Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Riggs is too slow by number 3 to evade even slow jabs.
His damage soak is questionable, what with dodgy dislocateable shoulders, old injuries, his training can't make up for McClane factor, he is babysat most of the time by Roger, he is way easier to capture than McClane, and McClane takes on an entire special forces platoon and wins, compared to your 4-5 guys. (Also the lift scene in DH3 shows you how a mere 4-5 years all with guns fared against McClane in less room for dodging etc.) Riggs makes incredibly stupid mistakes when he "gets crazy" which McClane would exploit more mercilessly than Spielberg and Lucas exploited our cherished memories with INDY IV .
Also Dude, let's not forget, let's NOT forget that Rigg's mullet would end up being exploited by McClane and used as a easy-grip handle for bashing Rigg's head into some hard surface.
Originally posted by Robtard
McClane set forth a series of events that ended with its destruction. How you down-play McClane at every turn.McClane has faced off against three geniuses; foiled their plans, killed their goons and destroyed their vehicles. Riggs is a second-rate hero, at best, he'd have fallen to the Gruber's or Gabriel's intellect.
Riggs foiled the Colonel's plans, the South Africans plans, Jack Travis's plans, and the plans of the Triad in LW4. Chinese Triad>>>>Eurotrash terrorists.
Mac is not some rocket scientist, he doesn't even know how to use a fax machine and knows shit about computers.
In LW3, Riggs took out a high rise. In LW2, he took out a big ass house with his truck. So I guess Riggs is better at mass destruction!!!
Let's itemize this, shall we?
DESTROYING BUILDINGS: Mac took out a few floors of a high rise with C4.
Riggs took out an entire high rise with one snip of his wire cutters.
ADVANTAGE RIGGS
USING A VEHICLE AS A WEAPON: Mac killed a skinny asian chick with a Ford Explorer, and took out a chopper with a Crown Vic. Both vehicles were rendered useless afterwards.
Riggs took out a house with his pickup truck. The truck sustained no damage and he drove it to kill the South Africans.
ADVANTAGE RIGGS
DAMAGE SOAK Mac gets the shit kicked out of him on a regular basis, comes back and wins.
Riggs took six .44 caliber rounds to the lung and a bayonet through his thigh and lived to the next movie. And no, Murtaugh did not save Riggs' life here, the S. African was out of ammo. Riggs took all the dude had and lived.
ADVANTAGE RIGGS
MISCELLANEOUS: Mac took out an airliner with his zippo and a long trail of jet fuel. The F-35 doesn't count, it didn't die because of a direct act from McClane. If anything, the F-35 died as a result of it's own actions.
Riggs used the flamethrower guy to take out an 18 wheeler AND a convenience store in one fell swoop. Riggs killed a man with a surfboard.
EVEN
STAMINA: Mac has good stamina, he keeps going and going and going.
Riggs chased down a speeding car, shot it to shit, would have caught Joshua had he not been hit by another car.
EVEN
H2H COMBAT SKILLS: Mac is a brawler, little "skill" if any.
Riggs takes on 4-5 men at a time and wins. He breaks necks like they were toothpicks.
ADVANTAGE RIGGS
H2H COMBAT RECORD: Mac lost two H2H fights, first to the Colonel, then to the Ninja Chick.
Riggs lost two H2H fights. One to Travis, one to Li. He came back and killed them both though.
Te deal breaker here is that Riggs is faster, stronger, has more damage soak, and routinely takes on 4-5 men and wins.
ADVANTAGE RIGGS
When did Mac ever take on 4-5 men and win? I'd really like an answer to this. Wait, I've already asked this several times and it's been dodged.
/thread.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Why was the plane in the position it was in...? 'Cause it was there to destroy McClane...it failed...and was smote unto the ground.Why was the debris there? It was there 'cause the pilot in his advanced fighter jet couldn't take McClane out and the missiles created mess.
Why was the truck there...? 'Cause McClane drove it there.
Riggs is too slow by number 3 to evade even slow jabs.
