Ares vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by jinzin
😂

Maybe I should be more clear. "DO. THE. MATH."... without that omnipresent and unquantifiable variable known as, "Wolverine always must win anyway somehow." Because whenever you insert that it's like putting in the exponent "0" into any math problem.

Let me demonstrate:

1+2=3
1+2+3+4=10

Different results each time what's put into it changes, right? But then this is what happens when you rely on the variable known as, "Wolverine always must win anyway somehow."

(1+2)^0=0
(1+2+3+4)^0=0

Y'see, the result always ends up the same. No matter what else you put into it, the conclusion is always the same as the exponent variable: "Wolverine always must win anyway somehow." Wolverithmetic at work. Let's stick with regular math. Regular logic.

This is the first lesson.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He kicked Gorgon in the face. You can have your insult back. Right... with statements like "Once Gorgon dropped the swordplay, he owned. " who am I to mincewords? Let's cut the bs. You know what you're trying to say, thanks for retreating from it. I couldn't care less if you act like you never said it. We both know that Gorgon without Godkiller is far less dangerous in a fight. And to ignore the benefit that Godkiller gave Gorgon throughout the fight is inane. Right, like you owned the Ares comic where Ares curbstomped Phobos barehanded and wounded. Oh wait... that's right, you asked for scans. I have both comics. And I didn't enter this thread with a preconception that I was desperate to preserve despite not knowing Ares taking down Phobos in a few panels.

Somehow now, you can take a fight where a wounded Ares takes down Phobos barehanded in a few panels and a fresh Gorgon takes down Phobos with Godkiller in an issue long fight... and somehow... what Ares did is not impressive at all.

Why? Because of his durability, strength and HF? Like Gorgon didn't enjoy enhanced durability, strength and HF? How the hell did you manage to drag out such nonsense for two pages? DO. THE. MATH.

👆

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He kicked Gorgon in the face. You can have your insult back.

That wasn't during the fight you hack...

Wait.. I, Ohhhhhhhh! I get it now. You only read the scans here didn't you?

It's okay you can admit it, its not as if you're about to lose credibility in my eyes, you never had much to begin with.

Well let me inform you of something, those scans posted on the net... they're not just out of order, but doctored to the point that they misrepresent the entire confrontation between the two.

For your information Phobos kicked Gorgon in the face while Gorgon was otherwise preoccupied attacking Nick Fury so why don't you just hold onto that insult for me.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Right... with statements like "Once Gorgon dropped the swordplay, he owned. " who am I to mincewords? Let's cut the bs. You know what you're trying to say, thanks for retreating from it.

I'm not I "trying to say" anything... I said exactly what I meant. When Gorgon dropped the swordplay, he owned, my opinions, reservations, or preferences don't play a factor in making that statement... You're the one running from that fact to pretend that the comic somehow proves that Gorgon's "phucked" without Godslayer in spite of the opposite taking place on panel....

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
couldn't care less if you act like you never said it. We both know that Gorgon without Godkiller is far less dangerous in a fight.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And to ignore the benefit that Godkiller gave Gorgon throughout the fight is inane.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Right, like you owned the Ares comic where Ares curbstomped Phobos barehanded and wounded. Oh wait... that's right, you asked for scans. I have both comics. And I didn't enter this thread with a preconception that I was desperate to preserve despite not knowing Ares taking down Phobos in a few panels.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Somehow now, you can take a fight where a wounded Ares takes down Phobos barehanded in a few panels and a fresh Gorgon takes down Phobos with Godkiller in an issue long fight... and somehow... what Ares did is not impressive at all.

No one's saying Ares isn't skilled, but he's not as skilled as Gorgon, and judging from his fight with Phobos he's not as skilled as Alex either.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Why? Because of his durability, strength and HF? Like Gorgon didn't enjoy enhanced durability, strength and HF? How the hell did you manage to drag out such nonsense for two pages? DO. THE. MATH.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Maybe I should be more clear. "DO. THE. MATH."... without that omnipresent and unquantifiable variable known as, "Wolverine always must win anyway somehow." Because whenever you insert that it's like putting in the exponent "0" into any math problem.

