the Astral Plane on more than one occasion. Thus it is NOT PIS.

Your use of PIS is the act of desperation here.

[quote][b]
1. You've failed to argue one.
2. Surfer will resist it. Or just pull himself together, like he's done in the past.
3. Proof that he was more "near death" than he's been many times before? Surfer doesn't lose if he tries it.
😆 😆

Originally posted by 753
of course not facepalm
hahahaha and why is that huh? do you actually know what PIS means? He's got 4 high end feats like that.There's nothing that DM ever did that SS hasn't done BTW. regeneration, cloning, teleportation, size alteration, nothing.

And of course, astral form isn't self-BFR because THE FIGHTERS REMAIN ENGAGED IN BATTLE INTERACTING WITH EACH OTHER. I'll get a mod to come rule over this so you can shut your idiocy up.

SS is leaving the battlefield to attack someone indirectly. The battlefield has been defined by the moderation under the forum rules.
If SS is allowed to leave a dimension and go to another to fight then leaving the battlefield isn't a rule then. Anyone then can leave and go where ever they want, even another galaxy if they wanted. Someone can go to another universe and destroy a character's power source. That's totally against the rules.

Originally posted by h1a8
Actually it's the other way around. You are desperate for even bring up a super rare feat for SS to get him to win. Again one's body doesn't make them. If it did then u would have a point. Luthor was in Flash's body and vice versa. That doesn't mean the Flash was actually roaming around in the JL headquarters (it was Luthor).

Apples and Oranges comparison.

The Astral plane is still in the SAME locale as the body, just a different state. His body is still there and his soul is just in a form that allows him to interact with an otherwise imperceptible (to his opponent) but existent portion of the battlefield.

Completely NOT in the BFR rule. But your insistence is comedic.

Originally posted by h1a8
The same would go for your arguments as well. SS can't until he proves he can. You don't except my proof and I sure as hell don't except yours.

Except that he's shown he can do it in a fight. In a crossover forum fight, this is considered proof enough.

YOU'RE insisting that Dr. M has some sort of resistance to it even though he's shown no such feats.

What's funny is that you're TRYING (and failing) to shift the burden of proof.

Originally posted by h1a8
You just proved your logic stinks. I didn't say it wouldn't work on Dr. M if he allowed it. I said we don't know if it will or won't. You are claiming that it will without proof. Yet you are saying that my inference is invalid because it isn't a PROOF.

Ok, here's how debating works:

I make an argument. You make an argument. I provide proof and you provide counter proof.

I made the statement that the Surfer can attack a physical being thru the Astral Plane. I present proof of this via scans:

First time:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/InThyName2005.jpg

Destroys a being that was easily dominating him in the physical plane. Note that his body is still THERE being grasped by the creature and he simply shifts his mind to a different state.

Second time (same issue, different instance):

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Silver%20Surfer/surferastral5.jpg

Not an attack but shows the type of dominance he has in the Astral Plane:

This proves that the Surfer can attack beings on more than a physical level easily.

You made a counter argument. That such an attack won't work on Dr M. Now provide proof or concede.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's still leaving the battlefield. Second, they took out no such rule. Rare desperate feats aren't valid period otherwise the PIS rule would be allowed. The feat is one of a kind, going to the Astral field and attacking something. If it isn't then SS certainly does not have more than 2 of them.

It was done 2x in the same issue. It's NOT a one-of ability. Also, he has shown to affect the Astral form on more than one occasion and attack minds and consciousness as well.

It's you who

But I'll be sure to remember: "rare instances are one-ofs and thus PIS" argument on your next fail foray into logical debating lol.

Especially the next time you try to argue that Superman could pull a planet solo BS. He's had how many scans and instances did YOU use to show this when you tried to insist on this again??

Hypocrisy at its finest.

Originally posted by h1a8
I was speaking figuratively, not literally. I clarified this already so why bring it up? Clearly, I mentioned he uses outside energy to remake himself. To me I called that reforming from nothing (figurative talk). Hypocrisy to is contradict oneself in meaning, not words. This is what you are doing with the prove it argument.

Haha. You did no such clarification. You simply contradicted yourself and now call it a "clarification" when you got caught. You're a funny funny man, h1.