His damage soak is questionable, what with dodgy dislocateable shoulders, old injuries, his training can't make up for McClane factor, he is babysat most of the time by Roger, he is way easier to capture than McClane, and McClane takes on an entire special forces platoon and wins, compared to your 4-5 guys. (Also the lift scene in DH3 shows you how a mere 4-5 years all with guns fared against McClane in less room for dodging etc.) Riggs makes incredibly stupid mistakes when he "gets crazy" which McClane would exploit more mercilessly than Spielberg and Lucas exploited our cherished memories with INDY IV .McClane running the LW gauntlet with uber-ease:
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Questionable damage soak? Has Mac ever taken a bayonet through the leg and six .44's to the lung and lived? Nope.
Has Mac ever entered a room and killed 4-5 men with his bare hands? Nope.
Thank you for playing.
Are you insane? The Gruber bros and Gabriel were geniuses and the Colonel was an extremely capable military man. Riggs wouldn't have lasted DH1, let alone the sequels.
You got the building angle, though I honestly don't recall Riggs destroying a building. Can you elaborate?
F-35 Lightning II trumps any and all vehicle feats of Riggs. Plus the highway damage was considerable.
Damage soak is about close. But if we factor in the consistant falls, drops and explosions McClane sustains and keeps on going to finish the film, he likely edges. We've established his neck is like adamantium already.
H2H, McClane easy. Riggs' has sloppy kicks that are more for show. McClane uses classic and reliable punches, elbows, headbutts and throws. Not fancy, but reliable.
Edit: Should have added, do you really want to do this again, considering you changed your opinion and stated 'McClane would win over Riggs' and then back again out fo spite?
Originally posted by RobtardMhm, what does genius level IQ have to do with a one on one fight?
Are you insane? The Gruber bros and Gabriel were geniuses and the Colonel was an extremely capable military man. Riggs wouldn't have lasted DH1, let alone the sequels.
You got the building angle, though I honestly don't recall Riggs destroying a building. Can you elaborate?Beginning of LW3. "Rog, grab the cat!!!"
F-35 Lightning II trumps any and all vehicle feats of Riggs. Plus the highway damage was considerable.The freeway damage was caused by the pilot. The F-35 did not "die" as a direct result of Mac's actions. FAIL.
Damage soak is about close. But if we factor in the consistant falls, drops and explosions McClane sustains and keeps on going to finish the film, he likely edges. We've established his neck is like adamantium already.No, it's not. 6 44's to the lung trump any damage feat Mac has.
And nah, Mac's neck would break just fine.
H2H, McClane easy. Riggs' has sloppy kicks that are more for show. McClane uses classic and reliable punches, elbows, headbutts and throws. Not fancy, but reliable.
haermm You need to pay attention. Riggs uses elbows, headbutts, throws and grappling even moreso than Mac, and far more effectively. FAIL.
Originally posted by RobtardI was with Riggs initially. Then I had a DH marathon one day, had the impression that Mac would win. Then I watched the LW movies a short while after and rediscovered how superior Riggs is when compared to Mac.Edit: Should have added, do you really want to do this again, considering you changed your opinion and stated 'McClane would win over Riggs' and then back again out fo spite?
Originally posted by BruceSkywalkerRead below:
why exactly has riggs been brought up?? i thought this was about Live Free or Die hard McClane versus Rorschach from Watchmen?
Originally posted by Rogue JediI was simply explaining how someone would kill Mac, I brought up Riggs as an example, that's all. Sadako and Rob, butthurt to this day, picked up the ball, slid on their McPanties, and commenced slobbing on McClane's knob.
See, here's the deal with McClane. You gotta kill him quick. The longer the fight drags out, the more his luck comes into play. A fight with Rorschach is gonna drag out. Rorschach is gonna beat on McClane, beat on him some more, gonna have McClane bleeding and in pain, but eventually Mac will run across a crowbar and bury it in Rorschach's head. That's how McClane fights. That's how he wins. That's why he's always the last man standing.Example of someone who will beat Mac h2h? Riggs. Why? Because Riggs has shown that he can kill someone in the blink of an eye. He wouldn't put Mac down for good with kicks and punches, he'd do it by breaking his neck seconds into the fight.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I was with Riggs initially. Then I had a DH marathon one day, had the impression that Mac would win. Then I watched the LW movies a short while after and rediscovered how superior Riggs is when compared to Mac.Read below:
I was simply explaining how someone would kill Mac, I brought up Riggs as an example, that's all. Sadako and Rob, butthurt to this day, picked up the ball, slid on their McPanties, and commenced slobbing on McClane's knob.
