Skyfathers vs Cube Beings...

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Galactus being severely drained and weakened is in doubt.

Once again, Galactus being severely drained and weakened is in doubt as it's possible -likely actually- that he absorbed the energy in those canisters or at least used them to rejuvenate himself at least up to a point.

Even if Galactus had reabsorbed his energy which had been drained by the device, Galactus still wouldnt have been anywhere near full power. He had just had a fight with two cosmics whowere on par with him and he got beaten down which facilitated his capture and forced participation with Annihilus' plan.

Again i ask you, where did he consume a planet amongst any of that?

So if he did absorb back the drained energy as per your interpretation he was still far from full power.

If he didnt then he was reserves were severely depleted.

In either circumstance it was an impressive feat and Galactus was most definitely low on reserves either way.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The battle couldn't have lasted more than a handful of hours and that's me overdoing it quite heavily in my opinion. It lasted like 11 pages maybe and nothing would indicate a long period of time passed throughout the panels. It seemed to be a steady and linear passing of time.

Galactus let out a single multi-directional outburst of energy which consumed 3 star systems and was still expanding at a consistent rate.

Odin alongside Seth during a prolonged battle emitting wave after wave of energy caused the damage they caused. Thats completely different.

If a weakened and beaten down Galactus in a single burst can wipe out three star systems, eventually according to Thanos cleaning out a Galaxy, then its completely feasible that alone at full power with a prolonged outpouring of his energies he could far exceed the damage Odin or Seth could do alone and perhaps at least match what damage they did in the scans you present.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Odin alongside Seth during a prolonged battle emitting wave after wave of energy caused the damage they caused. Thats completely different.

I just find this impossible especially when nothing was shown on panel and all we have is the narrator.

How could Odin/Seth output enough energy to destroy galaxies and ignite stars and shake the multiverse, when during the Infinity Gauntlet story arc, Galactus/Eon/Stranger/Love/Hate/Order/Chaos/Chronos/Ziran/TOAA blasted Thanos with the IG simultaneously and only managed to destroy solar systems in their immediate vicinity?

A galaxy contains tens of thousands of solar systems (at least).

So the writer of that Journey into Mystery would have us believe that all the Marvel Cosmic Hierarchy can't produce the power output of Odin and Seth?

BS. Serious BS.

Originally posted by zopzop
I just find this impossible especially when nothing was shown on panel and all we have is the narrator.

How could Odin/Seth output enough energy to destroy galaxies and ignite stars and shake the multiverse, when during the Infinity Gauntlet story arc, Galactus/Eon/Stranger/Love/Hate/Order/Chaos/Chronos/Ziran/TOAA blasted Thanos with the IG simultaneously and only managed to destroy solar systems in their immediate vicinity?

A galaxy contains tens of thousands of solar systems (at least).

So the writer of that Journey into Mystery would have us believe that all the Marvel Cosmic Hierarchy can't produce the power output of Odin and Seth?

BS. Serious BS.

Agreed.

It does read as hyperbole. Odins never been consistently shown at such a level, no skyfather has. Current continuity in the past decade or two has him consistently portrayed as a global scale power, able to reshape and affect matter on a planetary scale. Thats how Skyfathers should be.

I don't see the point in calling it hyperbole. Shaking the Multiverse is to Skyfathers what standing in the core of the sun is to Heralds.

A wtf feat that's become trite.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Agreed.

It does read as hyperbole. Odins never been consistently shown at such a level, no skyfather has. Current continuity in the past decade or two has him consistently portrayed as a global scale power, able to reshape and affect matter on a planetary scale. Thats how Skyfathers should be.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't see the point in calling it hyperbole. Shaking the Multiverse is to Skyfathers what standing in the core of the sun is to Heralds.

A wtf feat that's become trite.

Then you're left to explain how the combined might of : Galactus, Eon, Stranger, two Celestials, Love, Hate, Order, Chaos and Chronos unleashed simultaneously failed to a) shake the multiverse and b) destroy a galaxy.

Unless you mean to tell me Odin and Seth are beyond the above beings in power output.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't see the point in calling it hyperbole. Shaking the Multiverse is to Skyfathers what standing in the core of the sun is to Heralds.

A wtf feat that's become trite.

Its not really having a ripple effect through the multiverse that i have my doubts about, its more the destruction of galaxies and igniting of suns. Just saying it reads like hyperbole cos such power levels are beyond how skyfathers have been consistently portrayed in the past 20 twenty years.

Just saying......

Originally posted by zopzop
Then you're left to explain how the combined might of : Galactus, Eon, Stranger, two Celestials, Love, Hate, Order, Chaos and Chronos unleashed simultaneously failed to a) shake the multiverse and b) destroy a galaxy.

