Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Lol, prove it. Show me quotes that say Kain's TK is based via the mind and not just another spell. Find me some quote that says vampires in LoK get TK naturally. Most of Kain's little abilities are nothing more than spells.Tossing someone upward would prove more difficult than to the sides, forward, or backward. Show me him doing it.
He does have a sword. And in order for little Raziel to "hack him to pieces" he would have to be within blade's reach. Hell, why don't you prove Raziel can even move that fast first. If you can prove this TK isn't magic, I'll give you that where he goes is up to Raziel. But, what he does is only up to himself. He's not helpless like you want to believe.
Yeah, he could. But why even bother? It doesn't take a whole lot to use the Lens of Truth. So why wait until he's falling? Especially if Raziel is going invisible first. That's a rather lengthy spell, right? He's used it while wielding both sword and shield before. Same with the mask.
I think your just getting upset again that you cant claim Link has some magic resistance therefore it does not work? yeh, I thought so. If you knew much of the series Kain gets mind powers genetically from the Hylden Seer, and mind raping from Marcus. Their not "spells".
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo2/darkgifts.php
The Seer offered some of her blood to Kain, and this enhanced his natural telekinetic ability.
TK was natural to Kain, sorcery is not TK, infact I dont recall any fiction where Tk is achieved through magic.
As for Raziel, he has no magic at all as I said, he gains telekinetic powers from Turel and from Morlock.
Wait a minute, give me the logic behind this? you dont seem to have much idea what TK is, creating a telekinetic hold over someone is what Raziel can do, what relevence does it make what direction hes move them in? thats his choice once he has the hold.
I dont have to prove the TK "isnt" magic, infact if I dont prove anything at all, it leaves the TK as a basic "feat" by itself and its origins are left unanswered not negated (ive answered you, its mental). Your the one who wants to prove its magic, you go and prove its magic.
haha, yes he is. Links helpless, he cant do anything while falling, hes not fast enough in reaction times to do anything, and Raziel can do this whole action while in Links blind spot anyway.
Its a lense, it looks like a manifying glass. Hes got 1 second to use it in to hope of even seeing Raziel, and thats assuming hes not disorientated, confusd etc like you would be after being thrown around. It takes around a second or so for the invisability spell to happen, what you dont realise is is that Raziel can blind Link altogether with the light reaver. Your probably talking about gameplay, I cant see how hes using a lense while wielding sword and shield.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Well, first I'd like to see Raziel move that fast ever.But you can twist your body around. And with either arm you could get a 360 range of motion. Link won't be airborne forever, he only needs to defend himself for, as BT put it, a second.
Yeh, because Raziel cant do it more than once, or as I said earlier just stick him in place helpless with "stasis"
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd like to see Link block a sword to the back while in mid-air. You can't turn around in the air after all.
😆 so would I!
Originally posted by Burning thought
I think your just getting upset again that you cant claim Link has some magic resistance therefore it does not work? yeh, I thought so. If you knew much of the series Kain gets mind powers genetically from the Hylden Seer, and mind raping from Marcus. Their not "spells".http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo2/darkgifts.php
TK was natural to Kain, sorcery is not TK, infact I dont recall any fiction where Tk is achieved through magic.
As for Raziel, he has no magic at all as I said, he gains telekinetic powers from Turel and from Morlock.
Nah. Based on a separate point I don't need to. Can they restrain something as strong as Link?
link-rape
Originally posted by Burning thought
Wait a minute, give me the logic behind this? you dont seem to have much idea what TK is, creating a telekinetic hold over someone is what Raziel can do, what relevence does it make what direction hes move them in? thats his choice once he has the hold.
Are you aware of the existence of gravity? I've seen fights between Kain and Raziel, where the best TK they do is a toss of several feet on characters with mass close to Link's, each other. With this short distance, any height they toss Link to would probably amount to...a jump. And I don't mean a Mario jump either, that's far too generous.
Originally posted by Burning thought
I dont have to prove the TK "isnt" magic, infact if I dont prove anything at all, it leaves the TK as a basic "feat" by itself and its origins are left unanswered not negated (ive answered you, its mental). Your the one who wants to prove its magic, you go and prove its magic.
I will remember this. Sounds like it could come in handy later.
Originally posted by Burning thought
haha, yes he is. Links helpless, he cant do anything while falling, hes not fast enough in reaction times to do anything, and Raziel can do this whole action while in Links blind spot anyway.
