Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Right after WWH ripped Iron Man in his Hulkbuster armor to pieces after being reminded of Caiera being incinerated in his arms. Ares was one of the first to fly in and engage him after Stark Tower collapsed.
But nothing really happened during that instances for you to use it as evidence.
^ You can call "Wolverine's fight with WWH a lot of things. Impressive isn't one of them. Neither was Ares'. Then again, you can argue that Mercury's "fight" with WWH was more impressive too. Until you remember context and WWH not wanting to fight the X-Men and all the while, wearing a sh1t-eating grin, and how WWH was when he fought Iron Man, the Avengers and the Fantastic Four.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You can call "Wolverine's fight with WWH a lot of things. Impressive isn't one of them. Neither was Ares'. Then again, you can argue that Mercury's "fight" with WWH was more impressive too. Until you remember context and WWH not wanting to fight the X-Men and all the while, wearing a sh1t-eating grin, and how WWH was when he fought Iron Man, the Avengers and the Fantastic Four.
Him taking multiple shots to the head was the impressive part... logan got stomped though.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah. With a sword called Godkiller. Irony is spelled I.R.O.N.Y.Ares would have snapped his neck had Alex not spoken words which paralleled his childhood. Did you not read the fight? Once again, ignoring that Ares actually telegraphed Phobos' attacks and continued to show him exactly that his method of attacking was completely inadequate from a tactical and skill point of view. That fight wasn't analogical to HulkvsSpidey at all. Ares would do worse to Wolverine. He already has. On-panel.
Ares telegraphed Phobo's attacks but was still being hit by them all except one.
I'm not sure one WHAT PLANET that's some crazy feat of skill but it sure as hell isn't 616 and you just saying that there's some massive difference between that and Hulk/Spidey doesn't make it so.
Ares would do worse to someone who has better feats of skill, damage soak, and a healing factor? No comes to mind.
Oh please, knocking Wolverine down with two blindsides and him getting up again is hardly worse... especially given that it was Wayverine. Nice to see your ass hat blinders are on again though.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Again, unfortunate you didn't like how their encounter was portrayed. It still happened. Sorry, but all those examples where Ares lost? Who did he lose to again among that list? Voidtry (who anally raped Wolverine rather ignominously)? I'm sorry Wolverine didn't put up anything that resembled a fight agaist him. Immortal Hercules (who would utterly rape-stomp Wolverine)? I'm sorry the best you have is having a table bring chucked at him or a mortal Hercules losing off-panel. Ares beat or matched the rest of that "laundry list." And when you stack how Wolverine has fared (or would fare) against the rest of those foes, you'll start realizing the level Ares operates on. Above Wolverine's.Ares 7/10 at least.
Yeah Herc would "rape stomp Wolverine" in spite of already losing to him in one fight.. "oh but he's so much different as an immortal.... Oh you mean like Thor? 🙄
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"unfortunate you didn't like how their encounter was portrayed. It still happened."
Yeah, Ares wins... Just because...
Btw: you should write a book about double standards, you'r a pro. thumbsup
Originally posted by jinzinGorgon would have been utterly phucked without Godkiller. Ares clearly was not. What don't you get?
Perhaps you missed the part where he also one shot him with a palm strike to the chest.
Originally posted by jinzinAnd maneuvering him right to the position res wanted him. Are you seriously trying to argue that Ares' damage soak negates or undermines the skill necessary to take Phobos down barehanded into a helpless position? Are you going to turn that same magnifying glass onto Wolverine whenever he uses his HF or bones to fight a skillful opponent? Irony? Or hypocrisy? You pick.
Ares telegraphed Phobo's attacks but was still being hit by them all except one.
Originally posted by jinzinRight. Sorry that Wolverine got embarassed by Ares and then Skaar in his own main ook.
Oh please, knocking Wolverine down with two blindsides and him getting up again is hardly worse... especially given that it was Wayverine. Nice to see your ass hat blinders are on again though.
Originally posted by jinzinYou really think Ares' fight against Voidtry was less impressive than Wolverine's? Are you on drugs?
Sentry, Wolverine tanked one of his attacks while weakened and actually managed to dodge/parry his attack.
Ares? Got owned.
If you think being ripped in half is somehow more impressive that doesn't surprise me.
Originally posted by jinzinWolverine toppled Herc in a three panel nonfight, and you call that winning? You seriously think immortal Hercules would lose to Wolverine and that bar fight was an accurate depiction of how Wolverine would win? Again, are you on drugs?
