RoTS Vader vs Half-Blood Prince

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
MVF rules, dude. The OP was quite specific.

And if you think a Jedi/Sith does not get stronger/learn new shit as they age, then you're a dumbass.

In that case wizard-man can't teleport, unless he teleported in the film etc. etc. etc.

Or we(you) can stop being bumbasses and realize that the time between Vader fighting Obi Won and him donning the suit was a very short time and he wouldn't have "learned" anything new.

So back to my first post/fist page: fight starts, Force-precog and reaction-time = wizard gets force-pushed so hard he's ****ed up; Vader can then take him out shortly after.

Said it before, but you really should changed your handle to RogueWizard, RoguePotter, ILUVHarry or something of that nature, be more fitting, bro.

Originally posted by Robtard
In that case wizard-man can't teleport, unless he teleported in the film etc. etc. etc.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

OK, you wanna be a feat nazi? Fine. Here's some things about Anakin:

1. He can perform force choke from no farther than 1 foot away, and only on defenseless women.

2. He never used force speed.

3. He never blocked a magical spell.

4. He never got past a protego shield charm.

5. His force powers do not extend more than 10-20 feet.

Now, you still wanna Snape cannot apparate? We can go that route, but bear in mind that makes it even more of a curbstomp in favor of Snape.

OK then? Let's be feat Nazis!!! Wheeeeeeeeeee!!!! Snape and Vader can do ONLY what they were SHOWN doing onscreen. AND each feat is limited to what was shown. The force choke? Only from a foot away, and only on defenseless women, AND she was able to speak. You game?

Or we(you) can stop being bumbasses and realize that the time between Vader fighting Obi Won and him donning the suit was a very short time and he wouldn't have "learned" anything new.

So back to my first post/fist page: fight starts, Force-precog and reaction-time = wizard gets force-pushed so hard he's ****ed up; Vader can then take him out shortly after.

Said it before, but you really should changed your handle to RogueWizard, RoguePotter, ILUVHarry or something of that nature, be more fitting, bro.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So that brings us back to this:

OK then? Let's be feat Nazis!!! Wheeeeeeeeeee!!!! Snape and Vader can do ONLY what they were SHOWN doing onscreen. AND each feat is limited to what was shown. The force choke? Only from a foot away, and only on defenseless women, AND she was able to speak. You game?

The "learning new shit" part was about the gap between ROTS and ESB. Dumbass.

Nah, I have proven with VIDS that Snape casts spells as fast if not faster than Vader casts force attacks. Legilimens>>>>>Babbling retarded Vader.

Why? I love SW. Should I change it because I recognize a superior power set?

No, dude, makes it more of a stomp in favor of Vader, he's still got his Force-precog, reaction-time, Force-push and mad sabre skills. More than enough to take out wizard before magic-man can cast a spell. So gimping them or being sensible in their powers nets in favor of Vader either way.

Which is irrelevant, knucklehead, not arguing that Vader is going to choke the wizard from across the galaxy. You're trying to limit what Vader could logically do despite him being an extrememly powerful Sith; while allowing anything for the wizard on the grounds thats "he's a master wizard". Do it for both, son.

Still ignoring Force-precog and Sith/Jedi reaction-time I see. Vader will sense(as shown and stated numerous times in the films) the attack/spell before it happens and he has the speed/reaction-time to attack before it happens. <-- you have yet to get by this

Yes, you do love Star Wars, but you're in love with and absurdly infatuated with the Harry Potter franchise to the point you'll argue nonsense and throw objectivity out the ****ing window. How about "The_Wizza", it's not a bad handle overall and it relates back to your HP fanboyism.

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Originally posted by Robtard
No, dude, makes it more of a stomp in favor of Vader, he's still got his precog, reaction-time and Force-push. More than enough to take out wizard before magic-man can think of casting a spell.

See, there you go, ignoring wizard power, AND implying that Snape is an idiot. You think Snape is gonna be sitting there planning his next potions lecture as the fight starts? No. He'll have a spell in mind, he'll have his wand at the ready.

Now, watch the duel between Harry and Draco, watch sectumsempra. Here, FF to :48:

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Watch the timer, it took less than a second for Harry to raise his wand, cast the spell, and for it to hit Draco. And it hit Draco's entire torso, slicing his chest and stomach and arm to ribbons.

Now, Snape invented sectumsempra. Get it? They face of. Less than a second later, Vader is on the ground, his torso shred. Yeah, MAYBE he gets off a force push, but Snape simply gets up and walks away. And if you think Snape is gonna position himself next to a wall, you're sorely mistaken.