Let me demonstrate:

1+2=3
1+2+3+4=10

Different results each time what's put into it changes, right? But then this is what happens when you rely on the variable known as, "Wolverine always must win anyway somehow."

(1+2)^0=0
(1+2+3+4)^0=0

Y'see, the result always ends up the same. No matter what else you put into it, the conclusion is always the same as the exponent variable: "Wolverine always must win anyway somehow." Wolverithmetic at work. Let's stick with regular math. Regular logic.

This is the first lesson.

The argument has never been "Wolverine wins someway somehow"..

The argument is and always has been that Logan is a more skilled, more agile, faster opponent than Ares and is more likely to tank Ares' blows and/or recover from them than the other way around.

Which is one of the reasons why Alex got brought up in the first place, in spite of being a poor example to be compared to Wolverine.

Originally posted by jinzin
That wasn't during the fight you hack...

Wait.. I, Ohhhhhhhh! I get it now. You only read the scans here didn't you?

It's okay you can admit it, its not as if you're about to lose credibility in my eyes, you never had much to begin with.

Well let me inform you of something, those scans posted on the net... they're not just out of order, but doctored to the point that they misrepresent the entire confrontation between the two.

For your information Phobos kicked Gorgon in the face while Gorgon was otherwise preoccupied attacking Nick Fury so why don't you just hold onto that insult for me.

Gorgon isn't fast enough to see that Phobos blocked his ambush of Fury? Gorgon was preoccupied with Fury when Phobos kicked him? You make it sound like there's no way Gorgon should have been able to defend Phobos' kick. LOL:

Originally posted by jinzin
The math would be inclusive of Alex being much more impressive artistically in his fight with Gorgon than he was against Ares, or inclusive of the fact that I never argued that Gorgon's fight with Alex was entirely skill based (even though the only shot Alex landed was during a pause in the battle).

I LOVE THAT UNDERLINED ARGUMENT!!!!

Originally posted by jinzin
The argument has never been "Wolverine wins someway somehow"..

The argument is and always has been that Logan is a more skilled, more agile, faster opponent than Ares and is more likely to tank Ares' blows and/or recover from them than the other way around.

Which is one of the reasons why Alex got brought up in the first place, in spite of being a poor example to be compared to Wolverine.

Barehanded, wounded Ares took down Phobos in a few panels. Godkiller-wielding, fresh Gorgon took down Phobos after an issue-long fight. Do the math. Not hard.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
facepalm

Gorgon isn't fast enough to see that Phobos blocked his ambush of Fury? Gorgon was preoccupied with Fury when Phobos kicked him? You make it sound like there's no way Gorgon should have been able to defend Phobos' kick. LOL:

laughcry

I LOVE THAT UNDERLINED ARGUMENT!!!!

I'm not acting like anything.

Gorgon was attempting to kill Nick Fury - Fact.
Gorgon was attacking Nick Fury - Fact.
Alex interluded during the midst of the attack on Nick Fury - Fact.

It was representative or indicative of Alex's ability to do the same to Gorgon during a head to head 1 on 1 - fact (as the fight would later cement).

As far as the artistic representation of Alex being far more impressive against Gorgon than Ares... It's true.

Almost every panel of that fight shows multiple slashes whirling around Alex from Grasscutter. What did he do in the Ares fight that was anywhere near as impressive?
A jump here, a lunge there?
What in those scans was remotely comparible to how he was depicted in the Gorgon fight?

The difference between you and I is that I'm not so utterly full of myself that I insist my take of those events as a gospel truth, allowing for the fact that I'm human and prone to error... So are you, but your ego would never let you become aware of that fact apparently.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your conclusion that it is "poor" is because you inserted the zero variable again. Leave it out. Do it again without projecting "Wolverine always must win anyway somehow." onto the problem.

Barehanded, wounded Ares took down Phobos in a few panels. Godkiller-wielding, fresh Gorgon took down Phobos after an issue-long fight. Do the math. Not hard.

Phobos is not = To Logan. So right off the bat your math is as irrational as that of a crack addict.

