Originally posted by Kaibs
Well I mean no, technically you can't say The Force is apart of Luke. As The Force was apart of a lot of people. The McClane factor is it's own undeniable thing. The Force isn't applied to one being where McClane's is.
The Force would still be a part of Luke though, despite others having access to it.
McClane-Factor can momentarily jump to others in small doses, typically McClane's allies. Al, Zeus, Nerd-Kid, McDaughter(who was doable).
Originally posted by Robtard
The Force would still be a part of Luke though, despite others having access to it.McClane-Factor can momentarily jump to others in small doses, typically McClane's allies. Al, Zeus, Nerd-Kid, McDaughter(who was doable).
The only one I can really agree with there is Lucy, as she has his blood. But McClane's Luck isn't like The Force still though, as it's not it's own Cosmic Entity, where McClane's Luck seems to be. Al, Zeus, and Nerd-o they didn't display any element of the Luck of McClane they only showed courage. Which is another factor of McClane, but not his undeniable luck.
Al being able to shoot and kill the guy at the end would be an example of of the jump. Al was a fat useless cop with hands covered in donut grease, yet suddenly he heroed up when McClane needed him to, why? McClane-Factor. I'll have to get back to you with examples of Zeus and Nerd-Boy.
In LFODH, when he and the nerd were pinned behind a desk, McClane was out of ammo and the squirrel-boy was about to be on them with a hail of bullets. Just then some action-figure/statue decides to fall off a shelf and trigger an explosion, an explosion that saves McClane. Luck is part of the McClane-Factor.
Evidence for Al stands in the McClane factor's McMidichloriluck transfer theory..
He was a damaged man suffering with gun impotence.
He was so unlucky on the beat that he shot a kid and that left him incapable of raising his iron on the job.
But after merely hugging McClane, he is able to draw off two shots a fast draw speed, taking out a terrorist who threatens the crowd of McClane, Holly, cops and press with shots that could have missed or nailed people between him and the gun.
He is so infected and sharp with anticipation for danger after that that he almost nails Argylle as he breaks out of the garage in the Limo til McClane stays his hand...
Meek, meagre Argylle also having shook McClane's hand..
(at 8:30 here) YouTube video
...was able to look within himself and crash the limo into the ambulance, blocking in and laying out Theo with a tasty overhand right cross.
EDIT: LOL I see you pipped me to the post, Robtard.
Originally posted by Robtard
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The more the merrier, besides, yours is exponentially more eloquent than my snippet.Also think that it's clear to all [npw] that the McClane-Factor is like an aura. Some may say an all present force?
I can cosign to that 100%. McClane's Factor rubs off on all those he gets involved with. He can turn boys into men, and gets whoever he is with in insane danger. But in the end if you stick with him and in turn believe in him you will live to see the end of the movie.
Originally posted by Kaibs
I can cosign to that 100%. McClane's Factor rubs off on all those he gets involved with. He can turn boys into men, and gets whoever he is with in insane danger. But in the end if you stick with him and in turn believe in him you will live to see the end of the movie.
...And maybe get to seriously cornhole a badguy or two.
Originally posted by RobtardI'm kidding, Rob. Geez.
Fickle like a school-girl, bro.
Originally posted by RobtardHe didn't kill it directly. It didn't die directly by his hand. Can't count it as a feat, can we? It'd be like saying Riggs took out a high rise with one clip of his wire cutters.
His antics is what caused its destruction. Implying he had nothing to do with it is both dishonest and a gimp.
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthNo, you see, Luke fired the torpedo into the exhaust port. Mac didn't throw the piece of debris into the Jet's engines. See the difference?
Absolutely. It'd be like saying Luke didn't destroy the Death Star in ANH just because the proton torpedo did.
Originally posted by Kaibs
IDK until the whole RIggs shit came up he was dick ridin McClane till no end. I'm a huge McClane fan, but I like to be realistic about if he'd win or not when he's up against tough opponents.
I've never dick rode Mac. I simply think he would beat Rorschach.
Riggs? He's faster, stronger, has more damage soak, has a better H2H record, is far more trained, breaks fools necks like they were toothpicks, routinely takes on 4-5 opponents at a time and wins. Compare all that to McClane's H2H feats and everything points to Riggs winning.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He didn't kill it directly. It didn't die directly by his hand. Can't count it as a feat, can we? It'd be like saying Riggs took out a high rise with one clip of his wire cutters.Riggs? He's faster, stronger, has more damage soak, has a better H2H record, is far more trained, breaks fools necks like they were toothpicks, routinely takes on 4-5 opponents at a time and wins. Compare all that to McClane's H2H feats and everything points to Riggs winning.
McClane set forth a series of events that ended with its destruction. How you down-play McClane at every turn.
McClane has faced off against three geniuses; foiled their plans, killed their goons and destroyed their vehicles. Riggs is a second-rate hero, at best, he'd have fallen to the Gruber's or Gabriel's intellect.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, you see, Luke fired the torpedo into the exhaust port. Mac didn't throw the piece of debris into the Jet's engines. See the difference?Riggs? He's faster, stronger, has more damage soak, has a better H2H record, is far more trained, breaks fools necks like they were toothpicks, routinely takes on 4-5 opponents at a time and wins. Compare all that to McClane's H2H feats and everything points to Riggs winning.
Why was the plane in the position it was in...? 'Cause it was there to destroy McClane...it failed...and was smote unto the ground.
Why was the debris there? It was there 'cause the pilot in his advanced fighter jet couldn't take McClane out and the missiles created mess.
Why was the truck there...? 'Cause McClane drove it there.
Riggs is too slow by number 3 to evade even slow jabs.
His damage soak is questionable, what with dodgy dislocateable shoulders, old injuries, his training can't make up for McClane factor, he is babysat most of the time by Roger, he is way easier to capture than McClane, and McClane takes on an entire special forces platoon and wins, compared to your 4-5 guys. (Also the lift scene in DH3 shows you how a mere 4-5 years all with guns fared against McClane in less room for dodging etc.) Riggs makes incredibly stupid mistakes when he "gets crazy" which McClane would exploit more mercilessly than Spielberg and Lucas exploited our cherished memories with INDY IV .
McClane running the LW gauntlet with uber-ease:
YouTube video
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