Capital Wasteland Brotherhood of Steel vs NCR

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
And you think they will recover from that in 2 years, when they couldn't do it in 4 years post the 1st battle of Hoover?

No, it was disabled, as in mission killed, not destroyed...

Yeah, ok.... Nuclear warheads with no triggers are as useful as huge paperweights. The same warheads the Courier either already used, or sabotaged is not an advantage except for nuclear fuel.

And your "certainty" about matter manipulation is suspicion... Considering what was thrown at prime, and what it eventually took to down it, I doubt anything short of Archimedes II would even work.

But the OP (which I wrote) says otherwise.

Now that they've sent the Legion running and have complete control over the Mojave, yeah sure, why not?

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Is kaput broski. The best they can hope for is to scavenge some tech from it, that's it.

The entire Great Divide is sitting on stockpiles of nukes, considering it was a complex of military bases.

Look at the size of the explosion I just posted. The NCR could honestly probably come up with enough ordnance to disable Prime on their own, let alone resorting to nukes or Archimedes.

I know lol, just pointing out that without the player characters, the fight wouldn't really be as arguable.

Or as fun. biscuits

Boone solos.

^ This guy girl knows what's up.

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Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Now that they've sent the Legion running and have complete control over the Mojave, yeah sure, why not?

Because they had control over the vast majority of the mojave for 5 years and yet it was still pretty much logistically retarded because of their own politics and beurocratic red tape.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
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Is kaput broski. The best they can hope for is to scavenge some tech from it, that's it.

The entire Great Divide is sitting on stockpiles of nukes, considering it was a complex of military bases.

Look at the size of the explosion I just posted. The NCR could honestly probably come up with enough ordnance to disable Prime on their own, let alone resorting to nukes or Archimedes.

*Ahem* No. Have you actually returned to the base crawler after that mission? I have. The Crawler's still intact, minus the sat dish on top.

Like I said, scavving it is one option, or a shitload of Epoxy and some elbow grease... Epoxy is hax...

And no, ecause the biggest feat of NCR demolition work is Boulder City, and that could never amount to what downed Prime Now, let me be clear here, the bradley Hercules Sat missiles are around the same effectiveness as the megaton bomb, because it has the same effect on egaton as that bomb does, and it also levels the Citadel in a single strike.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
I know lol, just pointing out that without the player characters, the fight wouldn't really be as arguable.

Or as fun. biscuits

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Because they had control over the vast majority of the mojave for 5 years and yet it was still pretty much logistically retarded because of their own politics and beurocratic red tape.

*Ahem* No. Have you actually returned to the base crawler after that mission? I have. The Crawler's still intact, minus the sat dish on top.

Like I said, scavving it is one option, or a shitload of Epoxy and some elbow grease... Epoxy is hax...

And no, ecause the biggest feat of NCR demolition work is Boulder City, and that could never amount to what downed Prime Now, let me be clear here, the bradley Hercules Sat missiles are around the same effectiveness as the megaton bomb, because it has the same effect on egaton as that bomb does, and it also levels the Citadel in a single strike.

Hey, without the player characters actions, both factions would be f**ked. 😆

They have an entire nation to run outside of the Mojave you know, not to mention things are bogged down due to raiders, Mr. House, the Legion. That's all pretty much gone by now. Plus, with Big MT tech, the NCR no longer needs to worry about a lack of supplies, since they can produce virtually anything they need except for maybe raw food supplies, so they only really need soldiers.

I don't remember, I still haven't played Fallout 3 again yet. haermm
Scavving is a definite possibility though, didn't deny that. I doubt though that they could ever restore the Crawler to complete functionality again.

The NCR could probably supply more explosives then what was used to blow up Boulder City. Even then, the NCR now has the support of the Boomers and their Flying Fortress, as well as Big MT.

Lol, there is no proof that I've ever seen that it would have replicated the megaton bomb, all it had was Megaton as a target, and it can't even be launched against it. It might have leveled the town if it had been targeted, but even then, that does it mean it has the force of a nuke. Nor did Prime withstand as large or prolonged a bombardment as what was done to the Base Crawler or the Citadel.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
They have an entire nation to run outside of the Mojave you know, not to mention things are bogged down due to raiders, Mr. House, the Legion. That's all pretty much gone by now. Plus, with Big MT tech, the NCR no longer needs to worry about a lack of supplies, since they can produce virtually anything they need except for maybe raw food supplies, so they only really need soldiers.

Actually, we don't know the status of raiders and bandits back west. We know they get mostly eradicated post ending if the Fiends are wiped out.