Light-ning! Of course, the TK won't do much to him anyway. I bet Link has jumped higher on his own.
Raziel is not fast enough to do this anywhere near as fast as he would have to.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Its a lense, it looks like a manifying glass. Hes got 1 second to use it in to hope of even seeing Raziel, and thats assuming hes not disorientated, confusd etc like you would be after being thrown around. It takes around a second or so for the invisability spell to happen, what you dont realise is is that Raziel can blind Link altogether with the light reaver. Your probably talking about gameplay, I cant see how hes using a lense while wielding sword and shield.
Point please? Raziel's sword looks like a pointy blue dildo. See? I can state the obvious as well.
1 second? Sounds like a crock. And he can do that easily, by the way.
Normal men might be confused/disoriented after being thrown around. And I recall once using this argument on Kain, I believe I was proving Ganon shitstomps him. Of course, you assured me that this point was entirely worthless. Yet now you've taken it for your own. Interesting. I'm told imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. But BT, flattery will get you nowhere with me!
And it takes less than a second for Link's lens of truth to take it's effect.
Say I was, what's wrong with using game play? You use it all the time, lol.
Originally posted by Burning thought
😆 so would I!
I would to. But Link would have to not have the Master Sword in his universe for that to happen.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Nah. Based on a separate point I don't need to. Can they restrain something as strong as Link?link-rape
Are you aware of the existence of gravity? I've seen fights between Kain and Raziel, where the best TK they do is a toss of several feet on characters with mass close to Link's, each other. With this short distance, any height they toss Link to would probably amount to...a jump. And I don't mean a Mario jump either, that's far too generous.
I will remember this. Sounds like it could come in handy later.
Light-ning! Of course, the TK won't do much to him anyway. I bet Link has jumped higher on his own.
Raziel is not fast enough to do this anywhere near as fast as he would have to.
Point please? Raziel's sword looks like a pointy blue dildo. See? I can state the obvious as well.
1 second? Sounds like a crock. And he can do that easily, by the way.
Normal men might be confused/disoriented after being thrown around. And I recall once using this argument on Kain, I believe I was proving Ganon shitstomps him. Of course, you assured me that this point was entirely worthless. Yet now you've taken it for your own. Interesting. I'm told imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. But BT, flattery will get you nowhere with me!
And it takes less than a second for Link's lens of truth to take it's effect.
Say I was, what's wrong with using game play? You use it all the time, lol.
I would to. But Link would have to not have the Master Sword in his universe for that to happen.
Link could only escape them if Raziel Tks his hands/arms. Thats about it, his body is light as a feather so tossing him like a rag doll or using "stasis" to hold him in place by, perhaps his neck? (whats he going to do? wriggle by his throat? lol).
Several feet? downplay much, and no the enemies Kain and Raziel move aorund with ease are usually knights wearing armour, not young men in green cloth.
Not for you, your not as cunning or tactical as I in an argument, anything you try and claim I will probably pick about with logical facts.
Yeh, youve found something that completly ruins Link chances of doing anything so you try and troll out of it.
Link has nowhere near the variety, strength and powers of Kain, hence why trying to TK Kain at all is worthless, its not the same with helpless Link.
Assuming Links holding it over his eye, maybe. Not likely going to succeed when hes lifted up and tossed about the room like a rag doll. I dont use illlgical gameplay mechanics.
The MS is irrelevant.
So in short, Raziel beats Link with TK, makes him as helpless as a lamb and slaughters said lamb, who could be blind due to the light reaver. This thread is spite because Link can do nothing to win. Blind lamb vs Soul wraith....
Originally posted by Burning thought
Link could only escape them if Raziel Tks his hands/arms. Thats about it, his body is light as a feather so tossing him like a rag doll or using "stasis" to hold him in place by, perhaps his neck? (whats he going to do? wriggle by his throat? lol).
Raziel kind of has to attempt to restrain Link's arms. If he doesn't and lifts him via the throat, he'll get shot. But you should help me out with this. Which arrow do you think will be more effective? An ice arrow, a fire arrow, or a light arrow? Perhaps even a regular arrow would suffice.
He could probably wriggle his neck free though.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Several feet? downplay much, and no the enemies Kain and Raziel move aorund with ease are usually knights wearing armour, not young men in green cloth.
No, I don't do a whole lot of downplaying. That is more your territory, I try not to flatter you as much as possible.
