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Skyfathers vs Cube Beings...
Its common knowledge that a Cube Being is two 2 tiers higher than a Skyfather...
With that said, I am interested in knowing how that might translate with actual numbers. So my question is this: how many Skyfather level beings would it take to equal the power of a Cube Being?
Or rather let me ask the question like this: how many Odins would it take to equal the power of Kubik?
In my honest opinion, it would take more than 10...
Edit: (forgot my own guidelines...doh!) I would guess atleast 25...and thats going by my assumption (and its nothing more than an assumption) that it should take 5-10 Skyfathers to equal an Elder God and 5-10 Elder Gods to equal a Cube Being.
Obviously I took the low end of my guesses in both cases...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
In my honest opinion, it would take more than 10...Edit: (forgot my own guidelines...doh!) I would guess atleast 25...and thats going by my assumption (and its nothing more than an assumption) that it should take 5-10 Skyfathers to equal an Elder God and 5-10 Elder Gods to equal a Cube Being.
Obviously I took the low end of my guesses in both cases...
How would an average celestial fit into that equation? Just curious.
Originally posted by Mrblondethe most powerful elder gods like demogorge, chthon, oshtur, set, Rune King Thor
Really ? What in between Cube Beings and Skyfathers,Elder Gods ?
it depends
how many odins would=demogorge or rune king thor?
how many demogorges/ or rune king thors would=kubic?
Rune king thor Pwned like 6 skyfathers
Demogorge could most likely take all of them at the same time
Originally posted by Kasper Gutmani think agamotto is above "elder god power level"
I think the line can blur somewhat between some Elder Gods and Cube beings. For instance, Kubik would do squat to Agamotto in his realm.
kubic himself called him a ascended one
but i dont think it would take 10 elder gods to = a cube being
because merlyn who is cube level had much trouble with chthon
Originally posted by Mshinu
How would an average celestial fit into that equation? Just curious.
As you already know, Kubik stated that a lone Celestial is "several orders of magnitude" more powerful than himself; meaning that a lone Celestial is atleast 100 times more powerful he is...
I truly believe that was hyperbole on Kubiks part as the average Celestial has no feats to suggest they are that far above him...10 times I could buy, but 100 or more!? No way...gotta be hyperbole.
I do, however, believe there should be atleast a x10 gap between Cube Being and Low Abstract...so with that said:
Above Cube Beings should be (IMHO...in order to make everything fit) Abstracts and High End Cosmic Beings; 3 orders of Abstracts/High End Cosmics should suffice:
Low: Love, Hate, Average Celestial.
Mid: Inbetweener, Galactus, Powerful Celestials.
High: Death, Order, Chaos.
Then should come the "GOD" (Supreme Being) tier:
Low: Eternity (logically I think Eternity belongs here, but he jobs so often that he doesnt seem this powerful most of the time), Full Power Galactus.
Mid: Infinity Gauntlet.
High: Living Tribunal, Heart of the Infinite.
Then comes TOAA as the true Supreme Being in comics...
One wonders just what all these Celestial and Abstract beings do.
I mean, Eternity, Galactus, Death, Order the actual concepts, you know what they're up to. They're existing in balance with each other and counteracting their opposite, yadda yadda.
But Celestials? What do they do all day with all that power? There's dozens to hundreds of above-cube level beings who just stand around and look Kirby-esque!
Originally posted by Kasper Gutman
I think the line can blur somewhat between some Elder Gods and Cube beings. For instance, Kubik would do squat to Agamotto in his realm.
I am not sure about that as, from my point of view, Galactus jobbed bigtime to Agamotto; case in point:
1) Galactus's cosmic senses should have immediately alerted him to the fact that he wasnt facing a "mere catapillar" when he encountered Agamotto...
2) With his level of awareness (when Doom had Galactus's power he was immediately aware of every thought from every being on the planet), as soon as Strange realized that physical attacks wouldnt work on Agamotto, Galactus should have instantly been aware of this as well and changed his tactics immediately...Galactus really should know this sort of thing from the get-go IMHO.
