Originally posted by Omega Vision
Did you catch that shit in the Apoc vs Surfer thread where that Super-Man guy thought that Apoc had superior time manipulation to Surfer? 😆
lol,yeah i just flipped through that thread. I find that the few fans apoc does have tend to take things to the extreme. I mean it was being suggested that he was a trans-skyfather level character.....pity pity 🙁
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Scans of surfer teleporting? I know he can go very far past light speed but I have yet to see him teleport.
First scan surfer teleports himself mid battle
Here surfer teleports psycho mans creation that was whooping the ff.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/fantasticfour076-19.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/fantasticfour076-20.jpg
Then there was also another incident i remember in fantastic four 475 where he opened a portal to teleport uatu out of danger.
Originally posted by h1a8
1. He can't drain Manhattan's energy. Manhattan can regenerate from nothing. Manhattan can drain him is more believable.2. He can't pull him into an ethereal plane. What are you even talking about?
3. He can't trap him in his board. This is total nonsense.
Manhattan can beat Surfer a variety of ways. One way he can duplicate himself a millions times over into 2000 ft versions of himself and one shot him.
1. Yes he can. Manhattan has never proven himself to be even within planetary levels with his powers. Surfer's feats are well beyond planetary. Prove me otherwise.
2. It's an ability Surfer has demonstrated against more powerful opponents in the past. If you've read about the Surfer instead of just conjecturing from scans like you usually do, you'd know that this is within his powerset.
3. It's an ability the Surfer has demonstrated in the past. :-/ And the term "total nonsense" coming from you is a laugh and a half.
YAWN! Self-duplication and growth. Multiple Man and Goliath abilities suddenly becoming impressive, eh?
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
1. Yes he can. Manhattan has never proven himself to be even within planetary levels with his powers. Surfer's feats are well beyond planetary. Prove me otherwise.2. It's an ability Surfer has demonstrated against more powerful opponents in the past. If you've read about the Surfer instead of just conjecturing from scans like you usually do, you'd know that this is within his powerset.
3. It's an ability the Surfer has demonstrated in the past. :-/ And the term "total nonsense" coming from you is a laugh and a half.
YAWN! Self-duplication and growth. Multiple Man and Goliath abilities suddenly becoming impressive, eh?
1) Prove Manhattan isn't planetary levels because I know you can't because Manhattan has one series in which he has few showings because of lack of opponents requiring it.
2) Prove that an ethereal plane would actually trap Manhattan and stop his Teleport again you can't because there is no showing on Manhattan that it would work.
3) Manhattan duplicates... Trap OVER 9000 Manhattan's in a board all of them with teleport and matter manip... Right...
Also self replicating matter manipulators where the strength as far as we know isn't divided equally amongst them rather they are perfect copies is no joke.
Bad thread to use Dr. Manhattan no one can prove one way or another the limit of his powers because he has no reason to show the extent of his powers in the Watchmen comics. Him not being able to shoot down the nukes was hypothetical as nuclear war was never going to occur that was Ozzy deliberately countering him. So someone saying that he couldn't shoot down all the nukes is bull because that was based on the fact that he saw a tachyon disruption in the future blocking his vision making him assume he would fail to stop the nuclear war. So I say just to make the people taking this moot point argument seriously rage moar Manhattan takes on all of Marvel and DC and takes the win. There... Try and prove it wrong with no showings of limits or weaknesses of Dr. Manhattan beyond Tachyon disruption which doesn't actually effect anything other than his vision of the future.
Mods stop the Dr. Manhattan threads they don't go anywhere.
Originally posted by Uriel005
1) Prove Manhattan isn't planetary levels because I know you can't because Manhattan has one series in which he has few showings because of lack of opponents requiring it.2) Prove that an ethereal plane would actually trap Manhattan and stop his Teleport again you can't because there is no showing on Manhattan that it would work.
3) Manhattan duplicates... Trap OVER 9000 Manhattan's in a board all of them with teleport and matter manip... Right...
Also self replicating matter manipulators where the strength as far as we know isn't divided equally amongst them rather they are perfect copies is no joke.