Hmm. There seems to be some sort of equipment that Link has that really might help with this. A very fresh fashion statement. Footwear, perhaps. Maybe even made of metal. And doesn't Link have some chain mail under his tunic, SP?
Though, with these boots, that would actually allow Link to land on his feet. But regardless, without them Link still isn't going very high. His feet will reach the height his head is normally at. A distance of 6 feet in the air. Threatening.
Oh, wait a minute. You tricky bastard. We're now assuming Raziel even has the ability to toss Link straight up!
Originally posted by Burning thought
Not for you, your not as cunning or tactical as I in an argument, anything you try and claim I will probably pick about with logical facts.
If this is replying to what I think it's replying to, then congratulations. Because you have made me lol.
But you do that a lot, so I suppose it isn't really an accomplishment.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Yeh, youve found something that completly ruins Link chances of doing anything so you try and troll out of it.
How about you address the point instead of insisting I did nothing but troll? Which will it be, were you full of shit all those threads ago, or will you drop this point?
Regardless, Link is not a normal man. A straight fall of six or so feet will not disorient him in the slightest. Nor will a throw of ten or so feet in a horizontal direction.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Link has nowhere near the variety, strength and powers of Kain, hence why trying to TK Kain at all is worthless, its not the same with helpless Link.
Not really. Kain requires movement in order to do other things. And he cannot hold someone with TK while doing other things. For someone who can, like Ganondorf, it's far easier to hold them in place and kick their ass. So you're right, Link is not the same as helpless Kain.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Assuming Links holding it over his eye, maybe. Not likely going to succeed when hes lifted up and tossed about the room like a rag doll. I dont use illlgical gameplay mechanics.
He doesn't have to hold it over his eye. It's been shown that he doesn't even hold on to it when using it. If he's being tossed all around the room, this is one hell of a small room. Where are they fighting, a jail cell?
I don't use game play mechanics either. But I do use game play, just like you do. 👆
Originally posted by Burning thought
The MS is irrelevant.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Perhaps you and I do not have the same definition for "irrelevant."
Originally posted by Burning thought
So in short, Raziel beats Link with TK, makes him as helpless as a lamb and slaughters said lamb, who could be blind due to the light reaver. This thread is spite because Link can do nothing to win.
I'm afraid not. But this thread is spite, just not in the way you think it is.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Raziel kind of has to attempt to restrain Link's arms. If he doesn't and lifts him via the throat, he'll get shot. But you should help me out with this. Which arrow do you think will be more effective? An ice arrow, a fire arrow, or a light arrow? Perhaps even a regular arrow would suffice.He could probably wriggle his neck free though.
No, I don't do a whole lot of downplaying. That is more your territory, I try not to flatter you as much as possible.
Hmm. There seems to be some sort of equipment that Link has that really might help with this. A very fresh fashion statement. Footwear, perhaps. Maybe even made of metal. And doesn't Link have some chain mail under his tunic, SP?
Though, with these boots, that would actually allow Link to land on his feet. But regardless, without them Link still isn't going very high. His feet will reach the height his head is normally at. A distance of 6 feet in the air. Threatening.
Oh, wait a minute. You tricky bastard. We're now assuming Raziel even has the ability to toss Link straight up!
If this is replying to what I think it's replying to, then congratulations. Because you have made me lol.
But you do that a lot, so I suppose it isn't really an accomplishment.
How about you address the point instead of insisting I did nothing but troll? Which will it be, were you full of shit all those threads ago, or will you drop this point?
Regardless, Link is not a normal man. A straight fall of six or so feet will not disorient him in the slightest. Nor will a throw of ten or so feet in a horizontal direction.
Not really. Kain requires movement in order to do other things. And he cannot hold someone with TK while doing other things. For someone who can, like Ganondorf, it's far easier to hold them in place and kick their ass. So you're right, Link is not the same as helpless Kain.
He doesn't have to hold it over his eye. It's been shown that he doesn't even hold on to it when using it. If he's being tossed all around the room, this is one hell of a small room. Where are they fighting, a jail cell?
I don't use game play mechanics either. But I do use game play, just like you do. 👆
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Perhaps you and I do not have the same definition for "irrelevant."
I'm afraid not. But this thread is spite, just not in the way you think it is.
Yeh right, because a blind Link is going to pull out a bow, arm an arrow and fire accuratly and thats assuming Raziel has not killed him long before then.