Which is irrelevant, knucklehead, not arguing that Vader is going to choke the wizard from across the galaxy.

Still ignoring Force-precog and Sith/Jedi reaction-time I see. Vader will sense the attack before it happens and he has the speed/reaction-time to attack before it happens. Sp gimping them or being sensible in their powers nets in favor of Vader either way.

Yes, you do love Star Wars, but you're in love with and absurdly infatuated with the Harry Potter franchise to the point you'll argue nonsense. How about "The_Wizza", it's not a bad handle overall and it relates back to your HP fanboyism.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
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This thread is no different than this shit.

Anakin/Vader fighting in ROTS:

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Now.....Watch how Vader approaches each fight. With his lightsaber. He never, not ever, opens up with force attacks. It's not his style

But here, he opens right up with force attacks?

Um........

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
See, there you go, ignoring wizard power, AND implying that Snape is an idiot. You think Snape is gonna be sitting there planning his next potions lecture as the fight starts? No. He'll have a spell in mind, he'll have his wand at the ready.

Now, watch the duel between Harry and Draco, watch sectumsempra. Here, FF to :48:

Watch the timer, it took less than a second for Harry to raise his wand, cast the spell, and for it to hit Draco. And it hit Draco's entire torso, slicing his chest and stomach and arm to ribbons.

Now, Snape invented sectumsempra. Get it? They face of. Less than a second later, Vader is on the ground, his torso shred. Yeah, MAYBE he gets off a force push, but Snape simply gets up and walks away. And if you think Snape is gonna position himself next to a wall, you're sorely mistaken.

Read the thread. It's in english.

So....Vader gets to go first, and Snape must wait until Vader finishes his attack to counter? How's the precog gonna work when Snape is making Vader dance around singing "I'm an oscar meyer weiner?"

No, it's you that HATES HP. You despise it so, you've made it quite clear to all.

Um, no, it's not that the wizard is an idiot or weak (already covered how powerful he is), it's that he's slower than Vader and Vader also has the added benefit of precogniton. ie Vader will be on him before he can cast. Which part of this don't you get?

But you do assume that Vader is an idiot and won't be ready with an attack, will ignore his Force-precognition and not capitalize on his super reaction-time. See: lack of objectivity.

I have been reading, which is why I'm pointing out your use of down-playing Vader while not applying the same levels of judgment to the wizard's powers.

Yes, Force-precog plus the reaction time to block blaster bolts means Vader gets to attack before a slower opponent. Again, you ignore what "precognition" means when it suits you, Vader will sense the wizard's "Oscar Myer wiener" attack BEFORE it happens and he can react/attack BEFORE it happens. Key word: BEFORE.

I don't hate it, I'm not here pondering Harry Potter and seething. I do think the films are lame, the acting is sub-par and the dialogue is ridiculous. Still, if it was Snape Vs Walter Sobchack, I'd argue that Snape would win. You on the otherhand have argued that Harry Potter would defeat Palpatine, dude.

Originally posted by Robtard
Um, no, it's not that the wizard is an idiot or weak (already covered how powerful he is), it's that he's slower than Vader and Vader also has the added benefit of precogniton. ie Vader will be on him before he can cast. Which part of this don't you get?

Less than a second for sectumsempra to be cast and hit it's target....

Force push takes at least a second to cast and strike, as does choke and pull.

Get a calculator, dude.

But you do assume that Vader is an idiot and won't be ready with an attack and capitalize of his super reaction-time, as you do fir the wizard. See: lack of objectivity.

I have been reading, which is why I'm pointing out your use of gimping Vader and while not applying the same levels of judgment to the wizard's powers.

Yes, Force-precog plus the reaction time to block blaster bolts means Vader gets to attack before a slower opponent. Again, you ignore what "precognition" means when it suits you, Vader will sense the wizard's "Oscar Myer wiener" attack BEFORE it happens and he can react/attack BEFORE it happens. Key word: BEFORE.

I don't hate it, I'm not here pondering Harry Potter and seething. I do think the films are lame, the acting is sub-par and the dialogue is ridiculous. Still, if it was Snape Vs Walter Sobchack, I'd argue that Snape would win. You on the otherhand have argued that Harry Potter would defeat Palpatine, dude.

Originally posted by Impediment
This thread is no different than this shit.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

Now.....Watch how Vader approaches each fight. With his lightsaber. He never, not ever, opens up with force attacks. It's not his style

But here, he opens right up with force attacks?

