Kratos VS Akuma and Gouken

Originally posted by NemeBro
And has to be activated somehow, probably physically. IIRC I read something about it involving hitting certain parts on your body but whatever.

But does not confirm there is a God or Satan, and featless demons will not keep Kratos down. 🙂 Only none of them are as strong as Kratos and cannot do what he can. But I digress.

Kratos can react with enough speed that Gouki will be headless as soon as hje is in range, and Gouken, though not dead, will be incapacitated.

1. Don't know where you heard that shit.

2. Yeah...the whole attacked by demons thing was confirmed to be bull shit long ago. Sorry🙂 (can't believe you puckin' said that, was a great for lulz, tho). The amount of your past sins is what destroys you, plus some other shit thats not specified.

3. Never seen Kartos move that damn fast. The normals in SF are easily faster than bullets and Akuma is God to them. You argue that Akuma can beat Dante but not Kratos, despite the fact that Dante is 'way' faster than Kratos. Strange...

Originally posted by No End N Site
No, it did not take years. The instant his body was destroyed, the Power of Mu was activated. He only decided to make is presence known in SFIV. The Big G-Man's been around for a while. The power of MU makes him immune to death, period. When his body was obliterated, his soul created another. It's not anti SNH, it's anti death.

Just thought I get that out there before I quote the book again...gonna take a while.

Pretty sure it was stated that he was in a deep coma for as long as it took for him to resurface for his SFIV debut. That, and it was also stated to my recollection that Ryu and Ken had laid his body in their dojo, which contradicts the whole "wiped the body from existance" thing. I'm pretty sure Gouken also didn't discover the "Power of Nothingness" until AFTER he resurfaced, and what prevented his death the first time was a similar maneuver to Gen's where he emptied his mind.

Unless what source you were talking about is more official and/or retcons or better explains the whole deal behind these things? Mind you, I'm not arguing right now, I'm asking.

Originally posted by BloodRawEngine
Pretty sure it was stated that he was in a deep coma for as long as it took for him to resurface for his SFIV debut. That, and it was also stated to my recollection that Ryu and Ken had laid his body in their dojo, which contradicts the whole "wiped the body from existance" thing. I'm pretty sure Gouken also didn't discover the "Power of Nothingness" until AFTER he resurfaced, and what prevented his death the first time was a similar maneuver to Gen's where he emptied his mind.

Unless what source you were talking about is more official and/or retcons or better explains the whole deal behind these things? Mind you, I'm not arguing right now, I'm asking.

The shit about him being in a coma was never official. The shit about Ryu and Ken layin' him to rest was retconed.

This book tells it all. Also said this a lil while back...

Originally posted by Me
I take back what I said (I just re-read the passage about Mu), Mu was activated instantly, but Gouken's spirit took several years to create a new body, it was a long process. It didn't take up until SFIV, but it took a while.

Originally posted by No End N Site
1. Don't know where you heard that shit.

2. Yeah...the whole attacked by demons thing was confirmed to be bull shit long ago. Sorry🙂 (can't believe you puckin' said that, was a great for lulz, tho). The amount of your past sins is what destroys you, plus some other shit thats not specified.

3. Never seen Kartos move that damn fast. The normals in SF are easily faster than bullets and Akuma is God to them. You argue that Akuma can beat Dante but not Kratos, despite the fact that Dante is 'way' faster than Kratos. Strange...

and iirc kratos blocked lightning at the end of god of war 2. not all too fast on his feet, but his reflexes would be amazing.

Originally posted by Sappho
just asking, but wouldnt you have to prove that sgs is actually instant, and not just part of the name.

and iirc kratos blocked lightning at the end of god of war 2. not all too fast on his feet, but his reflexes would be amazing.

I'm sure everyone here has seen what the move looks like. I shouldn't have to prove it. How it is activated is an unknown, tho. Once you're hit you die instantly.

There is a SF character named Blanka who has a move called Shout of Earth that strikes a nice portion of the screen with lightning. If Akuma could not get passed that, than he doesn't deserve to be one of the strongest SF characters because clearly, even with Blanka having the power to strike with lightning, he is not. He can also summon lightning from his own body with a move called Direct Lightning.

Originally posted by No End N Site
1. Don't know where you heard that shit.

2. Yeah...the whole attacked by demons thing was confirmed to be bull shit long ago. Sorry🙂 (can't believe you puckin' said that, was a great for lulz, tho). The amount of your past sins is what destroys you, plus some other shit thats not specified.

3. Never seen Kartos move that damn fast. The normals in SF are easily faster than bullets and Akuma is God to them. You argue that Akuma can beat Dante but not Kratos, despite the fact that Dante is 'way' faster than Kratos. Strange...

