Omega Red vs the Warrior Three

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Since apparently we are just re-posting the same thing over and over again:

It's the nature of Specters' powers that would have made it a possibility, not the scope. He has abilities that could have theoretically prevent such an event from occurring. Saying it won't work on Darksied "because like he is totally strong!" doesn't hold a lot of water. Darksied could probably prevent Red from using his powers in the first place with telepathy, but if he just stood their and let Red give it a go, there is nothing to suggest he would be unable to siphon Darksied's life force "because he is too powerful."

You have no precedent to suggest that Omega Red can drain someone like Darkseid.

You don't even have precedent to suggest he can drain someone like Thor.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Like Wolverine's healing is independent of his life-force?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
In the case of Darkseid, as the Omega Force is his life force, I don't think OR has displayed anything reasonably close to show him being able to control it if he succeeds or succeeding to begin with as others have tried and failed.

I mean, being perfectly honest, srank (and anyone willing to comment/reply), where do you put OR's limits at? Anyone with a life force? It's a serious question, mind you; what would you say is the most impressive foe who succumbed to the deathspores?

Omega Red supplements and modifies his own life force with that of whoever he siphons. Any physically being that is alive is fair game, the stronger they are, the stronger he'll be when he drains them.

The post impressive person he is taken down is Iceman, but him taking down an disembodied consciousness doesn't make much sense.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Omega Red supplements and modifies his own life force with that of whoever he siphons. Any physically being that is alive is fair game, the stronger they are, the stronger he'll be when he drains them.

The post impressive person he is taken down is Iceman, but him taking down an disembodied consciousness doesn't make much sense.

Okay, cool.

Do you have the scan of that? And do you consider that high-end but plausible or PIS or what?

Any physical being alive is fair game? That's a pretty bold claim. Where do you draw the line? Can he drain Galactus in your opinion?

Meh, it's Iceman. He was just defeated and was given third degree burns, while in his ice form.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Lulz.

You have no precedent to suggest that Omega Red can drain someone like Darkseid.

You don't even have precedent to suggest he can drain someone like Thor.

And you have no precedent that he can't...

His power is to drain life force on contact. You are suggesting that Darkseid some how has an innate ability to prevent this, that by nature of being powerful he has an intrinsic ability to no sell Omega Red's ability. If Darkseid let Omega Red try and drain him, he would fail, and the reason for that failure would be because Darkseid is powerful? That doesn't even make sense! Being powerful means your life force can't be drained?

lets reign in the no limit fallacy, pls. get back on topic with the Warrior Three and what feats they have to suggest they wont be drained and if their feats equal or surpass colossus, logan, or group of x-men using actual on panel facts and scans.

Originally posted by King Castle
actually his healing factor is tied to his will and spirit to an extend and the newest feat shows/ states his life force is self regenerating.

Isn't everyone's, or else they'd be getting weaker and weaker everytime they're injured or sick.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Any physical being alive is fair game? That's a pretty bold claim. Where do you draw the line? Can he drain Galactus in your opinion?

Meh, it's Iceman. He was just defeated and was given third degree burns, while in his ice form.

Galactus is an abstract being, he isn't bound to the same set of rules.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Okay, cool.

Do you have the scan of that? And do you consider that high-end but plausible or PIS or what?

It's PIS.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Omega Red supplements and modifies his own life force with that of whoever he siphons. Any physically being that is alive is fair game, the stronger they are, the stronger he'll be when he drains them.

The post impressive person he is taken down is Iceman, but him taking down an disembodied consciousness doesn't make much sense.

Some people have this backwards, it's not our burden of proof to show that the Warriors' lifeforce can never be drained to lethal effect by Omega Red... that's a negative proof fallacy. It's your burden of proof to prove that they can be drained to lethal effect by Omega Red. Omega Red already has limits on-panel when it comes to psionic lifeforce. Life absorbers like Rogue already have limits on-panel when it comes to godly lifeforce.

It's speculation at best.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Galactus is an abstract being, he isn't bound to the same set of rules.

So, he can't drain Galactus' life force.

Which means that he has limits.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And you have no precedent that he can't...

His power is to drain life force on contact. You are suggesting that Darkseid some how has an innate ability to prevent this, that be nature of being powerful he has an intrinsic ability to no sell Omega Red's ability. If Darkseid let Omega Red try and drain him, he would fail? Because Darkseid is powerful? That doesn't even make sense! Being powerful means your life force can't be drained?