Chainmail vs fully armoured knights, hmmm I wonder. Link gets tossed around like a cat stuck in a hurricance.
Who said a straight fall of 6 feet? who said a straight fall for anything? nothing stops Raziel frmo tossing Link to the left, then to the right, while blinded from the light reaver and fumbling with a little lense of truth in the hope of seeing an invisible Raziel.....Link is chanceless and helpless.
Kinetic shackles says otherwise.
Not in the way I think it is? Ok, maybe Bloodrain or someone else can find many other ways for Raziel to tool Link sure but I think my way is one of the easiest and most likely examples. Also stop talking as if you have feats to suggest Link can do anything at this point, Nephthys brought up a good point. Link has never done anything while being thrown around like a rag doll, and he has few powers that could help him against invisability or being blinded while this is happening. Raziel can stack so many disadvantages on helpless link that its a worthless fight.
(waits patiently for a reply that counters or proves nothing)
Originally posted by Burning thought
Yeh right, because a blind Link is going to pull out a bow, arm an arrow and fire accuratly and thats assuming Raziel has not killed him long before then.
Very threatening. Especially since Raziel can't move that fast at all.
Why does Link rely on his vision though? He has displayed an ability to sense when people are around him, or he can hear them. Either will allow for a reaction.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Chainmail vs fully armoured knights, hmmm I wonder. Link gets tossed around like a cat stuck in a hurricance.
Iron Boots >. Interesting analogy though.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Who said a straight fall of 6 feet? who said a straight fall for anything? nothing stops Raziel frmo tossing Link to the left, then to the right, while blinded from the light reaver and fumbling with a little lense of truth in the hope of seeing an invisible Raziel.....Link is chanceless and helpless.
Oh, I did. You did. Left and right tosses accomplish nothing, just like any other toss.
Interesting though. How ****ing fast do you think Raziel is? Lol. Now you've got him using the Light Di--Reaver and going invisible all before Link does anything at all.
You wish, though.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Kinetic shackles says otherwise.
You should really start organizing posts more. I can't tell what this is supposed to be replying to. Mostly because you ignored about three different points.
Kinetic shackles help nothing. Link breaks them, and if they're not on his arm. He shoots his opponents, causing them to disappear anyway.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Not in the way I think it is? Ok, maybe Bloodrain or someone else can find many other ways for Raziel to tool Link sure but I think my way is one of the easiest and most likely examples. Also stop talking as if you have feats to suggest Link can do anything at this point, Nephthys brought up a good point. Links [b]never dont anything by being thrown around like a rag doll, and he has few powers that could help him against invisability or being blinded while this is happening. Raziel can stack so many disadvantages on helpless link that its a worthless fight. [/B]
That's right.
Lol, Link does have feats to suggest he can do things. Nephthys' point requires Link to not have the motion range of a normal human. And Link to to be falling for more than a second, not happening.
Worthless Raziel can't do anything. I don't know why you still seem to think so.
Originally posted by Burning thought
(waits patiently for a reply that counters or proves nothing)
Well if you're waiting for one of those you'll be waiting for a long time.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Very threatening. Especially since Raziel can't move that fast at all.Why does Link rely on his vision though? He has displayed an ability to sense when people are around him, or he can hear them. Either will allow for a reaction.
Iron Boots >. Interesting analogy though.
Oh, I did. You did. Left and right tosses accomplish nothing, just like any other toss.
Interesting though. How ****ing fast do you think Raziel is? Lol. Now you've got him using the Light Di--Reaver and going invisible all before Link does anything at all.
You wish, though.
You should really start organizing posts more. I can't tell what this is supposed to be replying to. Mostly because you ignored about three different points.
Kinetic shackles help nothing. Link breaks them, and if they're not on his arm. He shoots his opponents, causing them to disappear anyway.
That's right.
Lol, Link does have feats to suggest he can do things. Nephthys' point requires Link to not have the motion range of a normal human. And Link to to be falling for more than a second, not happening.
Worthless Raziel can't do anything. I don't know why you still seem to think so.
Well if you're waiting for one of those you'll be waiting for a long time.
Hes faster than Link, and more agile. He can leap what? 3/4 meters in a second, considering the whole action is under Raziels control and he could just keep Link from being able to do anything using Tk until hes within range it means little.
Yeh right, show me the feat? because I dont see anything showing Link accuratly fireing an arrow at someone just by listening their footsteps.