Funny use of the "figurative" argument again. Even when the last time you tried to pull this BS, I kicked your butt HARD.

Originally posted by h1a8
SS can't do the feat here because it is leaving the battlefield, Dr. M will destroy him instantly if he tries, and it was a too rare of a feat to be valid. Also, it isn't proven that the being was more powerful than Dr. M. Though more powerful is completely moot since less powerful beings can be more resistant to a certain tactic than more powerful beings are.

Prove that it's BFR thru the rules.

Dr M has ZERO showings that indicate that his power levels are even CLOSE to the Surfer's. The being was stronger than the Surfer thus it is more powerful than Dr M UNLESS you can provide a power showing by Dr M to disprove this statement.

Also, Dr M has never shown ANY resistance whatsoever and have even been vulnerable to mind games by Ozy.

Originally posted by h1a8
Who cares about matter manipulation? That's irrelevant. SS can be teleported. Thus his molecules can be teleported (not matter manipulated) apart as well.

No it's not. Teleporting someone's molecules is a form of matter manipulation. It's manipulating someone's matter. If you don't get this, then you fail at english.

Also, being telported is NOT the same as having your molecules teleported apart. One simply shifts one's location, the other has to deal with resistances/durability to succeed.

Pls provide scans of Surfer being teleported against his will.

Originally posted by h1a8
Maybe he does. I don't know. But I'm not going to take his word for it if I don't see it regularly (one or two times isn't enough).

The fact that he's affected the minds and consciousness of other beings before? He's done this more than one occasion. It's funny that you try and paint each of his many showings as on-ofs because they simply have slight variations of how they worked. Shows how desperate you are.

Originally posted by h1a8
Being shown to affect the Astral Plane does not prove he can win Dr. M over, nor does it prove he can do it in a forum fight because affecting the Astral Plane is not necessarily the same as affecting someone's consciousness. And SS can't do it because he is leaving the battlefield. And SS can't do it because he did this feat ONCE (not twice, I didn't stutter either).

He's done it in a fight and defeated a physically dominant opponent thru it. That's proof enough. Everyone seems to agree with that logic except you. It's common sense as well as logical.

The same guy who pulls the "common sense" rule doesn't seem to have any. 😆 😆

Originally posted by h1a8
If SS is even allowed to leave the battlefield then he loses because he would not have a body to come back to.

There is proof that the Surfer can resist matter manipulation/reality manipulation and proof that shows that he can resist BEYOND-planetary level attacks.

Dr M has ZERO showings that would indicate that he can even affect a being of the Surfer's magnitude of durability.

Do you seriously believe the trash you post sometimes? I'm REALLY finding it hard to believe that you do. I think you're just here to troll ppl for fun, if so, you do a decent job. But one cannot help but be concerned about the type of life you live.

If you ARE serious, then pls get a vasectomy for the sake of the human gene pool (tho I seriously doubt that you'd ever score with a girl but one can't bee TOO careful).

wow this is still going.. I think this still goes nowhere, Dr. M has no feats list so trying to argue one way or another is still useless. anyways H1 D_dude continue wasting time on useless thread. I'll check in on this in about a week or two see if anythings changed from the last 10 pages.

Okay, I agree with D_dude's arguments, and his pointing out that H1 doesn't grasp the basic rules of debate (or he's a brilliant troll), but I disagree with his methods. It brings down the validity of ones argument when you bash in between proofs.

Originally posted by h1a8
SS is leaving the battlefield to attack someone indirectly. The battlefield has been defined by the moderation under the forum rules.
If SS is allowed to leave a dimension and go to another to fight then leaving the battlefield isn't a rule then. Anyone then can leave and go where ever they want, even another galaxy if they wanted. Someone can go to another universe and destroy a character's power source. That's totally against the rules.

Originally posted by h1a8
It depends on what SS was doing that would make it PIS. The scan tells nothing.

This is irrelevant. SS can be teleported, thus he can have his molecules teleported (apart).