With the exception of actual logistics beyond pure production... Like I said earlier, it takes long assed amounts of time and co-ordination to outfit an entire frontline of NCR, nevermind the entire military.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
I don't remember, I still haven't played Fallout 3 again yet. haermm
Scavving is a definite possibility though, didn't deny that. I doubt though that they could ever restore the Crawler to complete functionality again.

Hell, having the thing mobile and armed again is more than enough. One doesn't need the Sat uplink for the Bradley Hercules satelite when you already have friggin Zeta and the SATCOM Array operational...

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
The NCR could probably supply more explosives then what was used to blow up Boulder City. Even then, the NCR now has the support of the Boomers and their Flying Fortress, as well as Big MT.

The Boomers Lfying fortress basically drops Napalm bombs going by the 2nd battle for Hoover. Immolation weapons have already proven ineffective against Prime. And it's not like Prime doesn't ave threat detection capability anyways, he isn't a Protectron.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Lol, there is no proof that I've ever seen that it would have replicated the megaton bomb, all it had was Megaton as a target, and it can't even be launched against it. It might have leveled the town if it had been targeted, but even then, that does it mean it has the force of a nuke. Nor did Prime withstand as large or prolonged a bombardment as what was done to the Base Crawler or the Citadel.

Thats because Prime is a smaller target. However the cross-concussion waves pretty much ****ed him up.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Actually, we don't know the status of raiders and bandits back west. We know they get mostly eradicated post ending if the Fiends are wiped out.

With the exception of actual logistics beyond pure production... Like I said earlier, it takes long assed amounts of time and co-ordination to outfit an entire frontline of NCR, nevermind the entire military.

Hell, having the thing mobile and armed again is more than enough. One doesn't need the Sat uplink for the Bradley Hercules satelite when you already have friggin Zeta and the SATCOM Array operational...

The Boomers Lfying fortress basically drops Napalm bombs going by the 2nd battle for Hoover. Immolation weapons have already proven ineffective against Prime. And it's not like Prime doesn't ave threat detection capability anyways, he isn't a Protectron.

Thats because Prime is a smaller target. However the cross-concussion waves pretty much ****ed him up.

Well back west in the NCR homeland, I would assume all raider groups of any kind have been destroyed, that's why the Great Khans fled into the Mojave. It's mainly up north and east where the Rangers don't have as big a presence where raiders and guys are still around.

Well it would be Rangers, Officers, and cool guize like 1st Recon that would be getting all the best stuff, with the rest trickling down to the troopers. The amount of time given would probably see most of the best of the best outfitted, with the frontline troopers more or less being relatively the same. Mojave would probably actually see some of the best incoming equipment though, being that it's still newly annexed and is also pretty much the NCR's garrison against any further threats from the Legion, or anything else out east.

I dunno, I haven't played Fallout 3 in like two-three years, so I forget a lot of things. Pretty sure the Wanderer already launched SATCOM's missile though. And Zeta's deathray isn't an option really. The Eastern Brotherhood are basically a bunch of bright-eyed idealists, far and away the most morally good faction in the setting. The use of Zeta's deathray would completely destroy the NCR as a nation, killing hundreds of thousands, if not possibly millions of innocent lives. The Brotherhood would never resort to such a thing. Even besides the lives, it would completely destroy any possible tech they could claim, along with all the territory.

They could just load it with something else, but one of the main points of the Boomers is they have an arsenal that rivals that of the Gun Runners, if not surpassing it. That's a lot of dakka.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Well back west in the NCR homeland, I would assume all raider groups of any kind have been destroyed, that's why the Great Khans fled into the Mojave. It's mainly up north and east where the Rangers don't have as big a presence where raiders and guys are still around.

Giving what Hanlon confirms for us, the raider problem around NCR Homelands is not as secure as you would think. They are the main reason why the Ranger Vets and heavy troopers are no-where to be found in the Mojave area until post Kimbal Assasination attempt. Basically Hanlon's complaint is that the NCR with-holds their best stuff because the brahmin barons are monopolising the troop deployments. That and the Boneyard still has some very serious issues. The Khans are only but one tribe of raiders whose presence is very fluid all the time.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Well it would be Rangers, Officers, and cool guize like 1st Recon that would be getting all the best stuff, with the rest trickling down to the troopers. The amount of time given would probably see most of the best of the best outfitted, with the frontline troopers more or less being relatively the same. Mojave would probably actually see some of the best incoming equipment though, being that it's still newly annexed and is also pretty much the NCR's garrison against any further threats from the Legion, or anything else out east.