If hes wearing iron Boots then he can hardly move anyway and this will ony keep him on the ground, not that Raziels TK strength has not bested things heavier than the iron boots.
Accomplish nothing? what a random and pointless statement/claim, you did not even try and give a reason, you just said it does not accomplish anything. I would imagine disorientating the poor boy, stopping him from turning or hardly moving and using any equipment with any real success is damn useful.
Faster than Link, and the light reaver or the dark reaver will make Link useless, how ****ing fast do you think Link is? fast enough to pull out a bow, aim a shot and fire while hes being thrown around like a doll? your claims are unfounded and dont really make any sense. The dark and light reavers take about a second each, thats hardly any time at all if Link is apprently wearing the Iron boots in your example lol.
That was concerning the whole "unlike Kain Ganon can move using TK" sort of thing. Its the same with "stasis" with Raziel. Yeh because Links swivelling round by his neck, with his bow, targeting someone whos agile, leaps many meters in seconds while invisible. Link could be blind during this as well...you really dont have a case.
Nephthys point actually considers logic, someone cant, certainly not with Links human reactions times and while being tossed around turn around to counter an opponet striking in a blind spot. Its an outrageous and unbacked claim to say he can.
Again, as I said above, "unbacked, random claim".
Its funny, you make some good examples of how I was correct. The "worthless Raziel cant do anything" baseless claim despite a long list of things he can do is kinda exactly what I expected, as is "tosses accomplish nothing" when its clear Link cant do anything when hes being thrown around.
Also whats stopping Raziel from just snapping Links bow when he pulls it out? (somehow hes pulling out a bow while floating by his neck...) I dont see how link survives the shackles tbh, his bodyweight may break his neck or choke him. Hes not had to face anything like this and his powers/abilities have no logical way for him to do anything against Raziel using aformentioned tactics.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Hes faster than Link, and more agile. He can leap what? 3/4 meters in a second, considering the whole action is under Raziels control and he could just keep Link from being able to do anything using Tk until hes within range it means little.
Lol. Real impressive. Definitely nothing Link has dealt with before. He's just dealt with crap that's better.
Raziel can't attack while holding someone in place. And, as I've said before, holding Link's arms will simply cause him to break them via superior strength. Not holding them will get Raziel shot. TK is a pointless endeavor.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Yeh right, show me the feat? because I dont see anything showing Link accuratly fireing an arrow at someone just by listening their footsteps.
So now he has to fire an arrow? Sword will work just fine. Link has an innate ability to sense evil in many games, for one. In Ocarina of Time he notices Sheik appear behind him without making a noise.
Originally posted by Burning thought
If hes wearing iron Boots then he can hardly move anyway and this will ony keep him on the ground, not that Raziels TK strength has not bested things heavier than the iron boots.
So now he has to move? Jeez man. All he really needs is to swing a sword, which he can do quite easily.
It hasn't bested heavier than the Iron Boots.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Accomplish nothing? what a random and pointless statement/claim, you did not even try and give a reason, you just said it does not accomplish anything. I would imagine disorientating the poor boy, stopping him from turning or hardly moving and using any equipment with any real success is damn useful.
Well, via the Iron Boots, Link will land on his feet. And what good is a toss of a few feet anyway. Your hope was for disorientation or confusion. Neither of which will happen with that.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Faster than Link, and the light reaver or the dark reaver will make Link useless, how ****ing fast do you think Link is? fast enough to pull out a bow, aim a shot and fire while hes being thrown around like a doll? your claims are unfounded and dont really make [b]any sense. The dark and light reavers take about a second each, thats hardly any time at all if Link is apprently wearing the Iron boots in your example lol. [/B]
Lol. There you go with that thrown around like a doll again thing. Well, the interesting point is, he probably could fire off an accurate shot while being thrown the ten or so feet. He's an accomplished horseback archer. And I'm pretty damn sure a horse like Epona can get moving faster than those tosses.
Originally posted by Burning thought
That was concerning the whole "unlike Kain Ganon can move using TK" sort of thing. Its the same with "stasis" with Raziel. Yeh because Links swivelling round by his neck, with his bow, targeting someone whos agile, leaps many meters in seconds while invisible. Link could be blind during this as well...you really dont have a case.
Except that Raziel isn't fast enough to make all of that happen. And Link can't be held still while Raziel is leaping around, because Raziel has never displayed this ability. Well, if he has you haven't shown me. I'm only an expert on Kain with all the crap you've tried to claim, Raziel is new territory.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Nephthys point actually considers logic, someone cant, certainly not with Links human reactions times and while being tossed around turn around to counter an opponet striking in a blind spot. Its an outrageous and unbacked claim to say he can.
