Originally posted by Robtard
Qui Gon Gin explained it in EP:1.'Able to see events right before they happen and react to them.' Why a little boy was the only human with reflexes fast enough to fly a Pod-Racer, why Jedi can block blaster blots.
Key word: BEFORE
The Force permeates all living things, binding the galaxy together.
Obi Wan: "It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together."
With me so far?
We need to know a few things before we proceed.
1. Where the battle takes place.
2. How far are Snape and Vader from each other.
3. Is it a duel, or just a random encounter.
4. Prep or no prep.
5. Do they have knowledge of each other.
These things could swing the thread either way. I'll pm DT and ask him to clarify here. Until then, the debate is pointless.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The Force permeates all living things, binding the galaxy together.Obi Wan: "It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together."
With me so far?
You asked a specific question concerning Force-precog; I answered it.
Just get to the point of the ridiculous angle you're attempting now and stop with the dramatics, we're not chics.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
We need to know a few things before we proceed.1. Where the battle takes place.
2. How far are Snape and Vader from each other.
3. Is it a duel, or just a random encounter.
4. Prep or no prep.
5. Do they have knowledge of each other.These things could swing the thread either way. I'll pm DT and ask him to clarify here. Until then, the debate is pointless.
why bother worrying about these things when the thread is 10 pages too long?
Originally posted by Robtard
You asked a specific question concerning Force-precog; I answered it.Just get to the point of the ridiculous angle you're attempting now and stop with the dramatics, we're not chics.
OK then. Snape is not from the SW universe, therefore the force does not apply to him. Biggity bang, precog doesn't work on him. It only works on beings who are bound by the force. Snape's not.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK then. Snape is not from the SW universe, therefore the force does not apply to him. Biggity bang, precog doesn't work on him. It only works on beings who are bound by the force. Snape's not.
Oh me, oh my.
1) Precog wouldn't be "working" on Snape, it would be working for Vader, it's a personal Force ability. It's not like Force-push that affects someone/something else.
2) If you're going to do the "Jedi are from Mars and Wizards are from Uranus" argument about powers not working cos of different universes and such, then Jedi are immune to magical spells in return, since they're not from the HP universe.
So considering the above, we have a guy with an energy-blade that can cut throw most things and greatly enhanced physical abilities vs a guy with a little stick. See, yet another finagle failed.
Originally posted by Robtard
Oh me, oh my.1) Precog wouldn't be "working" on Snape, it would be working for Vader, it's a personal Force ability. It's not like Force-push that affects someone/something else.
2) If you're going to do the "Jedi are from Mars and Wizards are from Uranus" argument about powers not working cos of different universes and such, then Jedi are immune to magical spells in return, since they're not from the HP universe.
So considering the above, we have a guy with an energy-blade that can cut throw most things and greatly enhanced physical abilities vs a guy with a little stick. See, yet another finagle failed.
1. It's a force ability that works on beings that are bound by the force. Snape is not bound by the force, he is foreign to it, like the Vong. The Jedi could not read the Vong either.
2. See, I'm not saying that force choke cannot choke Snape out, or that push would have no effect on him. Why you trying to take spells away from Snape now?
A guy with a little stick.....Oh man.......HP hate, this is why you can;t admit that Snape kills Vader in seconds.
You just said a post above: "Snape is not from the SW universe, therefore the force does not apply to him", but you're deciding that only Force-precog wouldn't work, while Force-push would? LolZ, dude, the rediculous levels you'll go to have your Harry Potter-ness win has no limits.
If you're taking away the Force affecting Snape cos he's from a different universe, fine, then try to be objective and apply the same thing with magic affecting Vader.
Na, fact, if the Force and Magic don't affect the user's opponent due to your "different universe" angle, then Snape is just a guy with a little stick, while Vader still has a kick-ass weapon and mad battle skills.
This "different universe" angle failed, bro; Vader would still win. Think of something else.
Originally posted by RobtardForce push-pull-choke are physical attacks on ones person. Of course they'll work. Just like spells will work on Vader.
You just said a post above: "Snape is not from the SW universe, therefore the force does not apply to him", but you're deciding that only Force-precog wouldn't work, while Force-push would? LolZ, dude, your nonsense has no limits.
What I am saying is that Snape will be invisible to the force. The force will not recognize him. Powers like precog, and the ability to sense his presence, will not apply to him.