1st.)
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Blackbodyabsorb.jpg
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Surfertakingover.jpg
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Surfertakingover1.jpg

2nd.)
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg

3rd.)
http://img70.imageshack.us/i/unilord2eb3.jpg/

4th.)
http://img165.imageshack.us/i/ssvsmarduk2cr4.jpg/
http://img237.imageshack.us/i/ssvsmarduk3hu0.jpg/

So all this are pretty much PIS? Its not going to work..

In order to teleport, there needs to be some form of matter manipulation towards the target.. Surfer fended off reality manipulation >>>>>>> matter.. Again its not going to work..

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Apples and Oranges comparison.

The Astral plane is still in the SAME locale as the body, just a different state. His body is still there and his soul is just in a form that allows him to interact with an otherwise imperceptible (to his opponent) but existent portion of the battlefield.

Completely NOT in the BFR rule. But your insistence is comedic.

Except that he's shown he can do it in a fight. In a crossover forum fight, this is considered proof enough.

YOU'RE insisting that Dr. M has some sort of resistance to it even though he's shown no such feats.

What's funny is that you're TRYING (and failing) to shift the burden of proof.

Ok, here's how debating works:

I make an argument. You make an argument. I provide proof and you provide counter proof.

I made the statement that the Surfer can attack a physical being thru the Astral Plane. I present proof of this via scans:

First time:

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/InThyName2005.jpg

Destroys a being that was easily dominating him in the physical plane. Note that his body is still THERE being grasped by the creature and he simply shifts his mind to a different state.

Second time (same issue, different instance):

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Silver%20Surfer/surferastral5.jpg

Not an attack but shows the type of dominance he has in the Astral Plane:

This proves that the Surfer can attack beings on more than a physical level easily.

You made a counter argument. That such an attack won't work on Dr M. Now provide proof or concede.

It was done 2x in the same issue. It's NOT a one-of ability. Also, he has shown to affect the Astral form on more than one occasion and attack minds and consciousness as well.

It's you who

But I'll be sure to remember: "rare instances are one-ofs and thus PIS" argument on your next fail foray into logical debating lol.

Especially the next time you try to argue that Superman could pull a planet solo BS. He's had how many scans and instances did YOU use to show this when you tried to insist on this again??

Hypocrisy at its finest.

Haha. You did no such clarification. You simply contradicted yourself and now call it a "clarification" when you got caught. You're a funny funny man, h1.

Prove that it's BFR thru the rules.

Dr M has ZERO showings that indicate that his power levels are even CLOSE to the Surfer's. The being was stronger than the Surfer thus it is more powerful than Dr M UNLESS you can provide a power showing by Dr M to disprove this statement.

Also, Dr M has never shown ANY resistance whatsoever and have even been vulnerable to mind games by Ozy.

No it's not. Teleporting someone's molecules is a form of matter manipulation. It's manipulating someone's matter. If you don't get this, then you fail at english.

Also, being telported is NOT the same as having your molecules teleported apart. One simply shifts one's location, the other has to deal with resistances/durability to succeed.

Pls provide scans of Surfer being teleported against his will.

The fact that he's affected the minds and consciousness of other beings before? He's done this more than one occasion. It's funny that you try and paint each of his many showings as on-ofs because they simply have slight variations of how they worked. Shows how desperate you are.

He's done it in a fight and defeated a physically dominant opponent thru it. That's proof enough. Everyone seems to agree with that logic except you. It's common sense as well as logical.

The same guy who pulls the "common sense" rule doesn't seem to have any. 😆 😆

There is proof that the Surfer can resist matter manipulation/reality manipulation and proof that shows that he can resist BEYOND-planetary level attacks.

Dr M has ZERO showings that would indicate that he can even affect a being of the Surfer's magnitude of durability.

Do you seriously believe the trash you post sometimes? I'm REALLY finding it hard to believe that you do. I think you're just here to troll ppl for fun, if so, you do a decent job. But one cannot help but be concerned about the type of life you live.

That's all irrelevant. Teleporting someone is vastly different. Many beings body's are resistant to matter manipulation yet they all have been teleported. From Superman to Thanos to Thor to etc.

Originally posted by Ambient
Those scans was to show you that Surfer has been able to reformed himself from not only by being cut into diff. parts but from being reduced into atoms in 4 seperate occasions..