They can. Do you realize that a human could react to Raziel's leap? After all, Kain did it.
And what you still don't seem to get is that he really doesn't have to. All he really needs is to defend himself. Link is not remaining airborne forever. Raziel is not leaping around at his fastest while holding Link by his neck, if Raziel is even moving at all. And if he's stupid enough to try and move closely, Link will shoot him.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Again, as I said above, "unbacked, random claim".
Again, as I said above, you are incorrect.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Also whats stopping Raziel from just snapping Links bow when he pulls it out? (somehow hes pulling out a bow while floating by his neck...) I dont see how link survives the shackles tbh, his bodyweight may break his neck or choke him. Hes not had to face anything like this and his powers/abilities have no logical way for him to do anything against Raziel using aformentioned tactics.
The fact that if he's close enough to do that he's just going to eat a sword instead of an arrow.
Ah, the TK would have to be strong enough to choke him to do that. And he would have to be heavy enough to snap his neck. I believe earlier it was established that Link probably isn't even being lifted when wearing the Iron Boots.
Interesting, a bold, baseless and un-backed claim. Wasn't I just yelled at for those?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Lol. Real impressive. Definitely nothing Link has dealt with before. He's just dealt with crap that's better.Raziel can't attack while holding someone in place. And, as I've said before, holding Link's arms will simply cause him to break them via superior strength. Not holding them will get Raziel shot. TK is a pointless endeavor.
So now he has to fire an arrow? Sword will work just fine. Link has an innate ability to sense evil in many games, for one. In Ocarina of Time he notices Sheik appear behind him without making a noise.
So now he has to move? Jeez man. All he really needs is to swing a sword, which he can do quite easily.
It hasn't bested heavier than the Iron Boots.
Well, via the Iron Boots, Link will land on his feet. And what good is a toss of a few feet anyway. Your hope was for disorientation or confusion. Neither of which will happen with that.
Lol. There you go with that thrown around like a doll again thing. Well, the interesting point is, he probably could fire off an accurate shot while being thrown the ten or so feet. He's an accomplished horseback archer. And I'm pretty damn sure a horse like Epona can get moving faster than those tosses.
Except that Raziel isn't fast enough to make all of that happen. And Link can't be held still while Raziel is leaping around, because Raziel has never displayed this ability. Well, if he has you haven't shown me. I'm only an expert on Kain with all the crap you've tried to claim, Raziel is new territory.
They can. Do you realize that a human could react to Raziel's leap? After all, Kain did it.
And what you still don't seem to get is that he really doesn't have to. All he really needs is to defend himself. Link is not remaining airborne forever. Raziel is not leaping around at his fastest while holding Link by his neck, if Raziel is even moving at all. And if he's stupid enough to try and move closely, Link will shoot him.
Again, as I said above, you are incorrect.
The fact that if he's close enough to do that he's just going to eat a sword instead of an arrow.
Ah, the TK would have to be strong enough to choke him to do that. And he would have to be heavy enough to snap his neck. I believe earlier it was established that Link probably isn't even being lifted when wearing the Iron Boots.
Interesting, a bold, baseless and un-backed claim. Wasn't I just yelled at for those?
Show me? show me Link beating someone who can toss him round like a rag doll, control his movements , blind him and move quicker than him.
Wrong, stasis. Not holding them will get Links bow destroyed as he swivels around, you did not technically counter this.
Your the one who brought it up....sword? I lold, hes floating in the air by his neck and hes going to turn to fight someone invisible while he may be blind himself...good one. So?
What while being tossed around? while being blind? Raziel can attack from so many angles and disrupt link in some many powers.
Iron boots are light, Raziels knocked the same blocks he used to flip in the old feats with TK, which would be putting his TK strength at like 50 tons.
So? land on his feet? thats not the point of this, the point is that hes going to be in the air for a lot of the time, not being able to accuratly use his powers or abilities. Hes not going to be at any positon of strength.
What? apprently fireing an arrow from the back of a horse is the same as flying through the air, maybe upside down or spinning....its nothing alike.
Yes he is, 1 second is all he needs....and Links chances are little-nothing, when has Link fired at someone who moves like Raziel with any success? while blind (or while Raziel is invisible). Raziel and Kains TK attacks are exactly the same by the end.