If you're taking away the Force affecting Snape cos he's from a different universe, fine, then try to be objective and apply the same thing with magic affecting Vader.This is not a +1, -1 debate.
Na, fact, if the Force and Magic don't affect the user's opponent due to your "different universe" angle, then Snape is just a guy with a little stick, while Vader still has a kick-ass weapon and mad battle skills.Read what I said above:
Force push-pull-choke are physical attacks on ones person. Of course they'll work, just like a spell will work on Vader.
What I am saying is that Snape will be invisible to the force. The force will not recognize him. Powers like precog, and the ability to sense his presence, will not apply to him.
You're taking what I say and twisting it around to suit your argument.
Originally posted by Robtardhaermm Bullshit, this thread is mine, I've ***** slapped any and every argument you've thrown at me.
This "different universe" angle failed, bro; Vader would still win. Think of something else.
Force choke: Snape death spells Vader, because I have proven that Snape can speak while in force choke.
Force pull: Snape death spells Vader as he is being pulled.
Force push: Snape apparates away.
All of the above: Snape can cast spells just as fast as Vader can cast force attacks. Yes, he can. Watch the vids I posted. Stop posting your opinion and accept the EVIDENCE I brought.
The vids I posted>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your opinion.
Gracias.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Force push-pull-choke are physical attacks on ones person. Of course they'll work. Just like spells will work on Vader.What I am saying is that Snape will be invisible to the force. The force will not recognize him. Powers like precog, and the ability to sense his presence, will not apply to him.
This is not a +1, -1 debate.
Read what I said above:
Force push-pull-choke are physical attacks on ones person. Of course they'll work, just like a spell will work on Vader.
What I am saying is that Snape will be invisible to the force. The force will not recognize him. Powers like precog, and the ability to sense his presence, will not apply to him.
You're taking what I say and twisting it around to suit your argument.
LoLz, what you're doing is deciding what will work and specifically taking out Force-precog, cos it's shown to be the end for your wizard. Poor form and another last ditch effort to win.
IF we're applying the "different universe" angle, then The Force doesn't work on Snape in it's entirety and magic doesn't work on Vader in it's entirety, be objective, dude.
Personally, this is stupid both ways, but it's all you.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
haermm Bullshit, this thread is mine, I've ***** slapped any and every argument you've thrown at me.Force choke: Snape death spells Vader, because I have proven that Snape can speak while in force choke.
Force pull: Snape death spells Vader as he is being pulled.
Force push: Snape apparates away.
All of the above: Snape can cast spells just as fast as Vader can cast force attacks. Yes, he can. Watch the vids I posted. Stop posting your opinion and accept the EVIDENCE I brought.
The vids I posted>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your opinion.
Gracias.
You're yet to properly get past Vader stomping Snape first due to Force-precog; it's why you've just tried your bullshit "Force-precog won't work with Snape" angle.
It's very telling, the pro Vader argument has stayed basically the same since page 1, while you've tried to finagle a win for Snape for 10 pages now any which way you can think of.
Originally posted by RobtardLast ditch effort for a win? I won the thread pages ago, dude. The HP haters (Robtard, President and CEO), ignore this.
LoLz, what you're doing is deciding what will work and specifically taking out Force-precog, cos it's shown to be the end for your wizard. Poor form and another last ditch effort to win.
And no, all I am saying is that Vader's precog relies on the force permeating his opponent. Snape, not recognized by the force, is not victim to this. Physical attacks like force push, they'll work fine.
The force has to read someone to warn Vader of their intent. If the force cannot read Snape, then it has nothing to work with. It's quite simple. Snape is not bound by the Force. Snape has no Force presence that can be sensed. This meant that any attempt to sense their motivation, or to determine their next course of action was a wasted effort.
IF we're applying the "different universe" angle, then The Force doesn't work on Snape in it's entirety and magic doesn't work on Vader in it's entirety, be objective, dude.Read what I just said, for the second time.
Personally, this is stupid both ways, but it's all you.Nah, it's just you not wanting a wizard to beat a Jedi.
I'll say this: If they fight in the SW universe, then MAYBE Snape is bound by the force. Then precog would work on him. If they are outside the SW universe, then the force is not permeating Snape, Vader has nothing to read.
The idea of Snape being bound by the force if in the SW universe still doesn't fly with me, though.
Originally posted by RobtardActually I have proven without a doubt that Snape can cast spells as fast as Vader can cast force attacks. You ignoring that won't change it.
