Kratos VS Akuma and Gouken

Originally posted by No End N Site
One thing I wanna know, how the hell is Kratos gonna kill Gouken? We are aware that Gouken's immortality is on Jedah level. "The Power of Nothingness" makes him unkillable. Vaporizing his body won't work. Sending his soul to hell...wont work and I aint talkin' about no greek hell (Hades), I'm talkin' about Hell-Hell.

Where and when the hell was that established, exactly? Power of Nothingness makes him immnue to the likes of Akuma's Shun Goku Satsu, and only moreso since waking up from taking it the first time, but when the characters that have come back from the Shun Goku Satsu outnumbers the characters its actually put down for good, that says to me that it's not exactly as much of some do-all, end-all bfr as it's made out to be. There's about two or three amps of Kratos' that make him at least equally unkillable by about 90% of the SF cast's capabilities.

Originally posted by No End N Site
One thing I wanna know, how the hell is Kratos gonna kill Gouken? We are aware that Gouken's immortality is on Jedah level. "The Power of Nothingness" makes him unkillable. Vaporizing his body won't work. Sending his soul to hell...wont work and I aint talkin' about no greek hell (Hades), I'm talkin' about Hell-Hell.

Yeah, like, years.

But to be fair, when Akuma tried it again, I think it just plain didn't work at all as soon as he tried to prepare for it.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Also, why Typhon's Bane instead of Apollo's Bow? Typhon's Bane is pretty lame.

Apollo's bow is like the TB's little sister.
Homing shots that can split up into smaller homing shots, a mini & actual tornado, and rapid-fire capabilities quite close to the AB's rate of fire, all make it superior to AB.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
bow of apollo nevah runs out and shoots far faster however.

It's arrows & charged arrows are blockable by a variety of enemies, and iirc, TB shots are pretty much unblockable, or at least, its Tornado shots are.
Also, AB technically does run out since the Bar eventually degrades, and you have to wait for it to recharge. That is still gameplay mechanics though. Personally, I think his magic is like that as well. He can use it a set number of times, but has to wait for quite a while to recharge his reserves.

Originally posted by Sappho
also, the blades of exile, but kratos wont get to use that magic for this fight.

So tanking and increased speed, along with implied increased strength? Good enough.

Originally posted by No End N Site
Not canon, but was made by Masahiko Nakahiro. He's made MANY SF mangas and they have been so good, Capcom implements his ideas in actual canon. He has a very close relationship to Capcom and mainly SF.

Masahiko Nakahiro is responsible for...

-He invented Karin Kanzuki and her entire backstory.

-He invented the Dark Hadou, which forced Capcom to retcon the end of SFI to implement his idea.

-He invented Evil Ryu

-The whole boulder thing that Ryu lifts in 3S was invented by Nakahiro.

-Ryu's focus attack, a.k.a Fists of Wind.

-Akuma's ROFLcopter (his ultra 2)

-Lots of other stuff.

One thing I wanna know, how the hell is Kratos gonna kill Gouken? We are aware that Gouken's immortality is on Jedah level. "The Power of Nothingness" makes him unkillable. Vaporizing his body won't work. Sending his soul to hell...wont work and I aint talkin' about no greek hell (Hades), I'm talkin' about Hell-Hell.

Awesome.
Though it still has to be performed in the game/canon for it to be canon.

The Power of Nothingness makes him immune to SGS iirc, not giving him immortality. Unless you know something I don't (which is likely, seeing as you know more about SF than anyone I know on KMC).
Also, Kratos does have the option of KO'ing Gouken, or just ripping him apart. 😛
Hadoukens/Projectiles will be reflected by the Golden Fleece, so that option is out.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Awesome.
Though it still has to be performed in the game/canon for it to be canon.

I could understand that line of reasonin', altho any reader can see that
Masahiko Nakahiro stays very faithful to characters and is of unforgettable importance to the series. He's made alot of SF mangas.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The Power of Nothingness makes him immune to SGS iirc, not giving him immortality. Unless you know something I don't (which is likely, seeing as you know more about SF than anyone I know on KMC).
Also, Kratos does have the option of KO'ing Gouken, or just ripping him apart. 😛
Hadoukens/Projectiles will be reflected by the Golden Fleece, so that option is out.

Gouken's body was torn outta existence. He had to make another one. Rippin'im apart wont help, Akuma 'destroyed' him.

Originally posted by BloodRawEngine
Yeah, like, years.

But to be fair, when Akuma tried it again, I think it just plain didn't work at all as soon as he tried to prepare for it.

