Dooku and Maul vs ROTS Anakin and ROTS Obi Wan

If they show force use above and beyond what the movie does... then they are non-canon. For instance, in the movie, Windu and Sidious don't really move at very fast speeds.

In the novel they do. In the past, we had considered the super-fast speeds to be canon, simply because they couldn't show the actor's moving on film like they wanted to. Now with Chee's comment, we have to say: The movie is correct, and anything out of the movie that enhances their force use in INCORRECT.

So Sidious and Mace really did fight that duel at old man speeds, since saying they did not would be enhancing the force beyond what the movie showed.

Hey?! what exactly did smart old Chee say??!!

I think the movie fight sequences are shown at a speed we can watch, otherwise Mace Windu is no faster than Sameul L. And since all of Dooku's fight scenes were either stunt men or CG (flips and stuff) then Dooku is automatically faster than Mace by that logic.

Not to mention Jar Jar Binks?? LOL! He was always CG so shown to move much faster than Mace Windu! LOL

exactly. it sucks. I'm bummed about it. The quote is in the battle bar. Blax posted it. Its pretty hard to get around.

I wouldn't be completely against disregarding a lot of what Leland says. I've asked him a lot of questions, and to the few that he's actually answered, he generally gave very poorly thought out, inexact, and at times logically incorrect answers. He gets a lot of questions thrown at him and you can tell he rushes through answering them for the most part.

Originally posted by truejedi
If they show force use above and beyond what the movie does... then they are non-canon. For instance, in the movie, Windu and Sidious don't really move at very fast speeds.

In the novel they do. In the past, we had considered the super-fast speeds to be canon, simply because they couldn't show the actor's moving on film like they wanted to. Now with Chee's comment, we have to say: The movie is correct, and anything out of the movie that enhances their force use in INCORRECT.

So Sidious and Mace really did fight that duel at old man speeds, since saying they did not would be enhancing the force beyond what the movie showed.

I see what you're doing there - 👆 👆

😐 I think

Chee is like ChaCha, most of the time the answer you get is going to have nothing to do with the question you ask...

I dnt think thats quite what he said. He was talking about the extent of force powers. So we see Sidious twirl and leap superfast in ROTS. We see Obiwan and Quigon run superfast in TPM, so obviously Mace can also move that fast, probably faster because hes more powerful than TPM obiwan and quigon.

Similarly, we see Luke leap incredibly fast in ESB, so of course Vader can move that fast, otherwise Luke would have been whooping his butt! LOL

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Hey if we're going just by what we saw then I could argue it looked like a draw, and Dooku only escaped because he culdnt beat Yoda, not because he was losing.. You see how that works??

But what is it im supposed to have seen anyway? The distraction right?? And what about before that?? what about during the force fight??
If Yoda is so much uber greater in the force than Dooku, then why didnt he just stop him at that point?? Why did he agree to Dooku's terms of switching it to a Saber fight??

Come on now. Yoda sent Sidious flying several feet with the force, and managed to redirect a senate pod at him so fast that Sidious was unable to stop it and barely escaped being crushed to death.

There is a huge gap between Yoda and Dooku in terms of power in the force.

If Dooku is absolutely no where close to Yoda, why was it taking Yoda so long to disarm him in the saber fight? [/B]

The duel did not even last a minute before Dooku made his escape. Yoda's line "Fought well you have my old padawan" indicated the fight was to an end and Yoda was about to finish it. Dooku realised it and found a way to make his escape.

Besides, Dooku is an excellent sword fighter. One of the greatest in history.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So we see Sidious twirl and leap superfast in ROTS.

Super fast? Really? Nah.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
We see Obiwan and Quigon run superfast in TPM

We do? Remind me again where this happens in the movie.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I wuldnt go by that.. Yoda also says "Powerful you have become Dooku,"

Dooku DID become powerful, just not powerful enough...

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
and "Fought well you have my former padawan"

Dooku DID fought well, just not well enough...

Besides, this line sounds like Yoda's saying: "OK, u showed ur mad skillz, but we both know I'm gonna kick ur ass."

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Whilst Dooku claims the Force fight was a draw, "Clearly this contest can not be decided by our knowledge of the Force.."

Dooku has been shown to be extremely full of himself.
Plus, he's a Sith, they are not to be trusted, beware! 😎 .

no... we have a decision to make: Listen to Chee and throw out the EU... or ignore Chee and allow anything and everything to be canon?

Originally posted by truejedi
no... we have a decision to make: Listen to Chee and throw out the EU... or ignore Chee and allow anything and everything to be canon?

He didnt say eu isnt canon. He just says we ignore stuff (including feats) where they contradict the movies - the stuff Lucas has made himself.

I see...so... actually... Chee pwns all.
Then make everything canon, and Revan the god of it.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Super fast? Really? Nah.

Sidious doing sumersaults and twirls?? that stuff was super fast cgi man.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
We do? Remind me again where this happens in the movie.

When they're running from the destroyer droids. Beginning of the movie.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Sidious doing sumersaults and twirls?? that stuff was super fast cgi man.

"super fast" nah, "cgi" yep

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
[BWhen they're running from the destroyer droids. Beginning of the movie. [/B]

True dat, well at least faster than Sidious' sumersaults.

The point being we've seen Jedi move super fast, and we know Sidious is much faster. So having some Powerful Jedi/Sith moving at blinding speeds in novels is not contradicting what we've seen jedi/siths are capable of in the movies.

Originally posted by truejedi
no... we have a decision to make: Listen to Chee and throw out the EU... or ignore Chee and allow anything and everything to be canon?

I say we allow everything to be canon except for the stuff that directly contradicts higher forms of canon, appears to be largely unrealistic with respect to higher forms of canon, or appears to be largely unrealistic with respect to the majority of sources on the matter.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I don't see how that works. Yoda was clearly restraining himself in the force fight. In fact, Yoda did not even attack Dooku with the force besides redirecting Dooku's lightning. The entire force fight was mainly Yoda casually shrugging off Dooku's TK attacks.

Well isnt that mainly what he was doing against Sidious.. Redirecting his own force attacks at him, apart from the one force push when he got him off guard.

This from Dooku's profile at starwars.com:

"The Jedi Master Yoda confronted Dooku. The two engaged in a titanic struggle of Force powers, neither besting the other. It came down to a contest of lightsabers."

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Same reason he gave Ventress her lightsabers back, and was about to force a duel on her instead of capturing her while he had the chance. Maybe to teach Dooku that the dark side gave Dooku NO advantage over him.

Yoda had already proved Ventress was absolutely no threat to him whatsoever.. Sabers or not, he could simply paralyze her. And it wasnt Yoda's mission there to capture Ventress.
It was his mission to capture Dooku.. And that was a particularly important mission considering it would have stopped the clone wars before they began.
I cant see any good reason at all for Yoda not to knock out Dooku with the Force if that was such an easy thing to do.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
There is a huge gap between Yoda and Dooku in terms of power in the force.

Im not so sure the gap is "huge." The quote above says the force battle was a titanic struggle.

Originally posted by NCRotCA
I say we allow everything to be canon [b]except for the stuff that directly contradicts higher forms of canon, appears to be largely unrealistic with respect to higher forms of canon, or appears to be largely unrealistic with respect to the majority of sources on the matter. [/B]

Yeah thats all Chee says. Thats why we have levels of canonicity.. And obviously Lucas's vision is what he shows in the movies, thats why thats the highest canon source.

I knew from day one ridiculous stuff like the force feats in the cw mini were way over the top, so thats no shocker to me.

It's common sense, yeah. People only want to disagree with it because they're argumentative.