1st.)
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Blackbodyabsorb.jpg
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Surfertakingover.jpg
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Surfertakingover1.jpg

2nd.)
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg

3rd.)
http://img70.imageshack.us/i/unilord2eb3.jpg/

4th.)
http://img165.imageshack.us/i/ssvsmarduk2cr4.jpg/
http://img237.imageshack.us/i/ssvsmarduk3hu0.jpg/

So all this are pretty much PIS? Its not going to work..

In order to teleport, there needs to be some form of matter manipulation towards the target.. Surfer fended off reality manipulation >>>>>>> matter.. Again its not going to work..

Originally posted by h1a8
The Astral plane is in a different dimension thus out of the forum rule defined battlefield.

Try again. The Astral Plane is a different STATE of consciousness, not a different LOCATION.

Originally posted by h1a8
The SS body is not what makes him him. His consciousness is what makes him him.

Except that his ASTRAL form is always located in the ASTRAL plane. It's always existed there, its never left and it's ALWAYS part of consciousness. He just separated it from his body and used it to attack. By your definition, a person who daydreams is considered BFRing. LOL.

Originally posted by h1a8
Just because someone hasn't shown resistance to something doesn't mean they don't have it.

Actually, in a comic book VS forum, it does. The rules are VERY flexible and forgiving in this area. Show me ANY kind of resistance feat that shows Dr M has some sort of resistance beyond the physical and you can argue resistance. Otherwise, you should concede.

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not trying to do anything but show your hypocrisy. You are saying that I can't prove that Dr. M can multiply indefinitely when that is the most logical thing to believe. If there is indefinite energy in the universe and Dr. M can keep using it to make more clones then what's to stop him? Nothing suggests that he can't. Yet you are claiming things that SS WILL DEFINITELY succeed against Dr. M with without direct proof yourself.

The King of Self-contradiction shouldn't use the word hypocrisy. Actually, it makes sense that you would use it, since you're the one most guilty of it around these forums. It doesn't really go against your nature to throw around this word like you're completely free of guild from it. After all, that's what hypocrites do.

What's to stop him? Getting destroyed in the Astral Plane by the Surfer, that's what'll stop him. Unless you think the Surfer is just gonna stand there and look at him as he multiplies, that is.

Also, SCANS OF HIM BEING ABLE TO MULTIPLY INDEFINITELY.

You shouldn't make up things when you have no proof.

Originally posted by h1a8
I already proved what Dr. M can do. You didn't accept it due to bias. Again, SS only has one feat where he is engaged in a battle and up and suddenly leaves and go to the Astral plane to attack the same being.

You provided no proof whatsoever. Where are your scans? Concession accepted.

Originally posted by h1a8
Even if it was two feats then it is still not enough.

I'll be sure to sticky this for the next time you try and pull one-ofs as usable feats. LOL. Again, hypocrite. So how MANY times has Superman pulled a planet again?

Again, hypocrisy.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's rareness screams that you are desperate. I'm not going to argue this point again. I'm going to just argue that he can't because it is leaving the battlefield. A desperate way for him to win indeed.

Haha. It's been shown on MORE than one occasion and now you're running away cuz you know you've been pwnd yet again.

Nope. You're the only one who seems convinced that it's considered BFR. The artwork, common sense and even the dictionary definition of "Astral Plane" contradicts your statement.

Originally posted by h1a8
Answer this. Why no one here ever argues the Astral Plane thing when he fights Thor, Thanos, or any other herald level or trans being?

Because many of the trans beings (especially Thanos) has Astral Plane showings as well. And he's only fought Thor a few times and he wasn't really trying to destroy him during these moments. Plus Thor himself has shown resistances to telepathy and soul attacks himself.

Originally posted by h1a8
Answer I don't understand this. You are babbling. Many fragments are here. Superman being assisted still proved that he is capable of exerting more than 50 Earth weights of force.

W/c is made completely invalid by your own argument:

Originally posted by h1a8
Even if it was two feats then it is still not enough.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's rareness screams that you are desperate.

See? Delicious hypocrisy right there.

Understand it NOW, kid?