Um........

Yet you assume that the wizard will just teleport right away, cos.

Dude, you have ZERO objectivity when it comes to Harry Potter Vs anything else.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yet you assume that the wizard will just teleport right away, cos.

Dude, you have ZERO objectivity when it comes to Harry Potter Vs anything else.

The spell reaches Vader first and kills him.

And what do we have here:

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FF to 8:10....Is that Death Eaters half apparating, as clouds of smoke? Yes it is!!! Is that Hermione, trying in vain to fend them off with her wand? Yes it is!!!! Is that a Death Eater passing right through Neville's head, Yeah, it is!!!!

Proof, finally, that while half apparating, Death Eaters are but mere puffs of smoke and intangible.

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Less than a second for sectumsempra to be cast and hit it's target....

Force push takes at least a second to cast and strike, as does choke and pull.

Get a calculator, dude.

Vader's reaction time is in his saber dueling, not in casting force powers. Show me a vid of Vader raising his hand, casting a force pull/push, and having it strike the target less than a second later.

Gimping how? Explain.

How's he gonna see shit when Snape is rearranging his mind?

Wizardry powers are more powerful than Jedi powers. Accept it.

Force-precognition, dude. Vader will know BEFORE it happens and already be preparing/prepared.

Get a clue, dude. The second before the wizard casts is when Vader attacks.

You argued that the wizard will be ready with a spell before the fight starts, yet insist that Vader would not be ready in kind. If they're both ready, Vader's superior reaction-time means he goes first.

Good lord. One comes before the other. Sith speed > human speed

In some cases yes; in a fight like this, Force powers and abilities are superior. Being able to "see" before your opponent attacks and having the speed to kill/incapacitate him first would equate to being better [here]. Harry Potter wouldn't defeat Palpatine, just accept it and accept that Vader wins here too.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
crylaugh Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Given up? I've buried your arguments, time and time again. I've conceded shit, all I've done is proven, yet again, that wizard power>>>>Jedi power.

Snape death spells Vader if he is being force choked.
Snape apparate away from a force push.
Snape apparates away from a force pull.
Snape mind ****s Vader with legilimens.

End of debate.

Stop trying to be AC, it doesn't suit you.

Then explain why you're ignoring these two posts like SuperAIDS:

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh FUUUCK! Another of RJ's epic level burns. Quick someone get me some water here, I'm burning uuuuup!!!!!!!!

Man, what a fantastic argument. Such succinct counter-points! Such marvelous arguments! I fear that you've beaten me worse than my right hand on a saturday. And it was glorious!

You keep saying that. Try seeing if that makes it true.

[QUOTE=13077831]Originally posted by Nephthys
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Dear god. I'm seriously amazed that they actually let you near electronic devices. He wasn't trying to kill her doofus. He was choking her into unconsciousness. Meanwhile he has more than shown the ability to crush a human throat. Watch this again:

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Then go slap yourself.

And reply to my above post.

And notice how she still falls unconscious far faster than she should have. [/B][/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Nephthys
J.

No it doesn't, unless you can show proof that it can be spammed over and over again to dodge something, an application it has [b]NEVER been used for.

And even if he does dodge the first atack Anakin's going to zero in on him almost instantly with the Force (as he showed by being able to track the speeder in AOTC) and then rip his head off.

Yes it would be foolish to say that, but what you're saying is the equilvant of me saying that Mace will be able to spam Force push over and over to counter every little thing with the strength of nuke, even though he's never actually used the attack before. He has NEVER shown the aptitude, the ability or the skill with the power to be able to do that, so he can't. Its the difference between being able to punch and going 3 rounds with Mike Tyson. You're insinuating that Snape can do the latter, even though he hasn't even shown the ability to do the former.

Becuase he has NEVER done so, and NEVER shown the skill with the power to do so. So in short HE CAN'T.

That it is obvious that if something is touching they affect apparition. If Snapes being choked, whats your proof that he can apparate 'out' of it, when everything else touching a wizard apparating in teh movies has been taken with them?

I meant about the hightened reflex's, and I called you out on your 'it flailsh all the time Bluagh!' bullshit.

I did watch the video actually. And what I saw was Snape having enough time after harry cast the spell to turn around and reflect it back at him. Cry moar plz!

Force Sceam? That was a Force Choke. Check what you're posting next time.

Don't call me babe, muffcabbage. You posted one vid of Anakin Force Choking a defenceless woman by slowly raising his hand, one vid proving Sectumsempra is slow as hell and one vid of a force power Anakin can't even use. In short, you posted jack. That actually helped your argument that is.

