I don't know why people claim Galactus is above Celestials.
Celestials were considered to be above all the previous Universal powers when they were introduced. I'm not claiming that their that high up the food chain anymore, but what evidence exists to suggest Galactus is above Celestials? Everything I've seen points to the contrary.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't know why people claim Galactus is above Celestials.Celestials were considered to be above all the previous Universal powers when they were introduced. I'm not claiming that their that high up the food chain anymore, but what evidence exists to suggest Galactus is above Celestials? Everything I've seen points to the contrary.
Celestials >>>> Odin on panel, so if you make it as if the Celestials are >> Galactus you have an argument that Odin is comparable.
You sly fox.
Wait no...what's the opposite of sly?
Oh yeah. Transparent. 😛
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I see where you're going with this.Celestials >>>> Odin on panel, so if you make it as if the Celestials are >> Galactus you have an argument that Odin is comparable.
You sly fox.
Wait no...what's the opposite of sly?
Oh yeah. Transparent. 😛
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I don't need to use ABC logic based on the placement of Celestial on the food chain to argue that Odin is comparable to Galactus.
P.S. When the Celestials defeated Odin, they were > Galactus.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😬I don't need to use ABC logic based on the placement of Celestial on the food chain to argue that Odin is comparable to Galactus.
P.S. When the Celestials defeated Odin, they were > Galactus.
I'm pretty sure Galactus has had a little (read: a sizable) upgrade since then.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Of course I don't.Oh yea, when?
Also as per Thanos Imperative Galactus can pull Odin's best feat (wiping a Galaxy, apparently that's what he did in Annihilation) when he's on his last legs and nearly powerless.
So how they can be called peers without appealing to some kind of cracktastic ABC logic is beyond me.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'm pretty sure his status as a Universal Abstract was established after that, as was his being equated to Death and Eternity.
His origins and position in the Universe were altered in either the late 70's or the early 80's, I believe, which is coincidentally around the same time the Celestials were introduced (1980) to the mainstream Marvel Universe.
And I wouldn't call that a power up. I didn't notice any actual change in how his power or status in the food chain is portrayed.
Galactus was a Galactic level threat who consumed planets in the 1960's. Galactus is still a Galactic level threat who consumes planets in 2011. Galactus status has been pretty steady as far as I can tell. It's his "peers" who have risen and fallen around him.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Also as per Thanos Imperative Galactus can pull Odin's best feat (wiping a Galaxy, apparently that's what he did in Annihilation) when he's on his last legs and nearly powerless.
1) Pretty sure he didn't wipe out a Galaxy. I believe he wiped out Annihilus' fleet which was Galaxy wide.
2) Wiping out a Galaxy isn't Odin's best feat.
3) I'm pretty sure that Galactus' power was rejuvenated up to a point when he did that. At least temporarily. IRCC, all those canisters floating around -and maybe into him- were filled with stored Power Cosmic from the planets the Galactus Gun consumed.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
So how they can be called peers without appealing to some kind of cracktastic ABC logic is beyond me.
A lot of things seem to be beyond you. That doesn't mean a basis for them doesn't exist.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1) Pretty sure he didn't wipe out a Galaxy. I believe he wiped out Annihilus' fleet which was Galaxy wide.
2) Wiping out a Galaxy isn't Odin's best feat.
3) I'm pretty sure that Galactus' power was rejuvenated up to a point when he did that. At least temporarily. IRCC, all those canisters floating around -and maybe into him- were filled with stored Power Cosmic from the planets the Galactus Gun consumed.
1) He wiped out the majority of Annihilus' fleet and took out three star systems. I can provide the scans if you deem it necessary.
2) Not really familiar with Odins history, what are his best feats?
3) Speculation. Unless the comic stated that Galactus was rejuvenated or that he somehow got the power back that had been drained from him then you cant assume it definitely happened and counter a point with said assumption. Galactus as Omega Vision said was drained and certainly not at anywhere near full power. He had expended energies in a fight with Tenebrous and Aegis and got pummeled and then he got strapped to an energy draining device and turned into a weapon. Where was he fed to regain his reserves amongst all of that? So to be able to destroy 3 galaxies in an outburst that was still expanding at the time of the report is a great feat for a severely weakened Galactus.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
1) He wiped out the majority of Annihilus' fleet and took out three star systems. I can provide the scans if you deem it necessary.2) Not really familiar with Odins history, what are his best feats?
3) Speculation. Unless the comic stated that Galactus was rejuvenated or that he somehow got the power back that had been drained from him then you cant assume it definitely happened and counter a point with said assumption. Galactus as Omega Vision said was drained and certainly not at anywhere near full power. He had expended energies in a fight with Tenebrous and Aegis and got pummeled and then he got strapped to an energy draining device and turned into a weapon. Where was he fed to regain his reserves amongst all of that? So to be able to destroy 3 galaxies in an outburst that was still expanding at the time of the report is a great feat for a severely weakened Galactus.
1) I deem it necessary. I don't recall the wiping out of Star Systems just the wiping out of a fleet that spanned Star Systems. This isn't worth logging into my main PC for.
2) Destroying multiple Galaxies and threatening the fabric of the Multiverse as an after effect of a battle, the remnant energy of an Odin Spell creating an entire dimension full of it's own Asgardian counterparts, and reversing the damage his evil counterpart Infinity did with a wave of his hand.
3) Were the canisters full of energy? Did we see the canisters floating and glowing around Galactus at the time of the feat? It might be speculation but it sure as hell is less likely that he let all of that energy go to waste instead of restoring his strength to at least some point. 3 Galaxies? You just said 3 Star Systems. There's a big difference between the two.