Kratos VS Akuma and Gouken

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
This does not refute anything I stated, considering that the after life in Kratos' verse consists of going to the Underworld and being judged, and that what happens in a lot of other games bears no weight on what happens in one game.

SGS typically kills, and if Kratos is killed, he is taken to the Underworld, not to an Afterlife in another Universe.

Do they copy all of it perfectly? Does it function exactly as it did in the manga?
I presume the whole mountain busting took place in their fight for Ryu. If so, it's just an alternate/possible view of the fight, but not necessarily the canon one.
Then there's the fact that, you know, the manga itself is non-canon, which automatically renders every feat non-canon.

K. And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that the debut of the Kaze no Ken in the manga...'after' his training with Oro?
My point was that the attack in the manga and the attack in the game will not always be at the same level.

If they are in quick succession, Kratos can deflect all of'em..easily. A lot of them being spammed isn't a big deal.

Straight line speed doesn't usually mean much in battle. Dante's combat speed is lower than his travel speed.
Reactions matter quite a lot as well, and Kratos is a Lightning-timer, which is exponentially beyond Dante's level of speed.

As for Akuma beating Dante, you do realize that Dante's actual durability is relatively low for someone of his caliber? His regeneration is what gives him his tenacity, but even that can be overcome. If Dante gets hit by a fairly high level punch from Akuma, there's a good chance he'll be KO'd, if not killed.

Lightning/electric discharge from his own body, is not as powerful or as fast as natural lightning, not unless you have proof/info that it is actually that powerful/fast. If he were the personification of lightning or such, then it'd be a different case.

He certainly isn't faster, not in terms of movement speed, but his reactions are probably better...I say 'probably' because while Dante has apparently fought a Lightning Timer, his own reactions aren't known to be as such.
Then there is Kratos' combat speed. His basic strikes take about as much time as the duration of a singular lightning strike.

Zeus is the embodiment of natural lightning in the GoW verse, and actually turns into it while in combat with Kratos.
As for Poseidon, he has accelerated from 0 to Super Sonic instantaneously, while his pet beasties are hypersonic.

1. All what you posted means you missed my point. The jist of what I was sayin' was, for example, characters like the Darkstalkers live in Hell. If they die, they go back home and can easily come right back. Sounds broken to me, but if that's really the rules, than whatever.

2. ....And another miss. I never actually used that manga as canon, ever. My point was that the creator is very close to SF and Capcom and he knows the characters well. He always potrays them faithfully. While I would never say the events are canon, the characters were potrayed correctly in all areas. Ryu's FA was done by a SFII Ryu who had finished trainin' with Oro. That is why Akuma was defeated. SFIV's version is not as powerful because he has yet to even meet Oro and SFIII takes place years after IV.

3. I find that hard to believe. Kratos would have to be in multiple places at once to deflect every single Hdk.

4. You do remember that Dante has defeated gangs of Blitz? They are made lightning. He also defeated Nevan a.k.a the Lightning Witch. Dante had the power to conquer Alastor, the swrod that is the Spirit of Lightning in DMC verse and alotta other shit. A "Lightning-timer" is not a big whoop. Dante can consistently shoot barrages of bullets at barrages of bullets and hit every single one with no effort, "all" the time.

Dante is much faster than Akuma, and he has demon swords. Strength won't help much in that fight.

5. No Blanka's U2 summons lightning from the sky...or from his body (pendin' on KKK or PPP). And here is a fun fact, lightning 'is' electricity. Once the electricty leaves Blanka's body, it moves at the rate it which electricty does. Electricty only moves slow when travelin' through shit, like wires. When it's out and free, it all moves the same. Lightning moves fast because it is free, nothing but air to stand in its way.

6. Look back at 4 and 5

Originally posted by No End N Site
The shit about him being in a coma was never official. The shit about Ryu and Ken layin' him to rest was retconed.

This book tells it all. Also said this a lil while back...

Sorry to say this dude, but an Udon based stat book does not override primary canon.

YouTube video

Gouken clearly states "Regaining Consciousness" nothing about dying or reforming bodies.

krotos would never win i think so 😄

You think wrong.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Sorry to say this dude, but an Udon based stat book does not override primary canon.

YouTube video

Gouken clearly states "Regaining Consciousness" nothing about dying or reforming bodies.