2. It's funny how you pick out a single flawed point of mine as if it mattered in a condescending fashion yet you yourself, on the whole, are wrong. Get over yourself brah. I never said I was the Streetfighter expert, and the specifics of the SGS may have changed without me noticing, what is it now?

3. Funny you say that. Considering Kratos is in fact faster than Dante. Kratos can block and reflect lightning, he can block an explosion from right in front of him, can react to super-hypersonic foes like Poseidon and Zeus with ease, etc. etc. Poseidon was practically frozen in a scene from GoW3 when Kratos was leaping from tentacle to tentacle while fighting him.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Heard a few descriptions of the move, one that says the user channels the 16 Hells of Buddhism through his own soul into his opponent, but it does not really matter.

2. It's funny how you pick out a single flawed point of mine as if it mattered in a condescending fashion yet you yourself, on the whole, are wrong. Get over yourself brah. I never said I was the Streetfighter expert, and the specifics of the SGS may have changed without me noticing, what is it now?

3. Funny you say that. Considering Kratos is in fact faster than Dante. Kratos can block and reflect lightning, he can block an explosion from right in front of him, can react to super-hypersonic foes like Poseidon and Zeus with ease, etc. etc. Poseidon was practically frozen in a scene from GoW3 when Kratos was leaping from tentacle to tentacle while fighting him.

1. Well, that's not right.

2. You got all "condescending" on me 1st, tellin' me about "featless demons". 'Just did it back, annoying right? The SGS was 'never' about bein' attacked by demons. People just made shit up. Gettin' stomped by your past sins has been what it's all about since 1998, Street Fighter Alpha 3.

3. He is not faster than Dante. Never seen anything that looked "hyper sonic" from Poseidon and Zeus. Show me this. And you do know that the conditions necessary to produce lightining (free electricity) can be replicated by Blanka...

-Blocked a massive point blank explosion. That explosion would be mach 30 at least going by the higher end ranges for solid explosives.

-Blocked a mach 30ish charge from a Leviathan.

-Athena in the novel crossed the distance of several miles 'at the speed of thought'.

-Artemis in the novel was said to shoot her arrows down 'swifter than lightning' and then get another arrow ready to shoot before the first shot ever hit the ground.

just some examples.

You realize that all of these speeds are HEAVILY depended on many factors that do not allow these certain things travel at the maximum speed, or anywhere near close to it, 100% of the time?

Not really the case here.

Sounds to me like you really think that all explosions, no mater the conditions or what casued them, explode at the same speed. Is this true?

And that lightining can be caused by more than atmospheric electricity. Tell me, what's really going on on these boards?

Explosions have a range, and even at their lowest, solid explosions are still hypersonic.

The magnitude and power of that explosion makes it unlikely that it was anything less than the absolute max.

Hell, even mere C4 explosions can range up to 9000 m/s for detonation velocity.

-Not sure what your point is on the electricity.

Originally posted by No End N Site
I'm sure everyone here has seen what the move looks like. I shouldn't have to prove it. How it is activated is an unknown, tho. Once you're hit you die instantly.

There is a SF character named Blanka who has a move called Shout of Earth that strikes a nice portion of the screen with lightning. If Akuma could not get passed that, than he doesn't deserve to be one of the strongest SF characters because clearly, even with Blanka having the power to strike with lightning, he is not. He can also summon lightning from his own body with a move called Direct Lightning.

how it is activated is unknown, which is the point. however that maybe, im sure kratos can stop it from even hitting. im not arguing that the attack itself would kill you instantly, but thats if it hit him. the move doesnt hit instantly, it will kill instantly if it hits.

point was that you said kratos isnt "faster" than dante, but reflex wise, he is.

Originally posted by Sappho
point was that you said kratos isnt "faster" than dante, but reflex wise, he is.

The argument of Dante VS Kratos is like beating a dead hores. Not really going to go back into it now. But yeah, what you've just said, I've seen before.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Explosions have a range, and even at their lowest, solid explosions are still hypersonic.

The magnitude and power of that explosion makes it unlikely that it was anything less than the absolute max.

Hell, even mere C4 explosions can range up to 9000 m/s for detonation velocity.

-Not sure what your point is on the electricity.

Love to see this. And the way you hypin' this shit up, it better look like what Goku did when he fought Freeza.

My point was that dodging lightining is not a big deal in the world of video games. Characters do it all the time. Most game characters have super reflexes and reaction speeds.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Do not want spoilers, only answering this.

Kratos physically matched and even overpowered Hercules, who in the GoW canon did what Altas did, held up the world. That alone puts his physical power beyond even their ki amped power.

When was this stated? And I don't recall Kratos overpowering Heracles.

Originally posted by No End N Site
You do realize that if many characters get sent back to their own hell, they would be immortal? In alotta games, the after life is just another dimension.