Gorgon vs Phobos didn't last an issue long so again... wheres your math skillzzzz there?

My conclusion that such a comparison is poor stems from the variables consistent with Wolverine character and powerset. He can't be disarmed, he wouldn't be under threat of death by being driven to the ground, he wouldn't be attacking in predictable patterns.

Somehow your comfortable substituting Phobos for Wolverine in that fight.
But also comfortable ignoring the equivolent of that kind of substitution given Wolverine's fights with Herc or Thor. Pretty lame.

^ Phobos =/= Logan+Elektra+psionic protections, than later his own stone-stare used against him. That's for sure.

Originally posted by jinzin
I'm not acting like anything.

Gorgon was attempting to kill Nick Fury - Fact.
Gorgon was attacking Nick Fury - Fact.
Alex interluded during the midst of the attack on Nick Fury - Fact.

It was representative or indicative of Alex's ability to do the same to Gorgon during a head to head 1 on 1 - fact (as the fight would later cement).

Originally posted by jinzin
As far as the artistic representation of Alex being far more impressive against Gorgon than Ares... It's true.

Almost every panel of that fight shows multiple slashes whirling around Alex from Grasscutter. What did he do in the Ares fight that was anywhere near as impressive?
A jump here, a lunge there?
What in those scans was remotely comparible to how he was depicted in the Gorgon fight?

The fact that the art didn't depict Phobos wielding Grasscutter with dozens of slashes might be because Ares just beat him that utterly quickly, despite being barehanded. Leaving your Wolverithmetics out of this, the simplest answer is probably the answer.

Originally posted by jinzin
The difference between you and I is that I'm not so utterly full of myself that I insist my take of those events as a gospel truth, allowing for the fact that I'm human and prone to error... So are you, but your ego would never let you become aware of that fact apparently.

Barehanded and wounded Ares stomped Phobos in a few panels. Godkiller-wielding and fresh Gorgon took a comic to do that.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Phobos =/= Logan+Elektra+psionic protections, than later his own stone-stare used against him. That's for sure. You mean when Alex slashed Gorgon's torso? Nice. 👆 What a craptastic argument. Phobos was fightin with the complete tutelage that Amatsu-Mikaboshi gave him. Enough that Phobos was able to do this blindfolded and surrounded by demons:

Still failing to see what exactly made him as impressive in his fight with ARES as his fight with Gorgon... Nice red herring though "b-b-but the blindfold!" Yeah so what?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The fact that the art didn't depict Phobos wielding Grasscutter with dozens of slashes might be because Ares just beat him that utterly quickly, despite being barehanded.

Which is why Phobos was jumping around like a grasshopper and kicking him in the face, cutting him in the arm...

No he simply wasn't presented with anywhere near as much speed.
I'm not going to entertain the notion that Ares "beat him superfast" was something that inhibited Alex's speed when his speed is one of the things Ares alluded to being greater than his own.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Leaving your Wolverithmetics out of this, the simplest answer is probably the answer. As opposed to you with you mouth full of Wolverine's wang?

I'd really appreciate it if you left your homo-erotic fantasies out of this discussion.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Whether I disagree with my being full of myself, I'd rather be smug than choke on a comic character's schlong no matter the circumstance. It prevents you from doing simple math:

Barehanded and wounded Ares stomped Phobos in a few panels. Godkiller-wielding and fresh Gorgon took a comic to do that.

Your "math" is innacurate nonsense.

Gorgon took Alex out in 6 fighting panels which is 1 less panel than the last page of the Ares fight. Now we can of course pretend that what Ares did was more impressive.. but that would be ignoring Phobos' more impressive representation in the Gorgon fight, or the fact that Gorgon put Alex away in 2 panels after the swordplay was finished....

And here we are full circle.

Originally posted by jinzin
Still failing to see what exactly made him as impressive in his fight with ARES as his fight with Gorgon... Nice red herring though "b-b-but the blindfold!" Yeah so what?

Great. Anything to avoid the simple truth: Barehanded and wounded Ares stomped Phobos in a few panels. Godkiller-wielding and fresh Gorgon took a comic to do that.