Actually, you're wrong. Capcom says it's all canon. Doesn't matter how you feel (and I admit, alotta shit sounds stupid, now). But Word of God says the shit is official and there is a disclaimer in the front of the book with the author tellin' you that what's not found from the game itself is Word of God. Don't see why it would be that hard for UDON to get SF info from Cap when they are constantly workin' with the company. And "Regaining Consciousness" is kinda vauge, could be twisted to mean anything. Word of God overrides primary canon.🙁

Originally posted by CAPCOM
Udon and Capcom Announce Street Fighter World Warrior Encyclopedia

Udon and Capcom are pleased to announce another awesome collaboration, Street Fighter: World Warrior Encyclopedia! From the press release:

Inside you will find detailed profiles of every Street Fighter character from Abel to Zangief, including their histories, strengths, friends, enemies, and more! Ever wonder how Sagat lost his eye? Where did Ryu get his famous red headband? How does Crimson Viper’s battle-suit work? Is Ken really a natural blonde? You’ll get the answers to these and many more questions in this, the ultimate guide to the Street Fighter universe.

Each profile is accompanied by the pulse-pounding artwork of UDON artists like Alvin Lee, Jo Chen, Arnold Tsang, Jeffrey Cruz, Joe Ng, Gonzalo Ordonez, Omar Dogan and more. The artwork includes some of UDON’s best pieces from the past, plus many all-new pieces created just for this volume.

Whether you’re a newcomer just learning about the Street Fighter cast, or a long time player looking to catch up with your favourite fighters, the Street Fighter: World Warrior Encyclopedia is the only guide for you!

http://www.capcom-unity.com/jgonzo/blog/2010/03/30/udon_and_capcom_announce_street_fighter_world_warrior_encyclopedia

Posted on Cap's own site. It is what it is. "The truth is in the manual".

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Found it...

'Book even has bits of info for characters like Gunloc and Senpai.

Cammy is hot and awesome.

Just saying.

Too bad she's a damn Bison clone. "Selfcest" ahoy!

Bison never looked hawter.

If I were Bison, I'd selfcest Rose over Cammy.

U no Bison was groping himself win he was N Roses body B4 SFII.

Rose is pretty hawt too, but Cammy is more-so IMO.

Kinda wierd, tho. A Female genetic clone and the other half of your soul in the body of woman.

What are you implying sir? 131

Let's just say that if Bison was Midnight Blissed. He wouldn't mind...

Hm.

Lol.

I take it, you too would "make babies" with your clone and or, other half?

Originally posted by No End N Site
Actually, you're wrong. Capcom says it's all canon. Doesn't matter how you feel (and I admit, alotta shit sounds stupid, now). But Word of God says the shit is official and there is a disclaimer in the front of the book with the author tellin' you that what's not found from the game itself is Word of God. Don't see why it would be that hard for UDON to get SF info from Cap when they are constantly workin' with the company. And "Regaining Consciousness" is kinda vauge, could be twisted to mean anything. Word of God overrides primary canon.🙁

Actually, no it's not, word of producers and directors still plays secondary role to what is displayed onscreen during primary canon. The reason for this: Demonstrated capability within the story MUST supercede everything else. Otherwise every production members personal oppinion clashes and it becomes a quagmire of supposed "superior" canon information that conflicts with itself and every other source.

This is why we have "Tiers of canon sources".

For Street fighter is Must be the games and Only the games that are highest tier of canon.

Second tier would be comics, novelisation and the animes. The current anime's, Udon comics and novels are written and created alongside the games, but still allow for very minor deviations from the Games, hence while they are still canon, anything within them that conflicts with the original is con sidered non canon.

Basically, the further one branches out from the games, the less canon it becomes.

Originally posted by No End N Site
http://www.capcom-unity.com/jgonzo/blog/2010/03/30/udon_and_capcom_announce_street_fighter_world_warrior_encyclopedia

Posted on Cap's own site. It is what it is. "The truth is in the manual".

don't misinterprit a sales pitch as "Word of God"

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Actually, no it's not, word of producers and directors still plays secondary role to what is displayed onscreen during primary canon. The reason for this: Demonstrated capability within the story MUST supercede everything else. Otherwise every production members personal oppinion clashes and it becomes a quagmire of supposed "superior" canon information that conflicts with itself and every other source.

I understand you're reasoning...but I disagree entirely. Capcom is known for showin' shit in the game and then sayin' what actually happened is completly different from what we saw. Perfect example, SFA3. It's not the 1st time...wont be the last.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
This is why we have "Tiers of canon sources".

For Street fighter is [b]Must be the games and Only the games that are highest tier of canon.[/B]

I disagree, that is why we have memes like "Word of God" and "The Truth Is In the Manual". For me, and what Capcom intends with this product is...