Yeah Herc would "rape stomp Wolverine" in spite of already losing to him in one fight.. "oh but he's so much different as an immortal.... Oh you mean like Thor?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Gorgon would have been utterly phucked without Godkiller.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ares clearly was not. What don't you get?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And maneuvering him right to the position res wanted him. Are you seriously trying to argue that Ares' damage soak negates or undermines the skill necessary to take Phobos down barehanded into a helpless position? Are you going to turn that same magnifying glass onto Wolverine whenever he uses his HF or bones to fight a skillful opponent? Irony? Or hypocrisy? You pick.
It most certainly does when you're arguing for his skill alone.
We've seen Wolverine tank hits to land his own, no one in their right minds would arguing that those feats are feats of skill.
Wolverine able to beat Shingen wasn't due to his skill... that's the argument your making for Ares here, and it's nonense.
And uh, again, when WE make arguments for Wolverine's skill we try to use examples where he isn't tanking damage to put up a suitable fight/defense/dominate because of precisely this reason.
Irony or hypocrisy would apply if I was doing the same thing, but unlike you I'm not blinded by my own egotism and I'm not doing what you're accusing me of so.....
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Right. Sorry that Wolverine got embarassed by Ares and then Skaar in his own main ook. You really think Ares' fight against Voidtry was less impressive than Wolverine's? Are you on drugs? Wolverine toppled Herc in a three panel nonfight, and you call that winning? You seriously think immortal Hercules would lose to Wolverine and that bar fight was an accurate depiction of how Wolverine would win? Again, are you on drugs?
I really don't have a problem with Logan getting beat up or knocked down in non fights, I just don't think it's evidence I would be using if I were trying to make Logan look bad. It certainly isn't proof of what you think it is.
Are's fight in terms of SKILL.. which is once again what we're talking about.... yeah, much less impressive.
I'm drug free.... are you? Because I didn't say the bar fight was an accurate representation of an actual fight between the two.
An actual fight between the two might actually dictate that Wolverine start cutting, slicing or stabbing Herc with those claws that he's so seemingly affraid of....
Again we know Wolverine beat Herc one on one, but in spite of that we'll ignore it because you don't like what happened.
Originally posted by jinzinRight. The times that Phobos had his sword slashes blocked by Godkiller was of no benefit to Gorgon. Gorgon, in a swordfight (where he gets tagged no less), didn't need Godkiller at all.
Which is why with one hit Phobos was disarmed, gaping mouthed, and helpless even momentarily having had his eyes whitened out from the impact.What comic did you read?
Originally posted by jinzinGorgon didn't "give up" on swordplay, he had Godkiller broken in half and flung from his hands. He was forced to go H2H. Phobos overstepped his advantage. If you really think that you could just ignore the entire 75% of the fight where Phobos shows superior swordwork and no-selling Gorgon's cheap lemme-resort-to-stone-stare trick, and act like Gorgon never would have use for Godkiller because he ended up tagging Phobos H2H is idiotic.
I don't get how you somehow came to the conclusion that Gorgon was phucked without Godkiller when the fight ended after Gorgon gave up on the swordplay and railed Phobos with one shot while Phobos was in the middle of swinging his sword all over his body... something that was artisitically at least, far more impressive than anything he ever tried on Ares.
You really think Gorgon is more dangerous without using Godkiller than he is with it?
Frankly, when Gorgon himself relied on his durability and HF to continue fighting after being slashed by Grasscutter leaves me with the impression that you haven't read the fght in a while. Because all the arguments you've been making, which flounder over each other make no sense taken as a whole.
Originally posted by jinzinSo then this is irony. Apparently, not hypocrisy. Let's see how certain posts of your's hold up to that.
We've seen Wolverine tank hits to land his own, no one in their right minds would arguing that those feats are feats of skill.Wolverine able to beat Shingen wasn't due to his skill... that's the argument your making for Ares here, and it's nonense.
And uh, again, when WE make arguments for Wolverine's skill we try to use examples where he isn't tanking damage to put up a suitable fight/defense/dominate because of precisely this reason.
Irony or hypocrisy would apply if I was doing the same thing, but unlike you I'm not blinded by my own egotism and I'm not doing what you're accusing me of so.....
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Right. The times that Phobos had his sword slashes blocked by Godkiller was of no benefit to Gorgon. Gorgon, in a swordfight (where he gets tagged no less), didn't need Godkiller at all.
You assume that without the sword he would be "phucked".
What lead you to that conclussion? Because it certainly couldn't have been the comic in question. Once Gorgon dropped the swordplay, he owned.