Originally posted by jinzin
Which is why Phobos was jumping around like a grasshopper and kicking him in the face, cutting him in the arm...

No he simply wasn't presented with anywhere near as much speed.
I'm not going to entertain the notion that Ares "beat him superfast" was something that inhibited Alex's speed when his speed is one of the things Ares alluded to being greater than his own.

Originally posted by jinzin
I'd really appreciate it if you left your homo-erotic fantasies out of this discussion.

Originally posted by jinzin
Your "full" of yourself? Again something I don't think you need to share in this thread.

Your "math" is innacurate nonsense.

Gorgon took Alex out in 6 fighting panels which is 1 less panel than the last page of the Ares fight. Now we can of course pretend that what Ares did was more impressive.. but that would be ignoring Phobos' more impressive representation in the Gorgon fight, or the fact that Gorgon put Alex away in 2 panels after the swordplay was finished....

And here we are full circle.

The only circle I see is you spinning yourself back to your non-sensical arguments which you at times, pretend you never assert, then fall back on again. Wovlerithmetic is simply making fun of you. I'd rather just get you to stop belaboring the obvious and trying to equivocate around the clear presentation of the comics. Phobos was a match for Gorgon. Phobos was not a match for Ares.

And running away from your initial laughable argument that Ares' enhanced durability, strength and HF should negate any showing of skill at least when compared to Gorgon... even though he had enhanced durability, strength, HF and speed also? AND a weapon? Thanks. The argument didn't come full circle. It came to a screeching halt, and now you're just meandering around detours. No need.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Nice. You liked the art better in Secret Warriors. And it has nothing to do with the fact that Ares took down Phobos far more easily than Gorgon managed... while wounded... while barehanded. You liking the art somehow makes Phobos' skill (which he clearly demonstrated and possessed for the specific purpose of engaging his father) much less against Ares.

Great. Anything to avoid the simple truth: Barehanded and wounded Ares stomped Phobos in a few panels. Godkiller-wielding and fresh Gorgon took a comic to do that. Haha. Now it's not just the number of sword swings... but the speed too. Even though Ares commented on Phobos' seed. Oh... right... somehow, you are assuming that a bloodlusted Phobos was holding back his speed and his attacks. Yeah... that makes total sense. I love your arguments now. ANYTHING to avoid the simple math, eh?
Stop relentlessly chugging on Wolverine's dong. Chicken-egg argument right here. And again, still tying to insinuate that Gorgon was more dangerous when "doing away" with the swordplay.

Again my preference doesn't matter one damned bit. The fact is that Phobos was artistically rendered to fight MUCH differently against Gorgon, than he was against Ares, and in that, MUCH more impressively too.
There's a massive difference between jumping around with a single attack here and there and having a whirlwind about as a character is swinging away and ignoring that difference is to ignore the difference of black and white... something on paper that you can see right in front of you.

This plea to math again? Maybe you should learn some. Because Gorgon did what ares did in a shorter time frame in less panels against a much more impressive Phobos.

Compare the number of attacks that Alex used and landed on Ares to those he landed on Gorgon... oh wait you can't because Alex was a literal whirlwind of swordsmanship when he fought Gorgon. At least Gorgon didn't have to tank blows to land his own. Even disarmed.

But again we'll pretend Ares is more impressive due to skill. 🙄

Lol again these homo-erotic fantasies of yours.... I guess when I think about it and remember you becoming so embittered with Srank and I and it all starting because of your love for Midnighter.... kinda makes sense now. Don't worry though, I won't hate on your lifestyle choices. 😉

As far as Gorgon performing better without his sword than with it....
He did...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The only circle I see is you spinning yourself back to your non-sensical arguments which you at times, pretend you never assert, then fall back on again. Wovlerithmetic is simply making fun of you. I'd rather just get you to stop belaboring the obvious and trying to equivocate around the clear presentation of the comics. Phobos was a match for Gorgon. Phobos was not a match for Ares.