You're yet to properly get past Vader stomping Snape first due to Force-precog; it's why you've just tried your bullshit "Force-precog won't work with Snape" angle.
It's very telling, the pro Vader argument has stayed basically the same since page 1, while you've tried to finagle a win for Snape for 10 pages now any which way you can think of.
More like after I raped the ProVader arguments, I tried a different way to make them understand. It's like dumbing it down for a class full of special education students.
Here's an idea, why not make it a neutral fighting area where all their powers and spells work, as it has been in these forums since time began and as it has been in this thread for 9 pages?
Answer: Cos you're trying desperately to pull a win when there isn't one. As I said, you're the one with the ever evolving bullshit angles in here; not the pro-Vader argument; it's very telling.
If you had proven your case, you wouldn't be here insisting that Force-precog doesn't work now, which coincidentally is the argument you can't get pasted. Vader attacks first.
Originally posted by Robtard
Here's an idea, why not make it a neutral fighting area where all their powers and spells work, as it has been in these forums since time began and as it has been in this thread for 9 pages?Why? Cos you're trying desperately to pull a win when there isn't one. As I said, you're the one with the ever evolving bullshit angles in here; not the pro-Vader argument; it's very telling.
That's how I was discussing it for the first 12 pages.
Here's Vader's possible attacks:
Force choke: Snape death spells Vader, because I have proven that Snape can speak while in force choke.
Force pull: Snape death spells Vader as he is being pulled.
Force push: Snape apparates away.
All of the above: Snape can cast spells just as fast as Vader can cast force attacks. Yes, he can. Watch the vids I posted. Stop posting your opinion and accept the EVIDENCE I brought.
All fact, all indisputable. And all ignored.
Fact: The force has limits. HP magic does not. HP magic is much more powerful, and can do far more than the force.
Originally posted by RobtardI have proven my case, I have went far beyond opinions and backed it up with video evidence. Ignored.If you had proven your case, you wouldn't be here insisting that Force-precog doesn't work now, which coincidentally is the argument you can't get pasted. Vader attacks first.
Snape: Less than a second to cast and have sectumsempra hit it's victim.
Vader: About the same to cast force push.
Difference is that Snape will get up, perhaps a bit shaken, while Vader's torso will be sliced to ribbons.
There's your proof. But once again you'll ignore it.
Na, dude; here's what you did:
Tried to ignore that Vader's Force-precog and superior reaction means nothing and that Snape is either his equal or faster, somehow. Then you tried to take away Force-precog all together.
Insisted that Snape would be ready with a spell before the fight starts and tried to ignore that Vader would be in like mode, ready.
You gave carte blanche use of wizard powers to Snape cos "he's a powerful wizard", while not applying that same mindset in regards to Vader and of his mastery of the Force. EG Snape teleporting around like Nighcrawler, while Vader not being able to apply the Force around someones neck fast enough to crush/snape.
That's the cliff-notes version of your nonsense, I'm sure I missed some gems that transpired over these 10 pages.
Got your Harry Potter Deathly Hollows ticket paid for already?
Originally posted by RobtardOK that was a bad idea, I'll cease on that. It's still a valid argument, but it'd kill every SW thread ever made here.
Na, dude; here's what you did:Tried to ignore that Vader's Force-precog
and superior reaction means nothing and that Snape is either his equal or faster, somehow.Vader is shown casting force attacks at the same speed as Snape is seen casting spells.
Insisted that Snape would be ready with a spell before the fight starts and tried to ignore that Vader would be in like mode, ready.No, I never did that. I said this:
Snape: Less than a second to cast and have sectumsempra hit it's victim.
Vader: About the same to cast force push.
Difference is that Snape will get up, perhaps a bit shaken, while Vader's torso will be sliced to ribbons.
You gave carte blanche use of wizard powers to Snape cos "he's a powerful wizard",That was about magic in general, dude, compared to the force.
while not applying that same mindset in regards to Vader and of his mastery of the Force.Vader is brash, foolhardy and way overconfident. Snape is not. Who's more likely to **** up in battle?
EG Snape teleporting around like Nighcrawler, while Vader not being able to apply the Force around someones neck fast enough to crush/snape.Again with the NC shit. I never claimed that. Stop making shit up.
Vader does not crush necks. Stop that. Stop making shit up.
Got your Harry Potter Deathly Hollows ticket paid for already?No. I don;t do theaters. I'll buy the dvd.