but it is also very simple to do another mcclane v riggs thread with a different set of circumstances or simply not talk about it. rj you know this
Originally posted by BruceSkywalkerNo, you don't understand. Read it again:
but it is also very simple to do another mcclane v riggs thread with a different set of circumstances or simply not talk about it. rj you know this
See, here's the deal with McClane. You gotta kill him quick. The longer the fight drags out, the more his luck comes into play. A fight with Rorschach is gonna drag out. Rorschach is gonna beat on McClane, beat on him some more, gonna have McClane bleeding and in pain, but eventually Mac will run across a crowbar and bury it in Rorschach's head. That's how McCla playne fights. That's how he wins. That's why he's always the last man standing.
Example of someone who will beat Mac h2h? Riggs. Why? Because Riggs has shown that he can kill someone in the blink of an eye. He wouldn't put Mac down for good with kicks and punches, he'd do it by breaking his neck seconds into the fight.
I was saying in a H2H battle you gotta kill McClane quick, before his luck factor comes into play. I used Riggs as an example of someone who kills people quick, with swift neck breaks. I probably should have used someone else as an example, but what's done is done.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
I've read Willis may or may not be involved
Originally posted by Robtard
Are you insane? The Gruber bros and Gabriel were geniuses and the Colonel was an extremely capable military man. Riggs wouldn't have lasted DH1, let alone the sequels.You got the building angle, though I honestly don't recall Riggs destroying a building. Can you elaborate?
F-35 Lightning II trumps any and all vehicle feats of Riggs. Plus the highway damage was considerable.
Damage soak is about close. But if we factor in the consistant falls, drops and explosions McClane sustains and keeps on going to finish the film, he likely edges. We've established his neck is like adamantium already.
H2H, McClane easy. Riggs' has sloppy kicks that are more for show. McClane uses classic and reliable punches, elbows, headbutts and throws. Not fancy, but reliable.
Edit: Should have added, do you really want to do this again, considering you changed your opinion and stated 'McClane would win over Riggs' and then back again out fo spite?
QFT
Like you say, McClane wrecks/blows up Crown Victorias, Buildings, Freeways, Helicopters, Jet snowskis, 747s, Trains....In fact the only shit he hasnt done yet was crash a space shuttle full of terrorists.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Questionable damage soak? Has Mac ever taken a bayonet through the leg and six .44's to the lung and lived? Nope.Has Mac ever entered a room and killed 4-5 men with his bare hands? Nope.
Thank you for playing.
Has Riggs been through anything like Die Hards 1,2,3 or 4? (especially without a special life partner wiping his chin throughout..)
Nope.
He didn't have to. Unlike Riggs, McClane isnt captured ever 23.4 seconds.
And he blew a 747 up with 20 highly trained Pentagon Marines turned mercs.
...With just a zippo and a little imagination. Thats WAY better.
Riggs is comparatively thick.
You're almost outta dimes. 🙂
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
why exactly has riggs been brought up?? i thought this was about Live Free or Die hard McClane versus Rorschach from Watchmen?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
See, here's the deal with McClane. You gotta kill him quick. The longer the fight drags out, the more his luck comes into play. A fight with Rorschach is gonna drag out. Rorschach is gonna beat on McClane, beat on him some more, gonna have McClane bleeding and in pain, but eventually Mac will run across a crowbar and bury it in Rorschach's head. That's how McClane fights. That's how he wins. That's why he's always the last man standing.Example of someone who will beat Mac h2h? Riggs. Why? Because Riggs has shown that he can kill someone in the blink of an eye. He wouldn't put Mac down for good with kicks and punches, he'd do it by breaking his neck seconds into the fight.
The bit RJ refers to(Back on Page 2)
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Mhm, what does genius level IQ have to do with a one on one fight?Beginning of LW3. "Rog, grab the cat!!!"
The freeway damage was caused by the pilot. The F-35 did not "die" as a direct result of Mac's actions. FAIL.
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You crack me up.
One one hand you rave about the virtues of training and head smarts over brutal brawn, then when you think it suits you, you flip to "Whats smarts got to do with fighting"...
Then you rip on McClane's freeway/plane victory even though McClane was the entire reason that the plane, Pilot/Freeway got jacked,
Yet you credit Riggs with the destruction of that building, even though all he did was fu** up the diffusing of a bomb that someone else had planted......!!!
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