What Capcom says>>>>>>what's in the game (they made the game). The game would have you believe things like: Sakura is still a school girl, Seth didn't fight Ryu prior to the game, Makoto and Ibuki are the same ages they were in 3rd Strike that they are in SFIV. 70% of the shit you need to know about the canon isn't the game. It's in the books and the canon is often misrepresented in the game itself. What happens in the game is sloppily thrown together for each character's scenario.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Second tier would be comics, novelisation and the animes. The current anime's, Udon comics and novels are written and created alongside the games, but still allow for very minor deviations from the Games, hence while they are still canon, anything within them that conflicts with the original is con sidered non canon..

This is true, but the SF WW Encyclopedia isn't a story made up by UDON with Capcom licensing the property. These are peeps who know Capcom well and has done their research and homework to make a guide on SF's canon. It's official.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Basically, the further one branches out from the games, the less canon it becomes.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
don't misinterprit a sales pitch as "Word of God"

Rather it's a sales pitch or not, it's what Cap USA said, they own SF and can do and say what ever the hell they want. When they speak on their own franchises, it is indeed the Word of God. This is literally akin to the guy who argued that Poison wasn't really born a man becuase what the company and source books state contridcts what's said in the game.

Sorry for the Double Post.

Addendum:

The very source your using (IE the Udon comics) already contadicts this.

Very clearly, Gouken's body was not "Taken out of existance". Therefore your reasoning for Mu giving Gouken the ability to create a new body is entirely a myth, until something comes along to prove it's existance.

Besides, the power of Mu "Creating" anything is contradictory to it's very nature and meaning...

Originally posted by No End N Site
I understand you're reasoning...but I disagree entirely. Capcom is known for showin' shit in the game and then sayin' what actually happened is completly different from what we saw. It's not the 1st time...wont be the last.

However, we cannot assume anything, As I stated, we HAVE to take primary canon as the superceding canon until actual retcons are done. The reason for this: People's oppinions can and do change over time, game development staff are no different.

Originally posted by No End N Site
I disagree, that is why we have memes like "Word of God" and "The Truth Is In the Manual". For me, and what Capcom intends with this product is...

Completely irrelevant unless we are talking aboiut unanswered questions and blank spots, which this is not.

Originally posted by No End N Site
What Capcom says>>>>>>what's in the game (they made the game). The game would have you believe things like: Sakura is still a school girl, Seth didn't fight Ryu prior to the game, Makoto and Ibuki are the same ages they were in 3rd Strike that they are in SFIV. 70% of the shit you need to know about the canon isn't the game. It's in the books and the canon is often misrepresented in the game itself. What happens in the game is sloppily thrown together for each character's scenario.

However, despite the inconsistancies, the rule of primary canon remains. If lesser canon contradicts what is in higher cannon, then the lesser canon is disreguarded, even if it is more stupid.

Originally posted by No End N Site
This is true, but the SF WW Encyclopedia isn't a story made up by UDON with Capcom licensing the property. These are peeps who know Capcom well and has done their research and homework to make a guide on SF's canon. It's official.

Firstly, since it was developed for Udon's story arch in mind, it is relegated to C level canon at best. Secondly, if it gets upgraded to B Level, it's still superceded by A level canon, which still shoots this out of the water.

Originally posted by No End N Site
Rather it's a sales pitch or not, it's what Cap USA said, they own SF and can do and say what ever the hell they want. When they speak on their own franchises, it is indeed the Word of God. This is literally akin to the guy who argued that Poison wasn't really born a man becuase what the company and source books state contridcts what's said in the game.

That said, I trust the japanese sources more reguardless, you know this already, however, saying that, Cap of USA still has higher authority than UDON does.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Sorry for the Double Post.

Addendum:

The very source your using (IE the Udon comics) already contadicts this.

Very clearly, Gouken's body was not "Taken out of existance". Therefore your reasoning for Mu giving Gouken the ability to create a new body is entirely a myth, until something comes along to prove it's existance.

Besides, the power of Mu "Creating" anything is contradictory to it's very nature and meaning...

The difference is, that's from a non canon comic and much of SF's history has been retconned in SFIV. And The part about Mu givin' Gouken the power to create a new body is taken from a book that compiles SF's official canon. And the fact that it contridicts what Mu means is meaningless. Cammy is an exact clone of Bison despite the clone being a 'her' and has blonde hair. It's a work of fiction. What Capcom states is not a myth, you just have to learn to except it. I can post scans of the passage if you wish. In fact, tomorrow, I will.

My intent is not to mislead, only to inform.