RoTS Vader vs Half-Blood Prince

Force choke: Snape death spells Vader, because I have proven that Snape can speak while in force choke.

No you haven't you tard. You've proven that Padme could talk while Anakin was specifically avoiding killing her. In fact he demonstrates such control of the power that he sends her into unconsciousness with a twitch when he wants to.

Or crush several droids and objects, as he will Snapes neck.

Force pull: Snape death spells Vader as he is being pulled.

Not if he pulls Snapes wand away instead of Snape himself, rendering Snape defenceless.

Force push: Snape apparates away.

Agreed, Force push is barely a offensive power at all.

All of the above: Snape can cast spells just as fast as Vader can cast force attacks. Yes, he can. Watch the vids I posted. Stop posting your opinion and accept the EVIDENCE I brought.

Lol, pot kettle black mate. Anakin has Force-assisted reflexes and Force speed. Snape has no chance.

Fact: The force has limits. HP magic does not. HP magic is much more powerful, and can do far more than the force.

This is a Magic vs Force thread, its Vader vs Snape. Stop continuing you rediculous crusade to prove one is superior to the other.

Again with the NC shit. I never claimed that. Stop making shit up.

Actually you have namedropped NC while talking about apparition before. Probably multiple times.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Uh, the last thing I said.

then you should have realized that a long time ago instead of now

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
then you should have realized that a long time ago instead of now

Originally posted by Nephthys
No you haven't you tard. You've proven that Padme could talk while Anakin was specifically avoiding killing her. In fact he demonstrates such control of the power that he sends her into unconsciousness with a twitch when he wants to.

Snape will be able to talk while being choked ✅

Or crush several droids and objects, as he will Snapes neck.

Not if he pulls Snapes wand away instead of Snape himself, rendering Snape defenceless.

Watch a HP movie.

Agreed, Force push is barely a offensive power at all.

Lol, pot kettle black mate. Anakin has Force-assisted reflexes and Force speed. Snape has no chance.

Nope.

Moving on.

This is a Magic vs Force thread, its Vader vs Snape. Stop continuing you rediculous crusade to prove one is superior to the other.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Actually you have namedropped NC while talking about apparition before. Probably multiple times.

Non verbal spells, dude. Apparition.

Originally posted by ares834
All require a wand.

Show me a single instance where they are not used.

Edit: The only wizards I recall using wandless magic intentionally in the books were Dumbledore and Voldemort both of whom are in a class of their own.

Apparition requires no wand. There are too many instances of wizards using non-wand and/or non verbal spells in the films to name. Everyone from professors to students to the random wizard in a pub does it.

Check it:

YouTube video

No wand. Cool, innit? Nothing but intangible clouds of smoke, capable of destroying bridges and going invisible.

Yet they are clearly holding wands at 1:01...

Originally posted by ares834
Yet they are clearly holding wands at 1:01...

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Wand

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Wandless_spell

No, your just assuming they don't use them to apparate. They still have a wand in their possession. In HP 7 Ron attempts to apparate without a wand and fails.

Plus there are several times where it would be incredibly useful for characters to apparate when they are wandless and don't. Such as when Umbrige is captured by the centaurs.

Edit: And even if he could apparate... Big deal, he can't cast any other powerful spells.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Wand

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Wandless_spell

Originally posted by ares834
No, your just assuming they don't use them to apparate. They still have a wand in their possession. In HP 7 Ron attempts to apparate without a wand and fails.

Plus there are several times where it would be incredibly useful for characters to apparate when they are wandless and don't. Such as when Umbrige is captured by the centaurs.

Edit: And even if he could apparate... Big deal, he can't cast any other powerful spells.

Is this suppossed to impress me... First its a wiki. Second it says nothing about Snape using wandless magic. And really it only has Dumbledore and Voldemort preforming anything of use which I have already said...

You see a wand in Dumbledore's hand?

YouTube video

No. Also, in one of the movies, Fred and George apparate without a wand.

End of discussion.

Originally posted by ares834

Edit: And even if he could apparate... Big deal, he can't cast any other powerful spells.

Is this suppossed to impress me... First its a wiki. Second it says nothing about Snape using wandless magic. And really it only has Dumbledore and Voldemort preforming anything of use which I have already said...

HP magic is more powerful than the force, dude, there's no question there. If Snape wants his wand back, he'll get it back.

Once again this is Dumbeldore... He is well beyond Snape. And when do George and Fred apparate without wands is it in OotP?

Finally, I'll state it again. Even is Snape can apparate without a wand he loses most if not all of his offensive capabilities.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So he accio's his wand back to his hand. Simple.

Harry: But I'm not allowed a broom.

Mad-Eye Mood: You're allowed a wand.

I mean if it was that easy to get back a wand expeliarmus would be completley useless. Plus its not that hard to snap a wand...

HP magic is more powerful than the force, dude, there's no question there. If Snape wants his wand back, he'll get it back.

Originally posted by ares834
Once again this is Dumbeldore... He is well beyond Snape. And when do George and Fred apparate without wands is it in OotP?

Finally, I'll state it again. Even is Snape can apparate without a wand he loses most if not all of his offensive capabilities.

I think it was in OOTP, when they scare their mom. They had no wand.

More powerful? Now you're splitting hairs.

You are assuming that the force is sufficient enough to disarm Snape. Expelliarmus>>>>>Force pulling away a wand. The only time a wizard is seen being disarmed is with expelliarmus. Yoda cannot do expelliarmus.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I think it was in OOTP, when they scare their mom. They had no wand.

More powerful? Now you're splitting hairs.

You are assuming that the force is sufficient enough to disarm Snape. Expelliarmus>>>>>Force pulling away a wand. The only time a wizard is seen being disarmed is with expelliarmus. Yoda cannot do expelliarmus.

Originally posted by ares834
When has Snape ever done this, or anyone for that matter...

Harry: But I'm not allowed a broom.

Mad-Eye Mood: You're allowed a wand.

I mean if it was that easy to get back a wand expeliarmus would be completley useless. Plus its not that hard to snap a wand...

So because the force can do it, HP magic can? Lulz.

Correct, accio requires a wand, I was wrong.

Fact remains that expelliarmus disarms wizards. The force is not magic, and it is not expelliarmus.

We can go on for pages about this, but there is no way in hell anyone can prove that a wand can be force pulled from a wizard. Even if Snape loses his wand, he can simply apparate to Ollivander's and get a new one.

Not to mention that during the Occlumency scene, Snape chooses a wand from several. He has more than one.