Darkseid's lifeforce and the Omega Power are one in the same. Are you of the belief that Omega Red could drain and contain the Omega Power?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Isn't everyone's, or else they'd be getting weaker and weaker everytime they're injured or sick.

aside from that his body regeneration also heals and regenerates independent of his soul or main body basically being cut off from it's life force. 😬

Originally posted by King Castle
no, majority of people in comics are not superpowered with a healing factor tied to conscious control nor are they an immortal warrior reincarnated spirit destined to be reborn again and again who fights death avatars by sheer grit in astral battle to regain a foothold in the material world where a body is ready and waiting as it regenerates in order for it to be re inhabited by his spirit.

aside from that his body regeneration also heals and regenerates independent of his soul or main body basically being cut off from it's life force. 😬

No, but even normal people heal and can recover from illness/weakness etc. It's just that Wolverine does it faster.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
How is Iceman comparable to the Warriors Three? I agree that the Warriors' Three's lifeforce energies can be drained, but not that they're anywhere near the same level as Iceman's or, for that matter, Colossus'.

Some people have this backwards, it's not our burden of proof to show that the Warriors' lifeforce can never be drained to lethal effect by Omega Red... that's a negative proof fallacy. It's your burden of proof to prove that they can be drained to lethal effect by Omega Red. Omega Red already has limits on-panel when it comes to psionic lifeforce. Life absorbers like Rogue already have limits on-panel when it comes to godly lifeforce.

It's speculation at best.

besides we know the asgardian gods can be tired, weaken, exhausted within moments of battle that itself shows they can be physically drained independent of Omega Red by their own bodies physical limit and fatigue so we know they can be susceptible to basic toxins.

now why wouldnt they be effected to the death spores and the psionic/radiation field that omega radiates?

after all Daken has effected asgardians with his pheromones and simply being immune to earthly diseases doesnt mean they are immune to poisons and host of things that are not natural in nature some being modern mutations and powers of individuals

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Lulz. The burden of proof is on you to prove that Omega Red can drain beings of that caliber. No one in their right mind after all would ask for proof that Daredevil can't punch a hole through Luke Cage's chest.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Lulz. The burden of proof is on you to prove that Omega Red can drain beings of that caliber. No one in their right mind after all would ask for proof that Daredevil can't punch a hole through Luke Cage's chest.

Darkseid's lifeforce and the Omega Power are one in the same. Are you of the belief that Omega Red could drain and contain the Omega Power?

That isn't a comparable example. We know it is harder to damage someone with higher level durability, where as you have arbitrarily assumed that Darkseid's power someone grants him an innate ability to prevent his life force from being drained. Where has that ever been implied? There has never been any suggest that there is a correlation between the power level of a character and effort it takes Red to drain their life force. Red drains Colossus just as easily as he drains Jubilee. Red isn't wrestling Darkseid, he is siphoning his life force, there are plenty of ways Darkseid could stop this from happening... simply being powerful isn't one of them.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
It not the same at all. Warrior three arnt any more powerful then Colossus, to pretend they have some built in immunity that never been stated to life drain is foolishness.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That isn't a comparable example. We [b]know it is harder to damage someone with higher level durability, where as you have arbitrarily assumed that Darkseid's power someone grants him an innate ability to prevent his life force from being drained. Where has that ever been implied? There has never been any suggest that there is a correlation between the power level of a character and effort it takes Red to drain their life force. Red drains Colossus just as easily as he drains Jubilee. Red isn't wrestling Darkseid, he is siphoning his life force, there are plenty of ways Darkseid could stop this from happening... simply being powerful isn't one of them. [/B]

So you think Omega Red can take the Omega Power?

Originally posted by King Castle
the Ares moment was contradictory to her already having past moments of absorbing Thor, and Jugg poor analogy.

besides we know the asgardian gods can be tired, weaken, exhausted within moments of battle that itself shows they can be physically drained independent of Omega Red by their own bodies physical limit and fatigue so we know they can be drained.

now why wouldnt they be effected to the death spores and the psionic/radiation field that omega radiates?

after all Daken has effected them with his pheromones and simply being immune to earthly diseases doesnt mean they are immune to poisons and host of things that are not natural in nature some being modern mutations and powers of individuals

I think the question most of us are trying to figure out isn't whether or not they can be drained, but the effectiveness of said draining on their life force and whether or not it will be enough before they attack Red in concert.