No, it did not take years. The instant his body was destroyed, the Power of Mu was activated. He only decided to make is presence known in SFIV. The Big G-Man's been around for a while. The power of MU makes him immune to death, period. When his body was obliterated, his soul created another. It's not anti SNH, it's anti death.

Just thought I get that out there before I quote the book again...gonna take a while.

some of those magic abilities that have limits on them most likely have these limits because of game balance, not implications on restrictions of using them.

Originally posted by BloodRawEngine
when the characters that have come back from the Shun Goku Satsu outnumbers the characters its actually put down for good, that says to me that it's not exactly as much of some do-all, end-all bfr as it's made out to be.

You do know why the 4 people Akuma has SGSed came back, right? That's SF 101, c'mon. None of these reasons would apply to Kratos, bty.

Gen- Cleared his mind 100% and made it pure to avoid death by the SGS. Kratos can't do that. Not to mention, in order to do this, you have to be aware of the SGS.

Gouken- Has the power of Mu. Seems to be a a plot device.

Bison- Has back up bodies and tech that make his soul eternal. He died at least 5 times in SFA3, he was immortal. Kratos does not have access to Shadaloo tech.

Gill- He can ressurect, through unknown means.

Don't blame it on the SGS not being what it is or not being strong enough. 3 outta the 4 died, they were destroyed. Aint Akuma's fault that the people he hit just so happen to be able to defy death itself. The SGS sends you to the after life, its God and Satan's job to keep you there, not Akuma's.

Funny, since Kratos has escaped hell many, many times.

Not to mention Gouki will not even get the chance to use the SGS.

It's also very funny that you don't seem to know that the SGS is not an actual grab attack, it's just gameplay. I aint sayin, Akuma's gonna win. Just droppin' some SF knowledge in dis biznitch. So y'all mutha phuckaz know.

And GoW hell is not the same as the hell in SF, tho. Gods in Gow can be killed.

Originally posted by No End N Site
It's also very funny that you don't seem to know that the SGS is not an actual grab attack, it's just gameplay. I aint sayin, Akuma's gonna win. Just droppin' some SF knowledge in dis biznitch. So y'all mutha phuckaz know.

And GoW hell is not the same as the hell in SF, tho. Gods in Gow can be killed.

God nor Satan to my knowledge have been confirmed to exist in SF.

Originally posted by No End N Site
It's also very funny that you don't seem to know that the SGS is not an actual grab attack, it's just gameplay. I aint sayin, Akuma's gonna win. Just droppin' some SF knowledge in dis biznitch. So y'all mutha phuckaz know.

And GoW hell is not the same as the hell in SF, tho. Gods in Gow can be killed.

The GoW Underworld is where Kratos will go if he is killed, not SF hell.

Originally posted by No End N Site
I could understand that line of reasonin', altho any reader can see that
Masahiko Nakahiro stays very faithful to characters and is of unforgettable importance to the series. He's made alot of SF mangas.

Irrelevant. Unless the mangas are stated to be canon to the SF-verse, the mountain busting feat cannot be canon unless it has appeared in the manga.
Though yeah, if he is faithful as he has been, those Hadoukens should be able to bust mountains. Still doesn't change a thing though, as Kratos can reflect them right back at those two.

Originally posted by No End N Site
Gouken's body was torn outta existence. He had to make another one. Rippin'im apart wont help, Akuma 'destroyed' him.

Source?

Originally posted by No End N Site
No, it did not take years. The instant his body was destroyed, the Power of Mu was activated. He only decided to make is presence known in SFIV. The Big G-Man's been around for a while. The power of MU makes him immune to death, period. When his body was obliterated, his soul created another. It's not anti SNH, it's anti death.

Just thought I get that out there before I quote the book again...gonna take a while.

He states in his OP that he had been unconscious for very long.

Which book?

Originally posted by NemeBro
It's hilarious that you took what I said and got "grab attack" out of that.

Don't understant why else he would never be able to activate the move in a fight.

Originally posted by NemeBro
God nor Satan to my knowledge have been confirmed to exist in SF.

They don't need to be. You know their world is similar to our own.

Originally posted by No End N Site
Don't understant why else he would never be able to activate the move in a fight.

They don't need to be. You know their world is similar to our own.

.......... God and Satan are not confirmed to exist in our world either. 😐

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The GoW Underworld is where Kratos will go if he is killed, not SF hell.

Irrelevant. Unless the mangas are stated to be canon to the SF-verse, the mountain busting feat cannot be canon unless it has appeared in the manga.
Though yeah, if he is faithful as he has been, those Hadoukens should be able to bust mountains. Still doesn't change a thing though, as Kratos can reflect them right back at those two.