When you add that up, I think its pretty easy to see that Galactus jobbed in that fight...
If a Cube Being isnt jobbing, then I think they use the appropiate tactics and crush any Elder God level foe they come to blows with...
Originally posted by Q99
One wonders just what all these Celestial and Abstract beings do.I mean, Eternity, Galactus, Death, Order the actual concepts, you know what they're up to. They're existing in balance with each other and counteracting their opposite, yadda yadda.
But Celestials? What do they do all day with all that power? There's dozens to hundreds of above-cube level beings who just stand around and look Kirby-esque!
Given what their cosmic "jobs" appear to be, IMHO, they are way overpowered...
Celestials seem to be responsible for creating and experimenting with different forms of life (sentient beings to be exact)...
Thus it makes sense to me that they are able to manipulate and control matter/energy on a large scale as a given planet that must host life must be within its Galaxies GHZ (Galactic Habitable Zone) and its Solar Systems Habitable Zone...
Since conditions to host advance life must fall within such extremely small parameters, then them moving objects of planetary and solar mass around at will makes perfect sense...
What doesnt make sense is them having Galaxy busting power and them being able to affect things on a universal scale as that sort of thing clearly requires more power than their "job" requires them to possess...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I am not sure about that as, from my point of view, Galactus jobbed bigtime to Agamotto; case in point:1) Galactus's cosmic senses should have immediately alerted him to the fact that he wasnt facing a "mere catapillar" when he encountered Agamotto...
2) With his level of awareness (when Doom had Galactus's power he was immediately aware of every thought from every being on the planet), as soon as Strange realized that physical attacks wouldnt work on Agamotto, Galactus should have instantly been aware of this as well and changed his tactics immediately...Galactus really should know this sort of thing from the get-go IMHO.
When you add that up, I think its pretty easy to see that Galactus jobbed in that fight...
If a Cube Being isnt jobbing, then I think they use the appropiate tactics and crush any Elder God level foe they come to blows with...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Given what their cosmic "jobs" appear to be, IMHO, they are way overpowered...Celestials seem to be responsible for creating and experimenting with different forms of life (sentient beings to be exact)...
Thus it makes sense to me that they are able to manipulate and control matter/energy on a large scale as a given planet that must host life must be within its Galaxies GHZ (Galactic Habitable Zone) and its Solar Systems Habitable Zone...
Since conditions to host advance life must fall within such extremely small parameters, then them moving objects of planetary and solar mass around at will makes perfect sense...
What doesnt make sense is them having Galaxy busting power and them being able to affect things on a universal scale as that sort of thing clearly requires more power than their "job" requires them to possess...
IMO based on feats individual Celestials (with the possible exceptions of the big names like Tiamut, Exitar, TOAA, and Arishem) are Elder God level. Or at best they warrant their own tier in between Elder God and Cube Being: Celestial Tier.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderhe was wandering the planes of existance and met multiple abstract level guys and he called inbetweener agamotto and some other guys (i think galactus also) "ascended ones"
Context please...what exactly does "ascended" mean?Or rather, why did Kubiks use of that word make you believe that being "ascended" automatically places one above Cube level?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Its for this reason that I tend to treat the Kubik statement as hyperbole.IMO based on feats individual Celestials (with the possible exceptions of the big names like Tiamut, Exitar, TOAA, and Arishem) are Elder God level. Or at best they warrant their own tier in between Elder God and Cube Being: Celestial Tier.
Based purely on feats (and thus not implied power or power based on statements) I agree with this...
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
he was wandering the planes of existance and met multiple abstract level guys and he called inbetweener agamotto and some other guys (i think galactus also) "ascended ones"
Not that I disagree that Galactus and the Inbetweener are more powerful than Kubik (as I firmly believe those guys are...or rather should be...more powerful than Kubik is; Agamotto, not sure as I consider the Galactus fight PIS...so I need something more accurate to gauge his power level upon), but just because you refer to someone as ascended, doesnt mean you automatically make them out to be more powerful than yourself.