So the comic doesn't really support such a position.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Gorgon didn't "give up" on swordplay, he had Godkiller broken in half and flung from his hands. He was forced to go H2H. Phobos overstepped his advantage. If you really think that you could just ignore the entire 75% of the fight where Phobos shows superior swordwork and no-selling Gorgon's cheap lemme-resort-to-stone-stare trick, and act like Gorgon never would have use for Godkiller because he ended up tagging Phobos H2H is idiotic.
What's idiotic is pretending that Alex was showing "superior swordwork" through 75% of that fight when the only time he landed a blow was immediately AFTER resorting to his gaze in the first place.
What's idiotic is acknowledging that Gorgon had to go hand to hand but ignoring the results of that decision to presume a position IN SPITE of what happened when he did.
What's idiotic is ignoring the fact that in that particular comic, both swords broke in that clash and were still long enough to serve as short swords... OR ignoring that Phobos DID when he started swinging away, ignoring that Gorgon still had his on hand and opted not to and wasn't exactly forced into hand to hand...
Your absolutist sensabilities are idiotic.
Your take on the fight and your representation of it is idiotic.
At this point it's fairly obviously you either haven't read the comic or only managed a glance at it because you're missing some pretty obviously important context.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You really think Gorgon is more dangerous without using Godkiller than he is with it?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Again, I have in great detail... I own it. It's sitting right in front of me.
Frankly, when Gorgon himself relied on his durability and HF to continue fighting after being slashed by Grasscutter leaves me with the impression that you haven't read the fght in a while. Because all the arguments you've been making, which flounder over each other make no sense taken as a whole. So then this is irony. Apparently, not hypocrisy. Let's see how certain posts of your's hold up to that.
That you took the entirety of those pages out of context only serves as one more example of your utter egotism effecting what might otherwise be an interesting debate.
Originally posted by jinzinThere are several levels of phail in that underlined statement that I'm not sure where to begin.
Wasn't my argument.You assume that without the sword he would be "phucked".
What lead you to that conclussion? Because it certainly couldn't have been the comic in question. Once Gorgon dropped the swordplay, he owned.So the comic doesn't really support such a position.
Originally posted by jinzinYou're right, neither had sh1t to do with the fight. It was all physical.
Idiotic is trying to downplay Gorgon's measure in that fight by bringing up his stone stare, ignoring that Phobos was the first one to resort to his gaze in that fight.
Originally posted by jinzinYou're wrong. Phobos got the hits in. They didn't put Gorgon down, he with the impressive healing factor and durability (how IRONIC). Read the comic again.
What's idiotic is pretending that Alex was showing "superior swordwork" through 75% of that fight when the only time he landed a blow was immediately AFTER resorting to his gaze in the first place.
Originally posted by jinzinWe both know that what you're essentially arguing is that Gorgon should have resorted to H2H from the beginning and would have ended the fight sooner. Which is the real idiocy.
What's idiotic is acknowledging that Gorgon had to go hand to hand but ignoring the results of that decision to presume a position IN SPITE of what happened when he did.What's idiotic is ignoring the fact that in that particular comic, both swords broke in that clash and were still long enough to serve as short swords... OR ignoring that Phobos DID when he started swinging away, ignoring that Gorgon still had his on hand and opted not to and wasn't exactly forced into hand to hand...
I understand that's a position you've forced yourself into since the pure swordplay didn't work in Gorgon's favor. But it's still idiocy.
Originally posted by jinzinA wounded Ares put down Phobos barehanded in a few panels. A Godkiller-wielding fresh Gorgon put down Phobos after an issue-long fight.
Your absolutist sensabilities are idiotic.Your take on the fight and your representation of it is idiotic.
At this point it's fairly obviously you either haven't read the comic or only managed a glance at it because you're missing some pretty obviously important context.
What I think is irrelivent.
What's important is that the comic> Your presumption and going by the pages in that book Gorgon downed Phobos without it.
Nice red herring though. Fun stuff.Again, I have in great detail... I own it. It's sitting right in front of me.
That you took the entirety of those pages out of context only serves as one more example of your utter egotism effecting what might otherwise be an interesting debate.
Do the math. Don't confuse yourself with these imaginary details or your petulant and transparent notions that a Wolverine-related character shouldn't have been taken to task by a non-Wolverine related character. Just do the math. You can keep your results to yourself.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
There are several levels of phail in that underlined statement that I'm not sure where to begin.