This does not refute anything I stated, considering that the after life in Kratos' verse consists of going to the Underworld and being judged, and that what happens in a lot of other games bears no weight on what happens in one game.

SGS typically kills, and if Kratos is killed, he is taken to the Underworld, not to an Afterlife in another Universe.

Originally posted by No End N Site
They do it with alot of his stuff, tho. They borrow somethin' from every manga he makes. I don't think his potrayals are unfaithful. You do remember that the manga takes place in SFIII, 'after' IV (Ryu is much stronger) and that that attack was delivered by a Ryu 'after' his trainin' with Oro? The Ryu that originaly used the Fist of Wind is much more powerful than the Ryu in SFIV. So no, it would not have the same effect.

Do they copy all of it perfectly? Does it function exactly as it did in the manga?
I presume the whole mountain busting took place in their fight for Ryu. If so, it's just an alternate/possible view of the fight, but not necessarily the canon one.
Then there's the fact that, you know, the manga itself is non-canon, which automatically renders every feat non-canon.

K. And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that the debut of the Kaze no Ken in the manga...'after' his training with Oro?
My point was that the attack in the manga and the attack in the game will not always be at the same level.

Originally posted by No End N Site
They can throw alot of'em tho..easily. So, a few of'em failing to make conatact aint the big of a deal. It's like DBZ blast spamming.

If they are in quick succession, Kratos can deflect all of'em..easily. A lot of them being spammed isn't a big deal.

Originally posted by No End N Site
You argue that Akuma can beat Dante but not Kratos, despite the fact that Dante is 'way' faster than Kratos. Strange...

Straight line speed doesn't usually mean much in battle. Dante's combat speed is lower than his travel speed.
Reactions matter quite a lot as well, and Kratos is a Lightning-timer, which is exponentially beyond Dante's level of speed.

As for Akuma beating Dante, you do realize that Dante's actual durability is relatively low for someone of his caliber? His regeneration is what gives him his tenacity, but even that can be overcome. If Dante gets hit by a fairly high level punch from Akuma, there's a good chance he'll be KO'd, if not killed.

Originally posted by No End N Site
There is a SF character named Blanka who has a move called Shout of Earth that strikes a nice portion of the screen with lightning. If Akuma could not get passed that, than he doesn't deserve to be one of the strongest SF characters because clearly, even with Blanka having the power to strike with lightning, he is not. He can also summon lightning from his own body with a move called Direct Lightning.

Lightning/electric discharge from his own body, is not as powerful or as fast as natural lightning, not unless you have proof/info that it is actually that powerful/fast. If he were the personification of lightning or such, then it'd be a different case.

Originally posted by No End N Site

3. He is not faster than Dante. Never seen anything that looked "hyper sonic" from Poseidon and Zeus. Show me this.

He certainly isn't faster, not in terms of movement speed, but his reactions are probably better...I say 'probably' because while Dante has apparently fought a Lightning Timer, his own reactions aren't known to be as such.
Then there is Kratos' combat speed. His basic strikes take about as much time as the duration of a singular lightning strike.

Zeus is the embodiment of natural lightning in the GoW verse, and actually turns into it while in combat with Kratos.
As for Poseidon, he has accelerated from 0 to Super Sonic instantaneously, while his pet beasties are hypersonic.

Originally posted by iChaos
When was this stated? And I don't recall Kratos overpowering Heracles.

ii) Hercules references his Labour of finding the Golden Apple, which in mythology, required the aid of Atlas, who was carrying the Sky/World at the time. Therefore, Hercules offered to carry the Sky/World for a short time, while Atlas went to get the Apple.
Since most of GoW's background mythos is the same as Greek Myth unless stated otherwise, it's likely that GoW Hercules did indeed carry the World. It was then confirmed in the Novel.

Kratos can overpower Hercules when the latter charges at Kratos.
Then there is Kratos punching the arena (while Hercules is lifting it) hard enough that Hercules gets pinned under it.

And yet he still got his salad tossed, heh.

I'm thinking this might be a bit more fair if Kratos is stripped of all his jazz so it's H2H only O.O

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
i) GoW Novel (which is canon)

ii) Hercules references his Labour of finding the Golden Apple, which in mythology, required the aid of Atlas, who was carrying the Sky/World at the time. Therefore, Hercules offered to carry the Sky/World for a short time, while Atlas went to get the Apple.
Since most of GoW's background mythos is the same as Greek Myth unless stated otherwise, it's likely that GoW Hercules did indeed carry the World. It was then confirmed in the Novel.

Kratos can overpower Hercules when the latter charges at Kratos.
Then there is Kratos punching the arena (while Hercules is lifting it) hard enough that Hercules gets pinned under it.