Originally posted by MrMind
manhatten for the win, matter manipulation won't work on him since manhattan could reconsturct his body easily. and manhatten could dump a city on these two, or simply teleport them away
Sock.
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You DO know that it takes a a while for Dr M to reform (w/c will constitute a win via forum rules)?
Or that a city won't do much vs the Surfer as he has busted planets before?
Or that BFR won't work on the Surfer as he can just come back from anywhere? :-/
Or that the whole debate here was on the Surfer destroying Dr M via none-physical means?
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
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You DO know that it takes a a while for Dr M to reform (w/c will constitute a win via forum rules)?
Or that a city won't do much vs the Surfer as he has busted planets before?
Or that BFR won't work on the Surfer as he can just come back from anywhere? :-/
Or that the whole debate here was on the Surfer destroying Dr M via none-physical means?
manhatten control all matters he could dump things bigger than a city. did you see him create a clock out of sand?
dr manhatten is immortal, so far we haven't seen anything that could hurt him. and surfer is very vulnerable to physical attack. dr manhatten could teleport him to the center of the supernova, yes surfer is fast but too bad he isn't going to survive in there.
the only way to destroy manhattan is by reality warping or annihilate him completely. surfer isn't capable of doing either.
manhattan could see the future, he would know fully what surfer capable of, on the other hand surfer won't. so it's highly unlikely surfer is going with his best shot at first hit.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Proof that it took a significant amount of time to pull off the tactic?Good so you're going to post scans of Manhattan pulling off the exact tactics you've suggested for him in combat that happens under forum circumstances right? And don't forget that we'll need to see several instances of him doing the same thing to prove that it's not just PIS.
You were looking for a way to downplay the feat so you misread what I said, that's your own fault.
It looked like it took significant time. That's the proof.
Dr. M was shown to teleport himself and others instantly. That's the proof.
SS's feat was rare to his career. Dr. M mentioned powers are not rare to his career.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Except that the artwork shows that they are existing within the same location. Ergo: same battlefield. Otherwise, WE (the readers) wouldn't be able to see the Surfer's physical body.This is more proof than what you're presented. All you have is an opinion.
Actually, it does:
PWND. Ever get tired of being proven wrong?
Totally wrong. And totally moot as you've never even provided a scan of Dr M being able to do this. This whole argument is just you making up a power that hasn't been proven to exist. Stop lying and stop making things up. It's pathetic
Not really. You were pwnd when called on it.
Haha. Dodging the fact that I completely annihilated you in that debate eh?
Also, HOW MANY TIMES did he do this again?
You OMITTED the part that he had help on your statement.
Prove these "planetary" feats with scans. Outside of him pulling a planet with Hal's help, you really don't have any that either don't have context attached to them or are disputable.
Also, establishing upper limits (such as your 50 Earth weights claim) needs you to provide both QUANTIFIABLE and INDISPUTABLE proof of this. Via YOUR OWN LOGIC, in multiples (w/c shouldn't be the case).
I am not disputing Superman's upper limits, I happen to think he has planetary-level strength as well.
It is your logic that I question for, as always, it fails and stinks of hypocrisy.
Except that in a forum fight, by practice, we need to establish on-panel resistances, otherwise they default to human-level resistances (or w/e race they originate from). Or AT LEAST show ANY kind of resistance that can be argued to be similar to the resistance being implied.
What we DO NOT DO is make things up that do not exist.
You made a claim:
I completely defeated your claim by providing relevance of more power in a VS debate. Now you're just trying to dodge the whole point entirely as you've been pwnd yet again.
The SPIRIT of the rules??? You're trying (and failing) to invalidate a very VALID form of attack by crying "OH OH IT'S BFR!!" because you can't beat the argument and you have the GALL to talk about "THE SPIRIT OF THE RULES"???
What you're doing is rules butchery borne simply out of sheer desperation. And it's pretty pathetic if you ask me.
You should take your own advice. Oh wait, the very nature of hypocrites is that they DON'T take their own advice.
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"Teleportation/matter manip is commutative so teleporting some1's molecules can be done!"
"Teleportation is NOT comutatitve!"
"Teleporting someone's molecules apart isn't matter manipulation!!"
"The fact that Dr M has fine control of subatomic particles (matter manip) AND can teleport ppl proves that he can teleport molecules apart!!!"Good ol' h1 logic....!
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Seeing Surfer's body doesn't make him in the battlefield just as seeing someone in a crystal ball don't make you at that location.
The quote by Digi is not in the forum rules, as you suggested.
I don't have to provide a scan when something only requires deductive reasoning.
Superman receiving help is irrelevant. Thus why should I mention it?
To prove that more powerful will always net one the majority then you must prove for all cases. I can prove likewise by simply showing a counterexample. Thus being more powerful is irrelevant.
I'm right about the spirit of the rules though. Everyone here knows why leaving the battlefield was put in as a rule.
And with the laughing last part there is no contradiction in what I said. You misquoted me as well. I didn't say some of those things. You did.
Oh I didn't dodge you. I just didn't have time to respond to your long reply, only the short ones.
Originally posted by h1a81:No its not leaving
In Summary, SS can do nothing to Dr. M.The Astral Plane thing won't necessarily work because
1. It is leaving the battlefield (spirit of the rules)
2. It can't be proven to work on Dr. M.
3. It is too rare an exotic non commutative feat for SS to be valid.
So surfer just blasts him apart.Yes he can reform but then he can just blast him apart again.Same concept as beating someone with a high HF.
Originally posted by h1a8
In Summary, SS can do nothing to Dr. M.The Astral Plane thing won't necessarily work because
1. It is leaving the battlefield (spirit of the rules)
2. It can't be proven to work on Dr. M.
3. It is too rare an exotic non commutative feat for SS to be valid.
Playing by you rule..
Surfer's is a hell of a lot faster.. So he teleports Dr. M atom into a 100 thousands diff. universe for a win... Surfer can teleport and can open portals into diff. realms and universes, it should be possible for him to do this... Hows that for deductive reasoning..lol
Originally posted by h1a8
It looked like it took significant time. That's the proof.Dr. M was shown to teleport himself and others instantly. That's the proof.
SS's feat was rare to his career. Dr. M mentioned powers are not rare to his career.
Has he showed it multiple times under forum circumstances? If not then either shut up about it or stop with your bogus attempts to downplay Surfer. Surfer's done the things we're talking about(and the stuff you're talking about for Manhattan like it's uber such as teleporting himself and others), there's the proof.
So he's done them all multiple times in combat that resembled forum circumstances? Proof?
Originally posted by MrMindIf Manhattan had to reconstruct his body, it would count as a loss on KMC.
manhatten for the win, matter manipulation won't work on him since manhattan could reconsturct his body easily. and manhatten could dump a city on these two, or simply teleport them away
Dr. Manhattan threads are always tough. Implied power from the book don't always translate into feats.
Originally posted by BadabingWell bada I gots a question.If you can reform in a certain amount of time it doesn't count as a win.So exactly how long is the reform time allowed to be before a win is counted?
If Manhattan had to reconstruct his body, it would count as a loss on KMC.Dr. Manhattan threads are always tough. Implied power from the book don't always translate into feats.