Raziel vs OOT Link

Since as long as I've been around, that is what it's been used for.

Well it shouldnt be, if Tk is being used it means its "mind movement", if TK is not said however yet your moving someone around with something that looks like Tk then it is not necesserily TK.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
That's not unlikely.... Going back to FF7 again, Sephy uses TK on the entire party before the boss battle, where he never uses it again. CIS or PIS, whatever you'd like to call it.

So, even if TK is neutral(as both good guys and bad guys can use it), it won't work if used by someone evil?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Indeed. Lightning isn't inherently evil, it works on that. The fog in the twilight realm is also not evil, it simply changes you because the twilight realm is fun times.

Reflecting magic is kind of the thing the master sword does. And Ganon's lightning probably falls under the title of "evil" magic. And I think "Dark Magic" probably falls under the things the master sword protects from, which the Twilight Realm seems to be filled with. Though, I just learned that from a wiki.

YouTube video

Oh, wow. Is that Link firing arrows while getting tossed around and fighting an invisible opponent?

I'll be damned.

No not really, thats a huge and obvious entity that hardly moves, his main attacks being his hands that dont actually go invisible. Also tossed is different than bouncing a foot or two into the air. Although, Link is not blind in this area either.

Also I assume thats the lense of truth? he has to look through a small magnifying glass it seems to see through invisability. Hes not going to be able to keep hold of it, or indeed much of anything when being tossed around.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No not really, thats a huge and obvious entity that hardly moves, his main attacks being his hands that dont actually go invisible. Also tossed is different than bouncing a foot or two into the air. Although, Link is not blind in this area either.

Of course, the large enemy is, in fact, invisible. Raziel will be just as visible as the hands in any case. But it also proves that Link can fight in mid air.

Also I assume thats the lense of truth? he has to look through a small magnifying glass it seems to see through invisability. Hes not going to be able to keep hold of it, or indeed much of anything when being tossed around.

It takes two hands to use a bow. If the lens needed to be held, Link could not have canonically beaten Bongo Bongo. So he doesn't need to hold it.

I tried telling him that. But he doesn't listen.

I think anyone can fight in "mid air", or in this case a few feet up vertically. Its pretty much as high as a jump.

Thats not much of an argument, its circular, I could argue the opposite and say he does not need a bow because he was holding the magnifying glass and therefore could not hold a bow. It works both ways, fact is we know he needed it, for all you know canonically he took a look with the lense and then fired his bow into the area (the main body of the boss does not move that fast).

So soon, Raziel will be invisible because Link will be fumbling iwth his little lense, trying to see Raziel and even thats probably pretty useless because if your on the edge of the glass your still invisbile. he would have to pretty much have to look almost straight at him. It would be a damn shame if Raziel just smashed it with a wave of his hand.

Actually, I'm pretty sure it's impossible to harm Bongo Bongo without the lens activated.

But look at that. You did exactly what I said you would do. When faced with a video, you would ignore the very thing you see.

I cant ignore it if I am talking about something from the actual video. If I ignored it, I would not know what the lense looks like, how the "fight in the air" evidence looked and I would not be able to call it insufficient in comparison to being propelled left or right.

You saw Link firing an arrow while using the Lens of Truth and being tossed around, and then insisted that Link did not use the Lens of Truth and the Bow and Arrow at the same time.

Yeah, you totally paid attention.

Oh gameplay mechanics? your saying because I did not accept the gameplay mechanics as the canon representation of how it works in a real light situation that I ignored the video?

The lense of truth is a magnifying glass, the fact in the gameplay you activate it like a power-up or that you can pull objects in seconds out of your ass/hammerspace does not account in a real canon battleground. Mechanics like this are irrelevant.

Wait a minute. So you're saying that, in this case, a realistic case of what would happen could not be shown? EXTREMELY INTERESTING!

I wonder if...yes! This concept can apply to several things! Among them is Link reacting to lightning.

Of course, the Lens of Truth is never actually explained how it works. For all you know all you have to do is touch the damn thing and instantly see the truth. Or you just look through it once and can put it away.

We don't know. So I think I'll go with what we see.

Its shown, just not clearly. The effect of making it look like your looking through a glass is pretty good considering the time the game was made.

You probably can look throught it once, and once youve seen the truth you have a rough idea of where the opponent is, only needing to get it again if the opponent is fast. Like Raziel.... 😉

We know what the object is, a looking glass that allows you to see the "truth" of things.

You can know what something is and still not know how it's used. Especially when it's something like a magical artifact.

Of course we know how its used, you look through it, hence why its a "looking glass". We cannot assume anything illogical.

You know, you're right. We do know how it's used.

You assign it to either <, ^, or > and press one in order to use it. Or is it <, v, and >. I forget. I think it's v. ^ seems to remind me of not paying attention for some reason.

in the gameplay mechanics. Are you bringing up gameplay controls for any real reason?

Yeah.

That's how it's used. I don't see anything about having to look through it.