Only at that point, Raziel had no tossed Kain with Tk while invisible...theres a different to the scenes, it still shows Raziels agility and speed, he can react to his own Tks especialyl when he is in control
Not airborne forever? theres no reason why not, I dont see a reason for Raziel to stop chucking link, only to slash him in half from a blind spot. The only time hes not going to be airborn is when his two halves of his body drop besides Raziel swallowing his soul.
Ok, quote where your evidence is?
What claim is bold exactly? Tking Links neck? 🙄 , snapping links bow? how durable do you think this bow is? one shot of TK and it snaps if its not got any feats.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Show me? show me Link beating someone who can toss him round like a rag doll, control his movements , blind him and move quicker than him.
Ganondorf. Zant. Just about any boss monster he's fought before can do one of the above, some two and a few, all.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Wrong, [b]stasis. Not holding them will get Links bow destroyed as he swivels around, you did not technically counter this.[/B]
Alright, I'll bite. What is stasis supposed to be since it apparently isn't what I thought it was.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Your the one who brought it up....sword? I lold, hes floating in the air by his neck and hes going to turn to fight someone invisible while he may be blind himself...good one. So?
Yeah. I mentioned the hearing and sensing, right? And again, he doesn't have to turn. All he really needs is one hit and he'd cut Raziel in half. Of course he can't hold anyone still anyway.
Here's a new idea. Show me Raziel focusing any TK on just one area of the body instead of the whole.
Originally posted by Burning thought
What while being tossed around? while being blind? Raziel can attack from so many angles and disrupt link in some many powers.
Yeah. Probably. Lol. You've made it a point to argue that Link will be hit from his blind spot.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Iron boots are light, Raziels knocked the same blocks he used to flip in the old feats with TK, which would be putting his TK strength at like 50 tons.
Iron Boots weigh more like 70 tons.
Originally posted by Burning thought
So? land on his feet? thats not the point of this, the point is that hes going to be in the air for a lot of the time, not being able to accuratly use his powers or abilities. Hes not going to be at any positon of strength.
Yeah. Kind of put a shot in your disorientation hope. But suddenly the point has changed. You afraid of being wrong?
I disagree. For one I've only seen LoK's TK used within the general vicinity. So once Raziel tosses Link, he's probably out of range. And again, pointless endeavor is pointless.
Originally posted by Burning thought
What? apprently fireing an arrow from the back of a horse is the same as flying through the air, maybe upside down or spinning....its nothing alike.
Yeah, and it can even be better when the horse bounces up and down and moves even faster than the flight through the air would be.
Wouldn't mind seeing Raziel toss something into a spin or upside down.
I agree. It's nothing alike at all.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Yes he is, 1 second is all he needs....and Links chances are little-nothing, when has Link fired at someone who moves like Raziel with any success? while blind (or while Raziel is invisible). Raziel and Kains TK attacks are exactly the same by the end.
He needs a hell of a lot more than one second. He is not that fast. Poes on horseback. He doesn't have to be blind, since Raziel really isn't that fast anyway. Raziel does not have the time for all these things that you want to happen, lol.
And that's kind of what I was counting on.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Only at that point, Raziel had no tossed Kain with Tk while invisible...theres a different to the scenes, it still shows Raziels agility and speed, he can react to his own Tks especialyl when he is in control
Really don't know what this is supposed to prove. Raziel's agility really isn't that great though.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Not airborne forever? theres no reason why not, I dont see a reason for Raziel to stop chucking link, only to slash him in half from a blind spot. The only time hes not going to be airborn is when his two halves of his body drop besides Raziel swallowing his soul.
I do. Limited distance. Arrow in his body. Link isn't being affected by anything he hits. Pick one.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Ok, quote where your evidence is?
Evidence for what?
Originally posted by Burning thought
What claim is bold exactly? Tking Links neck? 🙄 , snapping links bow? how durable do you think this bow is? one shot of TK and it snaps if its not got any feats.
It's durable enough to survive Link using it. It isn't snapping for Raziel's TK or his arms.
Don't want to start something but I don't get how just because Zant didn't use TK on Link means he cant. We never even see him attempt and/or no shock from his powers not working on him especially as he doesn't even know if the MS can block TK or not, which would loop back to him having to try and be shocked etc. (Dorf doesn't know this either as OoTDorf didnt use TK offensively.)