Source?

He states in his OP that he had been unconscious for very long.

Which book?

1) 'Pends on which world the fight takes place in.

2) Some things really don't need to be said. If Capcom constantly uses this guy's material for canon, I think he potrays the SFs in charcter. At the end, I think it's up to the Op. Also, reflecting Hdks back wont work, Akuma and Gouken can't be harmed by their own chi.

3) SF World Warrior Encyclopedia.

4) I take back what I said (I just re-read the passage about Mu), Mu was activated instantly, but Gouken's spirit took several years to create a new body, it was a long process. It didn't take up until SFIV, but it took a while.

SF World Warrior Encyclopedia.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Because unless he literally has to do nothing to do it, Kratos is too fast and strong for it to matter, since Gouki will be dead.
.......... God and Satan are not confirmed to exist in our world either. 😐

It's instant. INSTANT Hell Murder, You die 1000 times in an instant. The screen/panels flash and you die. Not exactly sure what he does for it to actiavte in canon. Pretty sure no one does.

The argument about whether God or Satan is real or not is irrelevnt. Everyone who has been hit by the SGS has confirmed that their is an after life. Clearly not similar to that of GoW, if it were, everyone who has died in SF would still be alive. Cuz they all would have escaped from hell...or heaven, 'specially bastards like Gotetsu.

Originally posted by No End N Site
1) 'Pends on which world the fight takes place in.

2) Some things really don't need to be said. If Capcom constantly uses this guy's material for canon, I think he potrays the SFs in charcter. Also, reflecting Hdks back wont work, Akuma and Gouken can't be harmed by their own chi.

3) SF World Warrior Encyclopedia.

4) I take back what I said (I just re-read the passage about Mu), Mu was activated instantly, but Gouken's spirit took several years to create a new body, it was a long process. It didn't take up until SFIV, but it took a while.

SF World Warrior Encyclopedia.

1) KMC fights take place on a neutral battlefield, unless specified. This one just takes place in a Jungle, and in a neutral-verse. Ergo, Kratos would go to GoW Underworld in this case, or the neutral-verse's hell.

2) Not always though. Them using his ideas as canon simply means they liked his idea, and decided to implement it as canon. But that doesn't mean that the degree of the feat would be the same; e.g. Ryu's Kaze no Ken was what killed Gouki iirc. I doubt his SF4 FA would kill Gouki.

But it will make the Hadoukens nothing more than failed projectiles.

Would Kratos still go to the Underworld now that Hades is dead?

Originally posted by No End N Site
It's instant. INSTANT Hell Murder, You die 1000 times in an instant. The screen/panels flash and you die. Not exactly sure what he does for it to actiavte in canon. Pretty sure no one does.

The argument about whether God or Satan is real or not is irrelevnt. Everyone who has been hit by the SGS has confirmed that their is an after life. Clearly not similar to that of GoW, if it were, everyone who has died in SF would still be alive. Cuz they all would have escaped from hell...or heaven, 'specially bastards like Gotetsu.

But does not confirm there is a God or Satan, and featless demons will not keep Kratos down. 🙂 Only none of them are as strong as Kratos and cannot do what he can. But I digress.

Kratos can react with enough speed that Gouki will be headless as soon as hje is in range, and Gouken, though not dead, will be incapacitated.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
1) KMC fights take place on a neutral battlefield, unless specified. This one just takes place in a Jungle, and in a neutral-verse. Ergo, Kratos would go to GoW Underworld in this case, or the neutral-verse's hell.

You do realize that if many characters get sent back to their own hell, they would be immortal? In alotta games, the after life is just another dimension.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
2) Not always though. Them using his ideas as canon simply means they liked his idea, and decided to implement it as canon. But that doesn't mean that the degree of the feat would be the same; e.g. Ryu's Kaze no Ken was what killed Gouki iirc. I doubt his SF4 FA would kill Gouki.

They do it with alot of his stuff, tho. They borrow somethin' from every manga he makes. I don't think his potrayals are unfaithful. You do remember that the manga takes place in SFIII, 'after' IV (Ryu is much stronger) and that that attack was delivered by a Ryu 'after' his trainin' with Oro? The Ryu that originaly used the Fist of Wind is much more powerful than the Ryu in SFIV. So no, it would not have the same effect.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
But it will make the Hadoukens nothing more than failed projectiles.

They can throw alot of'em tho..easily. So, a few of'em failing to make conatact aint the big of a deal. It's like DBZ blast spamming.