Faceplam x1 Combo!

Why doesn't it count. Anakin used it. He had no speciial training or anything. What do you think its a power you can only use afetr having all your limbs cut off and then being set on fire, actually weakening your ability to use the Force. And you wonder why I said you don't know much about SW. 🙄

Cry moar plz!

They appear instantly, they don't apparate instantly. Look at the vid I posted, actual apparition is not instant. Also, prove that they appear instantly in the spot they're going to after apparating, becuase if the scene with Dumbledore apparating Harry is anything to go by, they don't.

MAN MUST BE NICE TO BE AN OSTRICH. ALL THAT NICE, LOVELY SAND TO HIDE YOUR HEAD INTO IGNORE FACTS. LIKE THAT THAT VID PROVES ITS NOT INSTANTANEOUS. SO GET THE **** OUTTA HERE WITH THAT 'HP WIZARDS ARE FASTER THAT SUPERMAN!' UTTER HORSESHIT.

Its a standard rule. If Snape can't beat Vader by any other way than by running away and getting something not in his standard equipment then obviously he isn't the superior combatant. It would be like me saying that Nightcrawler can beat Hancock because he can teleport and get a nuke. So obviously Nightcrawler is better than Hancock. OBVIOUSLY!!1!!

Faceplam x2 Combo!

Jesus Christ. What the hell is wrong with you? Seriously? God Damn. [/B]

Originally posted by Robtard
Force-precognition, dude. Vader will know BEFORE it happens and already be preparing/prepared.

Get a clue, dude. The second before the wizard casts is when Vader attacks.

You argued that the wizard will be ready with a spell before the fight starts, yet insist that Vader would not be ready in kind. If they're both ready, Vader's superior reaction-time means he goes first.

Good lord. One comes before the other. Sith speed > human speed

In some cases yes, in a fight like this, Force powers and abilities are superior. Being able to "see" before your opponent attacks and having the speed to kill/incapacitate him first would equate to being better [here].

If it were even close to being reliable, Vader would have all his limbs and never have to don a suit. FAIL.

Proof, finally, that while half apparating, Death Eaters are but mere puffs of smoke and intangible.

Good lord, a-are you ****ing blind or something? Intangible? What the ****! Did you not see them punting the kids around like they were in a effing hurricane? Are you seriously that dense? I mean, wtf?!!!

Originally posted by Nephthys
Then explain why you're ignoring these two posts like SuperAIDS:

And notice how she still falls unconscious far faster than she should have.

Debating with you is like trying to tell a screaming child to STFU, they're running around going "NANANANANANA!!!"

I have proven, with and great detail, how Snape wins here:

Force choke: Snape can still speak, he death spells Vader.

Force push: Snape strikes first, or at least as fast with a death spell or sectumsempra.

Force pull: Snape casts a death spell as Vader pulls him.

What other methods of attack does Vader have, besides his lightsaber?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

Now.....Watch how Vader approaches each fight. With his lightsaber. He never, not ever, opens up with force attacks. It's not his style

But here, he opens right up with force attacks?

Um........

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I am at a loss for words at the utter rank hypocracy in this post.

I just.... Wow. Seriously. Wow. God damn.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And what's Vader gonna do about it? Block it? Not gonna happen. Force speed? Well, if you're giving Vader force speed here, Snape has apparating.

Last time......Vader's superior reaction time is in saber combat only. He is never shown casting force powers with impressive speed.

Show me a vid of Vader casting force spells faster than Snape casts spells.

Aahahaahahaa precog is flawed, dude.

If it were even close to being reliable, Vader would have all his limbs and never have to don a suit. FAIL.

FFS, Vader will not have to block anything, he would get to attack FIRST, wizard will be flying back after being hit with a tremendous level of pressure. Force-speed as in the ability to react fast.

Ah, so now you gimp Vader and insist that Force-precognition and his Force enhanced reaction-time only affect his sabre skills. Cos.

Again, Force-precognition, which part of this don't you get? Vader will be ready and using Force-push before the spell goes off. At worse, they go off at the same time and they both get ****ed.

Precog is flawed in the sense that it can get overwhelmed (we already covered this, how you ignore), but not by one opponent with human-levels of speed against a Force-user as powerful as Vader.

Vader was fighting a very powerful Jedi(with similar powers) and it was implied that he let his rage override his common seneses. Basic SW knowledge, dude. So you soundly FAIL there.