And running away from your initial laughable argument that Ares' enhanced durability, strength and HF should negate any showing of skill at least when compared to Gorgon... even though he had enhanced durability, strength, HF and speed also? AND a weapon? Thanks. The argument didn't come full circle. It came to a screeching halt, and now you're just meandering around detours. No need.

Phobos was a match for Gorgon... in spite of the fact that Gorgon killed him... ?

Pretty much sums up your ass backwards rhetoric and overall bias right there doesn't it.

Uh, never said it wasn't a display of skill... never said it should negate ANY showing of skill... said it wasn't a feat of uber skill that makes him remotely comparible to Gorgon and it isn't...
I said that Phobos isn't comparible to Logan because their powersets don't translate well to one another when attempting to use ABC logic like you're doing here.
No need to pretend my argument is something else... unless you're being disengenous.
You're constant strawmans are just par for the course for you and I realize that. I get that you have a hard time keeping up with most arguments you involve yourself in, I understand that you have an even harder time keeping your emotions OUT of them, but you're endless strawmen are not only a waste of my time but yours too.

Originally posted by jinzin
God, it's like you can't even grasp the most simpel of concepts.

Again my preference doesn't matter one damned bit. The fact is that Phobos was artistically rendered to fight MUCH differently against Gorgon, than he was against Ares, and in that, MUCH more impressively too.

Originally posted by jinzin
There's a massive difference between jumping around with a single attack here and there and having a whirlwind about as a character is swinging away and ignoring that difference is to ignore the difference of black and white... something on paper that you can see right in front of you.

Originally posted by jinzin
This plea to math again? Maybe you should learn some. Because Gorgon did what ares did in a shorter time frame in less panels against a much more impressive Phobos.

Compare the number of attacks that Alex used and landed on Ares to those he landed on Gorgon... oh wait you can't because Alex was a literal whirlwind of swordsmanship when he fought Gorgon. At least Gorgon didn't have to tank blows to land his own. Even disarmed.

But again we'll pretend Ares is more impressive due to skill.

Originally posted by jinzin
Lol again these homo-erotic fantasies of yours.... I guess when I think about it and remember you becoming so embittered with Srank and I and it all starting because of your love for Midnighter.... kinda makes sense now. Don't worry though, I won't hate on your lifestyle choices.

As far as Gorgon performing better without his sword than with it....
He did...

Or a nice guy that shamelessly rides Wolverine's cock. Tomato, tomatoe.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Because Ares stomped him that quickly. 👆 Which couldn't have anything to do with the fact that Ares just handled him that quickly? 👆 We'll pretend that Ares' performance had to do with skill and not just because he is a tank with a HF. Because that would utterly undermine Gorgon's feat by the same measure, if not more. Good job laying out the hypocrisy irony. Sorry. srankmissingnin had far more class than you. You can stop pretending to be the vanguard of everything pro-Wolverine. Who's being full of themselves now? I don't like sh1t arguments. And this argument that Ares' beatdown of Phobos had little, if anything, to do with skill. And that it isn't impressive at all in the context of this thread is transparent Wolverithmetics.

Or straight up Wolverine cock-riding.

So quickly that it was longer than the Gorgon fight. 😱

Again failing to see the difference in the fight except to push your own perspectives.

Gorgon was only hit once, during a pause in combat, after Alex attempted to use his gaze... But lets ignore that to insist that Ares did better than he did.

Pft.

😂
what part of that post was ANYWHERE NEAR as egocentric as you on a daily basis?

Again beating this dead horse of a strawman. No one said it wasn't a feat inclusive of skill.

Honestly there's website for your kind of fantasism this isn't it.

Originally posted by jinzin
So quickly that it was longer than the Gorgon fight.

Again failing to see the difference in the fight except to push your own perspectives.

Gorgon was only hit once, during a pause in combat, after Alex attempted to use his gaze... But lets ignore that to insist that Ares did better than he did.

Originally posted by jinzin
what part of that post was ANYWHERE NEAR as egocentric as you on a daily basis?

Again beating this dead horse of a strawman. No one said it wasn't a feat inclusive of skill.

Honestly there's website for your kind of fantasism this isn't it.