Hmm, Given the sheer size of NCR frontier territories, and given that there are other opponents of the size of the Legion may still be out there, I doubt a nation as big as NCR would focus all of their upgraded firepower and logistics squarely in the Mojave. In fact, I beleive that Homeland Defence would again monopolise the modernisation of the NCR squarely withn the capital territories and spread it out from there - starting with their elite units of course...

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
I dunno, I haven't played Fallout 3 in like two-three years, so I forget a lot of things. Pretty sure the Wanderer already launched SATCOM's missile though. And Zeta's deathray isn't an option really. The Eastern Brotherhood are basically a bunch of bright-eyed idealists, far and away the most morally good faction in the setting. The use of Zeta's deathray would completely destroy the NCR as a nation, killing hundreds of thousands, if not possibly millions of innocent lives. The Brotherhood would never resort to such a thing. Even besides the lives, it would completely destroy any possible tech they could claim, along with all the territory.

No, the Bradley Hercules that he used to down the crawler was out of ammo, but the SATCOM array is fully operational and loaded. There is no mission which requires it's depletion at all.

the Zeta Ray = It's basically an ace in the hole really. If all else fails... this will be especially true when Lyons discovers the fate of Lost Hills.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
They could just load it with something else, but one of the main points of the Boomers is they have an arsenal that rivals that of the Gun Runners, if not surpassing it. That's a lot of dakka.

The thing with the Boomers is that they have a shitload of Artillery Howitzers, and their flying fortress which is absolutely useless against vertibirds, nevermind Prime being more than accurate and fast enough to down the Latter should have no trouble lasering holes in the former.

Outside of their artillery and bombing runs, we know they have a load of small arms ballistics and missile launchers, and thats about it.

I my self as one of the big fans of the brotherhood of steel think that the CWBOS Would win in the supossed battle/war. More tech on there side, amazing leadership, courage, and the will to fight for the people and assure victory. And if anything goes wrong, they would never give up. No matter the difficulty or problem, they will never give up until there last breath. Yes the Ncr have manny units. Manny. And cappable fighters. But the CWBOS are all but more better than the Ncr by lots. Yes they defeated the enclave. Thats because the enclave lived in a period of madness. And they also defeated the MBOS. And thats only because they were out numbered and had lack of leadership and lack of denfeces and defendable areas. Also the fact that the elder that time Elija was crazy mad. And if the CWBOS fought the Ncr, wouldnt the MBOS here of this? And would they not help there fellow brothers. Including the enclave survivors, who were probably mad about defeat of ncr. Would they not want to help in and fight a commom enemy? Plus the outcast who want tech. They would probably join in the fight considering that if the BOS were to lose they go down with them anyway and the fact the CWBOS reached there goals of tech. Combined with liberty prime and other recruits from the CW And DLC worlds. Add all of that up and the BOS would practically be a huge strong and willing army.

The BoS will win here's why

They have access to zeta tech through wanderer.
This includes deathray which would reduce big mt to bigger crater, and before the NCR starts thinking about sending a nuke to the spaceship through the divides nukes the zeta would tank it, why? Because it's also tanked a deathray from another ship using it's shields.

They also have they're own personal shields from the ship have you ever seen the aliens using the shields witch literally makes all you weapons feel like your using a BB gun, they access to that too.

Superior training
With the anchorage training sim all BoS will have pre war spec ops training, all they have to find out is how to engage safety protocol which shouldn't take them too long.

The Pitt steel mill
They will be able to create a assortment of things using the mill wether it be ammo, guns and armour. Guns and armour because they could simply learn how to make them by reverse engineering them so they could mass produce tb51 and enclave armour, and if the raiders/slaves do not accept the BoS could simply run them down and take the mill for themselves if they were desperate enough.

They'd get all of the of the tech from enclave on broken steel.
They could use the orbital strike if they rebuild the adams airfield base using the Pitt steel mill.

They could salvage the jet and submarine from point lookout and rebuild it using the Pitt mill.

The pure water pumping into the wasteland would bring in more people which would be potential recruits. Not only that but you can choose to have Harold's oasis spread across the wasteland the most defiantly will attract many people from the west to the east.

They also have liberty prime and if they can rebuild him using cameras and sensors your damn right they can make more than one of them.

Wow, 2 year old hell too!

Well, at least they agree with me... 😛

BOS win

No

Yes

Nope

If the Brohood gets DLC shit then so does the NCR.

So I guess they take the nuclear arsenal in the Divide and wipe the Capital Wasteland off the map.

I'll wipe your face off this dick.