LOL, yet another foot-in-mouth h1 moment...

Originally posted by h1a8
Its one thing to say that i'm a terrible debater and it is another to call me a liar. I may say false things but I lie not and that's a promise. I actually meant the figurative 'from nothing' and not the literal. Why the hell do you think I said it was impossible in the literal sense? I am the mathematician and physicist of this forum. No way in the hell I would say 'make something from nothing' and mean it literally. That's just plain dumb and violates everything I believe in.

OMG OMG! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Let me quote that again for absolute WIN!

Originally posted by h1a8
I am the mathematician and physicist of this forum.

Seriosuly, I fell off my chair laughing at that one.

Nice make believe Profession/Aptitude there, sonny.

What's less funny is how you try to dodge the fact that you're put your proverbial foot in your mouth, yet again.

Originally posted by h1a8
Being more powerful is irrelevant.

Actually. IT IS.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's all about what a character can do to win. Many weaker characters can beat more powerful characters because of key tools.

It's also about how the opposing character can resist it or prevent it from happening.

AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S ABOUT PROVING YOUR STATEMENTS WITH ON PANEL PROOF. Something that you've yet to do.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's against the rules because [b]the battlefield has been WELL DEFINED BY THE MODERATION IN THE FORUM RULES. [/U] [/B]

Try again. Different state isn't leaving the battlefield. Otherwise, MM when he phases is BFRing himself. Zoom is auto-BFRd and Nightcrawler is auto-BFRd when he teleports.

Originally posted by h1a8
Matter manipulation is not defined as teleporting someone or something. Its defined as turning someone into a table. Many words and phrases are not defined literally. This is basic English.

Actually, it IS. Matter Manipulation by literal definition is manipulating matter in any way whatsoever, this includes, moving it around/ transporting it, reshaping it as well as destroying it, not just transmutation of it. It's a very general term and teleportation still needs to penetrate Surfer's natural resistance to Matter/Reality Manipulation attacks. Something he's shown on panel .

Unlike you who've shown ZERO feats by Dr M to resist Astral Plane/Mind/Soul attacks.

Originally posted by h1a8
It is very clear that Dr. M can not only teleport SS's whole body but any part of his body (like nightcrawler teleporting someone's head off). SS has never resisted teleportation, hell he has been teleported before.

Like w/c instance? When has the Surfer ever been teleported against his will? And when has this ever harmed him? Provide SCANS pls.

Also, teleportation used as an attack still needs it to go
against the natural durability and resistances of a character and the Surfer has ON-PANEL showing of Reality/Matter Manipulation.

Originally posted by h1a8
Slight variation smite tariation. Doesn't matter as SS can't do it because its is against forum rules.

No it's not.

Plus there is more than one way for Surfer to attack one's consciousness.

Surfer wins via Astral Plane attack.

Surfer can also win via mindrape.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's all irrelevant. Teleporting someone is vastly different. Many beings body's are resistant to matter manipulation yet they all have been teleported. From Superman to Thanos to Thor to etc.

Telporting someone does NOT equate to teleporting body parts/pieces of him. One dies bit go against natural resistances/durability of the target character, the other DOES. Otherwise, Nightcrawler would be able to beat Hal Jordan by pulling his arm off. :-/

Nice try, tho.

Originally posted by h1a8
The 2nd scan proves nothing. You haven't shown reduced to atoms. The 4th scan was used to argue the Astral plane thing. Throughout SS's history he is able to be killed or koed with mere punches, blasts, etc. This is so much PIS it is the very definition. If it is not then how can Thanos beat him, how can Thor beat him, how can anyone beat him?

You have been provided proof in regards to our claim, so it is only fair that we ask the same for you and that is Dr. M performing said so attack - teleportation of ones atomic structure - .

Blunt force is not matter manipulation..

Originally posted by h1a8
The 2nd scan proves nothing. You haven't shown reduced to atoms. The 4th scan was used to argue the Astral plane thing. Throughout SS's history he is able to be killed or koed with mere punches, blasts, etc. This is so much PIS it is the very definition. If it is not then how can Thanos beat him, how can Thor beat him, how can anyone beat him?