Back on-topic: Anything that makes Wolverine look bad/vulnerable or anything that makes non-Wolverine-related characters good/better is PIS or never even happened. That's the second lesson. Thanks for turning this website into a sideshow where Wolverine must somehow always wins, even when he doesn't.

Ares 7/10 at least. It should be more.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The Ares/Phobos fight was not longer than the Gorgon/Phobos fight. What... are you just ignoring the entire 75% of the fight that spanned pages before Gorgon hit Phobos? Get a grip on yourself. What part of your entire tirade these past few pages isn't you turning an argument over opinions into something personal? I don't know who you are. I don't care who you are. Your opinions as posited are crap IMO. I aim to show why they are crap. What don't you get that I am allowed to disagree with you and it has nothing to do with being a jerk, an awful person in RL or egocentric? Y'know that quippy saying? "It's been emotional." This ain't it. Get over yourself. Stick with your nonsensical arguments. You getting all b1tchy when I start flinging insults/jokes at your expense in response to your insults/jokes is unnecessary and ironic. Stop pretending that I don't disagree with other posters on this site and I single you out.

Back on-topic: Anything that makes Wolverine look bad/vulnerable or anything that makes non-Wolverine-related characters good/better is PIS or never even happened. That's the second lesson. Thanks for turning this website into a sideshow where Wolverine must somehow always wins, even when he doesn't.

Ares 7/10 at least. It should be more.

It was longer unless you want to include the eye power panels... which would be ridiculous so go ahead it's right up your alley.

😂 You're almost always the first person to throw out insults in a debate between you and I, you hound on a personal level, you go out of your way to be in mine, it's quite obvious your personally invested in me. It's quite obvious your in ego maniac, I don't need you to tell me this, your ridiculous self serving hypocritical arguments and projection based logic is enough to cement those facts.
I'm pretty far from bitchy. I would think my laughing smilies would be some indication of that... but again, you and simple concepts.. shouldn't be mixed together.

Lol yeah Ares should win.... why? Because he's faster? No.
More skilled? No.
Because he's got better damage soak? No
Better healing factor? No.
Because he's more likely to land tide turning blow than the opposite? No.
Because he can tank Wolverine's claws without issue? No.

Because he's really strong? Apparently.. because it's really the only advantage he brings to the fight.. yet again I'M the one with the "someway somehow" argument huh? lol good one.

In spite of what you may believe, I don't think Wolverine wins every fight, I don't think every feat of things not going his way is PIS, but I DO believe that given his character and powerset he is hell in almost any melee based matchup and if you don't have considerable battlefield regen, indestructible skin, or a broken ability, taking him on is most likely suicide for a TON of characters.

Ares being a hype machine doesn't change that opinion.
Ares being a God doesn't change that opinion.
Ares being superstrong doesn't change that opinion.

Ares doesn't bring anything into this fight that's out of Wolverine's league and yet you think someone who is supporting Wolverine in this thread is a nut hugging, cock guzzling, sideshow talent?

That's pretty interesting given that one of the only credible reasons anyone has for giving him the nod in this fight stems from this Phobos related ABC bullshit.

As if I couldn't turn that around in 8 seconds.

Wolverine doesn't win every fight by any means, but he certainly doesn't assuredly lose this one.

Originally posted by jinzin
7 panels of fighting> 6 panels of fighting...

It was longer unless you want to include the eye power panels... which would be ridiculous so go ahead it's right up your alley.

Originally posted by jinzin
You're almost always the first person to throw out insults in a debate between you and I, you hound on a personal level, you go out of your way to be in mine, it's quite obvious your personally invested in me. It's quite obvious your in ego maniac, I don't need you to tell me this, your ridiculous self serving hypocritical arguments and projection based logic is enough to cement those facts.

Originally posted by jinzin
I'm pretty far from bitchy. I would think my laughing smilies would be some indication of that... but again, you and simple concepts.. shouldn't be mixed together.

Originally posted by jinzin
Lol yeah Ares should win.... why? Because he's faster? No.
More skilled? No.
Because he's got better damage soak? No
Better healing factor? No.
Because he's more likely to land tide turning blow than the opposite? No.
Because he can tank Wolverine's claws without issue? No.