Bad thread to use Dr. Manhattan no one can prove one way or another the limit of his powers because he has no reason to show the extent of his powers in the Watchmen comics. Him not being able to shoot down the nukes was hypothetical as nuclear war was never going to occur that was Ozzy deliberately countering him. So someone saying that he couldn't shoot down all the nukes is bull because that was based on the fact that he saw a tachyon disruption in the future blocking his vision making him assume he would fail to stop the nuclear war. So I say just to make the people taking this moot point argument seriously rage moar Manhattan takes on all of Marvel and DC and takes the win. There... Try and prove it wrong with no showings of limits or weaknesses of Dr. Manhattan beyond Tachyon disruption which doesn't actually effect anything other than his vision of the future.
Mods stop the Dr. Manhattan threads they don't go anywhere.
Originally posted by King Kandy
You're just using a No Limit fallacy.
Give me a limit on him that says that he would lose. Tell me where his powers stop and I'll say that he is a viable character to use in discussion. The only limit actually imposed on him is tachyon disruption. Even the nuke thing isn't necessarily true because it was never going to happen as ozzy specifically countered him on future vision making him believe he couldn't stop the nukes.
So anyways give me one thing that says beyond that his powers have any limitations whatsoever
Originally posted by Uriel005
Give me a limit on him that says that he would lose. Tell me where his powers stop and I'll say that he is a viable character to use in discussion. The only limit actually imposed on him is tachyon disruption. Even the nuke thing isn't necessarily true because it was never going to happen as ozzy specifically countered him on future vision making him believe he couldn't stop the nukes.So anyways give me one thing that says beyond that his powers have any limitations whatsoever
Originally posted by Uriel005
1) Prove Manhattan isn't planetary levels because I know you can't because Manhattan has one series in which he has few showings because of lack of opponents requiring it.
1) One doesn't prove a negative, sport. Are you new here or don't you already know that? It's your burden to prove that his powers are indeed planetary in scale (such as worldwide matter manipulation or evolving a whole planet or even blowing up a whole planet would suffice). Until then, his best feats are where we derive the upper levels of his powers.
Originally posted by Uriel005
2) Prove that an ethereal plane would actually trap Manhattan and stop his Teleport again you can't because there is no showing on Manhattan that it would work.
2) Again, asking me to prove a negative. In comics, that Astral plane has always been an existence outside of our own physical bodies and function under a different set of rules. Fact is, the Surfer has been able to pull entities with powers far greater than his own into the Astral Plane to destroy them (See Silver Surfer: In thy Name). What showings does Dr. Manhattan have that has indicated that his abilities can function outside a different plane of existence (any would do)?
And btw, going "it wouldn't work because you need to prove that it can work SPECIFICALLY on this character from a different comic book universe" is a lame argumentation.
Originally posted by Uriel005
3) Manhattan duplicates... Trap OVER 9000 Manhattan's in a board all of them with teleport and matter manip... Right...Also self replicating matter manipulators where the strength as far as we know isn't divided equally amongst them rather they are perfect copies is no joke.
Actually, since neither one of them has prep, Surfer can just blitz him before he can react and then trap him in the board.
Oh, and what feats, pray tell, has these copies been able to do that proves that each is a perfect, undiminished copy of the original?
Originally posted by Uriel005
Bad thread to use Dr. Manhattan no one can prove one way or another the limit of his powers because he has no reason to show the extent of his powers in the Watchmen comics.
Translation: All you have is implied power and no feats to back it up.
Sadly, when you debate in this forum, you need to base your argumentations on proven feats, not implied abilities.
Originally posted by Uriel005his powers stop at the point he couldnt prevent nuclear holocaust or win the war for the USA, that's an upper limit right there (not to mention, he spent a week defeating the vietcong)
Give me a limit on him that says that he would lose. Tell me where his powers stop and I'll say that he is a viable character to use in discussion. The only limit actually imposed on him is tachyon disruption. Even the nuke thing isn't necessarily true because it was never going to happen as ozzy specifically countered him on future vision making him believe he couldn't stop the nukes.So anyways give me one thing that says beyond that his powers have any limitations whatsoever
Originally posted by 753
his powers stop at the point he couldnt prevent nuclear holocaust or win the war for the USA, that's an upper limit right there (not to mention, he spent a week defeating the vietcong)
Funny thing was, he was even using LETHAL force and had help from the US military when doing it. LOL.
Any low herald character would prolly need less than a few hours. :-/
Surfer would take less than an hour to defeat the Watchmen universe worldwide military, tbh.
