Since when did you provide evidence at all for durability or speed? lol, I plug my ears when you talk about assumptions, fanon and illogical fallacious opinions sure but there has been no evidence.
Bloodrain have you seen this durability yet? or this speed? if Paste refuses to debate then perhaps you have seen it?
Thats not evidence, thats you claiming something. And I countered your "Ganon fight" claim with how the sword which is extremely light only goes a few meters distance. Furthermore its not gaugable, we dont even know if Link got cought off-guard with that glancing blow, or if the gauntlets are armoured enough to protect him from that kind of damage on his arms like Bloodrain pointed out.
The lightning bolts thing is not a feat, its your assumption.
Also, how do I make screenshots? I admit i used to know but now I am trying, I cant get it to work goddamit....
Thats not evidence, thats you claiming something. And I countered your "Ganon fight" claim with how the sword which is extremely light only goes a few meters distance.Already covered: Link needed to retrieve it.
The lightning bolts thing is not a feat, its your assumption.No, it's canon fact he shoosts lightning, and canon fact Link reflects it with his sword. You're assuming otherwise out of bias.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
His body clearly can, as it supported the pillar with the same ease his arms did.Also, Midna's not omniscient, and we've already seen the sword > that specific curse, Link can /allow/ himself to be changed, and Ganon > fog, so ... Yeah. Gameplay obstacle is gameplay. 😐
You ready to let BT know his math is flawed yet?
Doubt his body can is at a 700ton level if his arms without enhancements aren't. Ganon hits the magically enhanced arms, his body needs its own feat.
Its not a matter if he allows it or not or Midna wouldn't of warned him not to touch it.
What math, been purposely trying to ignore most of what you two have been saying with calcs :3
Thats an assumption from you, an assumption that the sole reason it was not launched across hyrule was because the developers made this exception. Thats not evidence, my evidence is that it actually happened. Maybe I can argue Link only lifts up pillars because "has to get past them for the plot!"? if that kind of logic works, double edge.
No its not, when is it said its lightning? also Cole shoots lightning, both natural and in orb form, you cant just assume its not as fast as you want it to be simply because a player cant react to lightning. DMC has bullets constantly fired and their not slow orbs moving towards you, but players cant react to bullets! 😱
Originally posted by BloodRain
Doubt his body can is at a 700ton level if his arms without enhancements aren't. Ganon hits the magically enhanced arms, his body needs its own feat.Its not a matter if he allows it or not or Midna wouldn't of warned him not to touch it.
What math, been purposely trying to ignore most of what you two have been saying with calcs :3
Midna is not omniscient, and this cutscene illustrates sword > curse.
Then why did you feed BT math on the last page? Go check. I proved 1 m/s, AND that he 300 kj is actually too much for Raz. >_> You gave BT calcs and commented on the speed of the lift, this is your mess, take responsibility.
or this comes under the "illogical" format, me and Bardock and agreed to in the other thread, where nothing is explained or mensioned and is unproportional to the rest of the game. But as I said, Ganons strength+sword= few meters.
Also to disprove your ridiculous shots youve taken, such as a failed animation in the first one, which is no wonder why someone would think it took 2 seconds rather than less than one:
Observe- Raziel before he begins to lift, but as hes ready at 3:31:
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And this is the feat accomplished at 3:31:
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Ofc, being you and trying to downplay LoK you took images of a failed animation and at the end, took an image of him standing up as he pushes it away. I apologise for the size of the shots but at least they dont stretch the page.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Actually he is. As evidenced by the feat. Either the gauntlets improve his whole body, or his whole body was already ossim. Doesn't matter.Midna is not omniscient, and this cutscene illustrates sword > curse.
Then why did you feed BT math on the last page? Go check. I proved 1 m/s, AND that he 300 kj is actually too much for Raz. >_> You gave BT calcs and commented on the speed of the lift, this is your mess, take responsibility.
And later it proves that both forms can change him at will.
Like I said I wasnt reading it all. Truthly the pics drew me in like a moth to a flame `,` saw it and commented. And I only gave him calcs yesterday.
Responsibility? Id rather cause chaos and see how things play out. Was interesting to see how me calcing this started a thread, debate on off-topic and started off the toonforce thing 😊
Edit: Size BT, size .__.
at 3:31 is before he even starts pulling it up. In my second image, hes already got it up, it turns 3:32 as he pushes it forwards. The most Raziel can take is perhaps half a second. I admit Raziel does not hold it his whole body height in that time, but Bloodrains number of 2/3 is more or less close enough.
Thats not what screenshots tell us period. It travels more than a meter and in less time than you want to belive.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
And here's where it gets hilarious, you actually claimed Raziel is weaker , against cutscenes, screenshots, game knowledge and two lots of math. haermm GJ.
Gonna outdo BT with an EVEN BIGGAR SCREENCAPS TO BURST YOUR EYES WITH.
:-p
Dunno who this hurts or helps, just posting a more in-depth sequence of events. As we can see by the first 3:32 image, that is the moment when the weight first completely 'settles' on Raziel, as you can see Raziel's back is closer to us than in the last 3:31 image. And then he starts pushing.
But he has finished pulling it up by 3:31 in the 6th image, by 3:32, he starts to push forwards. 3:30 for you is even further before Raziel even starts pulling up on the obelisk than my one at 3:31 in the first image.
Raziels height he lifts and speed in which he pulls it up changes in comparison to Screampastes, whos measurements make Raziel a dwarf, and are slightly slower (full second, rather than a fraction as my shots show).
Why is this still being argued, its irrelevant until someone actually SHOWS Link taking any real damage. Raziel has a vast amount of power in his hands, Link currently has the durability to withstand something that can knock a light sword a few meters, anyone got a better feat?
Originally posted by Burning thoughtBoth mine AND CC's shots show Raziel is crosuhed for the first portion, IE, it was only one meter, Raziel is not a dwarf, that is simply not his full height.
But he has finished pulling it up by 3:31 in the 6th image, by 3:32, he starts to push forwards. 3:30 for you is even further before Raziel even starts pulling up on the obelisk than my one at 3:31 in the first image.Raziels height he lifts and speed in which he pulls it up changes in comparison to Screampastes, whos measurements make Raziel a dwarf, and are slightly slower (full second, rather than a fraction as my shots show).
Your screenshots were intentionally taken to make it appear faster than it is. Period.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Both mine AND CC's shots show Raziel is crosuhed for the first portion, IE, it was only one meter, Raziel is not a dwarf, that is simply not his full height.Your screenshots were intentionally taken to make it appear faster than it is. Period.
😆 , wut? then perhaps your screenshots were taken to make it appear slower than it was period...your making daft assumptions period in more than just this sequence.
CC shots show he was crouched in the first portion, but thats not the case when hes pulled it up fully. Its over half his height. Not 1 meter.....