Because he's really strong? Apparently.. because it's really the only advantage he brings to the fight.. yet again I'M the one with the "someway somehow" argument huh? lol good one.

In spite of what you may believe, I don't think Wolverine wins every fight, I don't think every feat of things not going his way is PIS, but I DO believe that given his character and powerset he is hell in almost any melee based matchup and if you don't have considerable battlefield regen, indestructible skin, or a broken ability, taking him on is most likely suicide for a TON of characters.

Ares being a hype machine doesn't change that opinion.
Ares being a God doesn't change that opinion.
Ares being superstrong doesn't change that opinion.

Ares doesn't bring anything into this fight that's out of Wolverine's league and yet you think someone who is supporting Wolverine in this thread is a nut hugging, cock guzzling, sideshow talent?

That's pretty interesting given that one of the only credible reasons anyone has for giving him the nod in this fight stems from this Phobos related ABC bullshit.

As if I couldn't turn that around in 8 seconds.

Wolverine doesn't win every fight by any means, but he certainly doesn't assuredly lose this one.

That's the first problem. Made paramount by your ready dismissal when people already showed you side-by-side comparisons. Your meandering around how the art is different, somehow Gorgon's fight was shorter???, whilst ignoring Ares' being wounded/barehanded, is idiocy. Stop making such an idiotic, easily deridable argument like this. You're assaulting all common sense on this.

As for your Wolverithmetics, you've summed it up perfectly:

"if you don't have considerable battlefield regen, indestructible skin, or a broken ability, taking him on is most likely suicide for a TON of characters."

No. It's not.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Christ. Reread the comics. No. Really. I insult your arguments and your logic. You insult me. You continue to b1tch in a personal manner. And it's tired. So stop it. Again. So tired. What is this supposed to be? A discussion of you and me? Or a discussion of Ares and Wolverine and why one should topple the other? Stop veering it to the former because nobody gives two sh1ts about you personally or me personally. How can you even bring in Phobos ABC logic into this when you refuse to see any notion of skill being demonstrated in Ares' fight with Phobos?

That's the first problem. Made paramount by your ready dismissal when people already showed you side-by-side comparisons. Your meandering around how the art is different, somehow Gorgon's fight was shorter???, whilst ignoring Ares' being wounded/barehanded, is idiocy. Stop making such an idiotic, easily deridable argument like this. You're assaulting all common sense on this.

As for your Wolverithmetics, you've summed it up perfectly:

"if you don't have considerable battlefield regen, indestructible skin, or a broken ability, taking him on is most likely suicide for a TON of characters."

No. It's not.

I don't need to reread two fights I've read over and over for about 3 weeks now.

No need to beat a dead horse. Panel for panel the actual fight between Gorgon and Phobos is shorter than the one between Ares and Phobos. Of course unless you want to count the break in the fight which Phobos used to his advantage.... which would still be an equal number of panels...
You can pretend that isn't true I guess, but doing so makes you look rather foolish when you're talking about math.

😂

Yes I'm sure insisting that I'm gettin down and dirty on Logan's dick is an insult to my logic. 🙄

Whatever... look I DIDN'T say Ares wasn't using SOME degree of skill in his fight with Phobos... infact I said the exact opposite...

But.... is Ares' fight with Phobos a clear demonstration of skill alone? Nah.

What part of Phobos being surrounded by the afterimages of his sword work is even remotely comparible to him jumping around with single strikes? How is Ares sidestepping one sword swing to land a strike somehow more impressive than Gorgon able to land a straight shot through an array of swordwork?
It isn't.
The fact of the matter is that once Gorgon was put under the same conditions as Ares he made shorter work of Phobos in more impressive fashion.

Ares only managed to briefly knock Phobos down who sprang right back up, Gorgon one shot his ass.

What's truly idiotic here is your inability to see that Ares's fight wasn't dictated by skill alone, but anything to lowball Wolverine I guess.

As for the whole suicide notion... yeah it is... But then again you think Midnighter can take Wolverine with a tooth to eye.... Like I said, whatever.