Unless you mean to tell me Odin and Seth are beyond the above beings in power output.

I think this "X didn't even destroy Y in this instance, ergo the instance where X destroyed Z is PIS" is one of the weakest arguments on the forum.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Its not really having a ripple effect through the multiverse that i have my doubts about, its more the destruction of galaxies and igniting of suns. Just saying it reads like hyperbole cos such power levels are beyond how skyfathers have been consistently portrayed in the past 20 twenty years.

Just saying......

Originally posted by Omega Vision
[B]Comics are always inconsistent with their collateral damage. For a reference point look at how the three Skyfathers who confronted the Celestial only shook the world with their attack even though they were going all out and capable of much greater.

I think this "X didn't even destroy Y in this instance, ergo the instance where X destroyed Z is PIS" is one of the weakest arguments on the forum.

There's a huge difference between 3 skyfathers laying into a Celestial and all the Cosmic Hierarchy confronting the most powerful artifact in comics history at the time.

Those 3 skyfathers were no match for Arshiem let alone the 3rd Host. Odin + Destroyer Armor (that was blessed with a fraction of all Earth's skyfathers) + every soul in Asgard (except Thor) was melted into slag before the power of the 4th Host.

Now you mean to tell me 2 skyfather level beings throwing down threatened all creation? I call massive BS.

i dont see why people think skyfathers should be silver surfer level guys

Colossus

IMHO it should go something like this :

Skyfather <= Watcher < Elder God < Cube Being < Celestial < Pseudo Abstraction (Galactus, FP Tyrant, Aegis, Teneberous) < Abstraction/Avatar Forces (The Infinites, Eternity, Death, Oblivion, Entropy, PF, Goblin Force, etc...)

Originally posted by zopzop
There's a huge difference between 3 skyfathers laying into a Celestial and all the Cosmic Hierarchy confronting the most powerful artifact in comics history at the time.

Those 3 skyfathers were no match for Arshiem let alone the 3rd Host. Odin + Destroyer Armor (that was blessed with a fraction of all Earth's skyfathers) + every soul in Asgard (except Thor) was melted into slag before the power of the 4th Host.

Now you mean to tell me 2 skyfather level beings throwing down threatened all creation? I call massive BS.

Edit: FP Tyrant two tiers above Cube Being?

this is how i see it ,

Heralds- planetary level guys , can destroy planets, moons at there peak

Skyfathers- can create pocket demensions , destroy/affect entire dimensions and galaxys at there peak

elder gods- can create pocket universes,given time can effect a universe(not destroy)

cosmic cube being-can destroy a universe

Abstract- Can affect multiple universes/Multiverse

Originally posted by zopzop
No it's not a steaming pile of xxxx, that's what you are peddling.

If it really was mutliverse shaking and threatened all of reality (like Jean said) where was the Tribunal? Isn't it his job to monitor threats to the greater multiverse?

Where was the Watcher? If the IG affair warranted his notice and it only affected a single universe, where was he for this multiverse shaking event?

Why were the only beings that mention it : Jean Grey, Dr. Strange and the Surfer all earth bound and all herald level and lower?

Where was the on panel evidence of the destruction being wrought?

Is there really "no power in the universe" that's a match for Seth, except for Odin?

IG was destroying the universe THe battle was just shaking it and no long term damage was doen they don't need to get into. Hell Odin death was noted by the LT that is a huge feat in itself plus Odin effectiv the universe yet again. You can troll all you want but you got nothing

Originally posted by Omega Vision I don't think they threatened all creation so much as made it rattle. Which has been accomplished by beings lower than Skyfathers (E2 Superman and New Earth Superman's punches reverberated across dimensional boundaries).

We're talking Marvel here 😄

Edit: FP Tyrant two tiers above Cube Being?

DP Tyrant was about to decapitate Galactus till Morg showed up with the UN. So yeah 😉

Originally posted by DarkOdin
IG was destroying the universe THe battle was just shaking it and no long term damage was doen they don't need to get into.

No the battle was not "destroying the universe" go look it up for yourself. The initial assault of all the cosmic powers "only" destroyed the solar system the battle took place in and some solar systems in the immediate vicinity.

A galaxy contains tens of thousands of solar systems so the combined might of all the Cosmics present couldn't even destroy a galaxy. But we're supposed to believe Surtur, Odin, and Seth can causally bust galaxies and shake the multiverse.

Hell Odin death was noted by the LT that is a huge feat in itself plus Odin effectiv the universe yet again. You can troll all you want but you got nothing

Originally posted by zopzop
We're talking Marvel here 😄

DP Tyrant was about to decapitate Galactus till Morg showed up with the UN. So yeah 😉