Lets begin with the part where it's true.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're right, neither had sh1t to do with the fight. It was all physical.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're wrong. Phobos got the hits in. They didn't put Gorgon down, he with the impressive healing factor and durability (how IRONIC).
Yeah? No I'm not.
The only hit Alex got in that fight was immediately after the pause in battle cuased when he used his gaze on Gorgon.
That's it.
He got "hit" in, not hits.
You're being "idiotic" here to insist otherwise.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Read the comic again. We both know that what you're essentially arguing is that Gorgon should have resorted to H2H from the beginning and would have ended the fight sooner. Which is the real idiocy.I understand that's a position you've forced yourself into since the pure swordplay didn't work in Gorgon's favor. But it's still idiocy.
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WOW! I haven't seen a strawman that impressive since the last time I watched Wizard of Oz.
Uh, and no... How dare you presume to tell me what my argument is in some pathetic attempt to derail it.
My argument is that you're assumption that he was "phucked" without Godslayer doesn't stand up to what happened on panel. My argument is that your arguing AGAINST the "on panel" evidence you're typically so fond of.
But you want to ask if I'M on drugs? 🙄 What an as*hole.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
A wounded Ares put down Phobos barehanded in a few panels. A Godkiller-wielding fresh Gorgon put down Phobos after an issue-long fight.
Lol, a wounded Gorgon took down Phobos in two panels after the swordplay was over.. but... THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
You think Gorgon was "phucked" without Godslayer... on panel evidence proves you wrong.... it proves you completely and utterly wrong... but strawman away I guess.. it's all you've got here afterall.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I'm not sure that someone who just equated 6 panels to an "issue long fight" is exactly in a position to tell me to do some math here.
Do the math. Don't confuse yourself with these imaginary details or your petulant and transparent notions that a Wolverine-related character shouldn't have been taken to task by a non-Wolverine related character. Just do the math. You can keep your results to yourself.
Hey pot I'm just the kettle.
Also: Lulz @ "imaginary details" you mean like Phobos landing "hits"?... uh no unlike you, I actually read the comic. I own it.
Originally posted by jinzinHe kicked Gorgon in the face. You can have your insult back.
The only hit Alex got in that fight was immediately after the pause in battle cuased when he used his gaze on Gorgon.
That's it.He got "hit" in, not hits.
You're being "idiotic" here to insist otherwise.
Originally posted by jinzinRight... with statements like "Once Gorgon dropped the swordplay, he owned. " who am I to mincewords? Let's cut the bs. You know what you're trying to say, thanks for retreating from it. I couldn't care less if you act like you never said it. We both know that Gorgon without Godkiller is far less dangerous in a fight. And to ignore the benefit that Godkiller gave Gorgon throughout the fight is inane.
WOW! I haven't seen a strawman that impressive since the last time I watched Wizard of Oz.Uh, and no... How dare you presume to tell me what my argument is in some pathetic attempt to derail it.
My argument is that you're assumption that he was "phucked" without Godslayer doesn't stand up to what happened on panel. My argument is that your arguing AGAINST the "on panel" evidence you're typically so fond of.
But you want to ask if I'M on drugs? What an as*hole.
Originally posted by jinzinRight, like you owned the Ares comic where Ares curbstomped Phobos barehanded and wounded. Oh wait... that's right, you asked for scans. I have both comics. And I didn't enter this thread with a preconception that I was desperate to preserve despite not knowing Ares taking down Phobos in a few panels.
Wasn't an issue long. It was.. maybe 4/5 pages, of which only 6 panels actually pretained to the sword fight.Lol, a wounded Gorgon took down Phobos in two panels after the swordplay was over.. but... THAT ISN'T THE ISSE.
You think Gorgon was "phucked" without Godslayer... on panel evidence proves you wrong.... it proves you completely and utterly wrong... but strawman away I guess.. it's all you've got here afterall.I'm not sure that someone who just equated 6 panels to an "issue long fight" is exactly in a position to tell me to do some math here.
Hey pot I'm just the kettle.
Also: Lulz @ "imaginary details" you mean like Phobos landing "hits"... uh no unlike you, I actually read the comic. I own it.
Somehow now, you can take a fight where a wounded Ares takes down Phobos barehanded in a few panels and a fresh Gorgon takes down Phobos with Godkiller in an issue long fight... and somehow... what Ares did is not impressive at all.
Why? Because of his durability, strength and HF? Like Gorgon didn't enjoy enhanced durability, strength and HF? How the hell did you manage to drag out such nonsense for two pages? DO. THE. MATH.