Originally posted by jinzinShow me that it's because some bone plate stopped the bullet from entering his eye and not because of some other equally valid explanation or circumstance that makes this instance circumstantial.
There's evidence of Wolverine being shot through the eye to no effect.
Originally posted by jinzinShow it. What's so hard about showing these scans unles they're completely unclear and/or circumstantial. A quality not shared when Scalphunter shoots his brain through his eye or Wolverine stabs his own brain through his eyes. That's about as clear and uncircumstantial as you can get.
There's scans of the bone behind his eye being there.
Originally posted by jinzinNever mentioned once? Now you're just either lying or completely ignoring how it's not only mentioned, but it's been depicted outright a dozen times already. Are you inviting me to post all those scans again? Or am I being too douchey in scan-blitzing this topic one more time?
There's the logic behind the fact that this is a weakness/variable in Wolverine's skeleton that's never been mentioned once on panel or explained.
Originally posted by jinzinPoor strawman. Might as well counter with the equally sh1tty strawman that true human anatomy makes Wolverine's claws a case of PIS.
Again, you're argument at base value (it's happened) dictates that Wolverine's ALSO missing a spine, ribcage, and a sternum, I don't think anyone's prepared to try and make that a legitimate position in the forums.
This isn't a case of two equally supportable positions. It's about evidence outweighing a clear lack of evidence.
Originally posted by Deadlinemaybe his optic nerves are larger in circumference and the orbital bones in his eyesockets have a bigger gap to accomidate them. wolverine's mutation is almost entirely physical.
Yes but there is no reason to think that Wolverines skull is any different from a human skill, the only difference is that it's adamantuim and it has claws. Apart from him getting shot I don't think you've actually proven he has holes big enough to let a bullet through.The reason why I think its PIS is because the writers allow that to happen because they don't know human anatomy well enough not because he's a mutant with a different skull structure. If they knew that eye sockets only have tiny holes they wouldn't allow it to happen, thats obvoulsy why bullets bounce off his forhead there is adamantuim in the way.
People could argue that Wolverine should be sent into orbit when he gets hit by a class 100 punches that doesn't happen because the writers don't give a shit about physics, the reason why bullets go into his brain is due to lack of knowledge of the human skeleton.
*shrug*
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Show me that it's because some bone plate stopped the bullet from entering his eye and not because of some other equally valid explanation or circumstance that makes this instance circumstantial. Show it. What's so hard about showing these scans unles they're completely unclear and/or circumstantial. A quality not shared when Scalphunter shoots his brain through his eye or Wolverine stabs his own brain through his eyes. That's about as clear and uncircumstantial as you can get. Never mentioned once? Now you're just either lying or completely ignoring how it's not only mentioned, but it's been depicted outright a dozen times already. Are you inviting me to post all those scans again? Or am I being too douchey in scan-blitzing this topic one more time? Poor strawman. Might as well counter with the equally sh1tty strawman that true human anatomy makes Wolverine's claws a case of PIS.This isn't a case of two equally supportable positions. It's about evidence outweighing a clear lack of evidence.
Scans of Wolverine no selling damage through his eye have been posted. Scans of bone behind his eye has been posted. I don't need to repost something that's already been posted about a dozen times just to watch you completely ignore it all over again.
There's a MASS difference between people making an ignorant anatomical mistake and actually providing mention/explanation of that mistake to make it NOT A MISTAKE... what is so hard for you to grasp about that concept?
Again, the sheer fact that it's been depicted like that it enough of a reason for you to think that the depiction's valid.
It's not a strawman pointing out that the same rhetoric could be used to support nonsense arguments because that point brings into question the notion that a depiction alone is going to be enough to make a solid argument for something that doesn't make sense within a context.
Wolverine's also been depicted as having metal muscles under his skin... I guess that's how he is. 😕
Uh yeah it IS a case of two equally supportable positions.
You're inability to not only NOT recognize that you might be wrong, but ALSO engage in this absolutism just makes me roll my eyes at your arrogance all over again. I guess some things never change though.
Originally posted by jinzinNo, apparently, you just can't post them when I ask.
Scans of Wolverine no selling damage through his eye have been posted. Scans of bone behind his eye has been posted. I don't need to repost something that's already been posted about a dozen times just to watch you completely ignore it all over again.
Originally posted by jinzinWho the hell knew before you Wolverine apologists started grabbing onto anatomical charts that there was a full plate of bone behind the eye?
There's a MASS difference between people making an ignorant anatomical mistake and actually providing mention/explanation of that mistake to make it NOT A MISTAKE... what is so hard for you to grasp about that concept?
Again, the sheer fact that it's been depicted like that it enough of a reason for you to think that the depiction's valid.
It is a mistake, but it isn't a mistake whereby the entire comic, plot or character is drastically undercut by that mistake. Do you know why? Because it is the comic, it is the plot and it is the character now. And frankly, it would be for pretty much anybody else who have thir bones laced too. It's comic book fact.
Originally posted by jinzinNo. It's a poor strawman because w already give Wolverine the benefit of the doubt for healing from bone marrow, healing his charred brains with memory intact, not getting his organs pulverized by class 100 shots.
It's not a strawman pointing out that the same rhetoric could be used to support nonsense arguments because that point brings into question the notion that a depiction alone is going to be enough to make a solid argument for something that doesn't make sense within a context.
This isn't a nonsense argument. It's a comic book fact. Sometimes comics are nonsense. It doesn't just apply one way, for the improvement of Wolverine and never against.
Originally posted by jinzinPlease don't resurrect that idiotic argument that has been laughed off these forums. Again, poor strawman.
Wolverine's also been depicted as having metal muscles under his skin... I guess that's how he is.Uh yeah it IS a case of two equally supportable positions.
You're inability to not only NOT recognize that you might be wrong, but ALSO engage in this absolutism just makes me roll my eyes at your arrogance all over again. I guess some things never change though.
No arrogance in asking for your non-proof whichis not circumstantial and/or utterly reliant on projecting what you want onto it. It's called sincerity.
Proof that bullets penetrating through to the brain is actually because there is simply no bone back there in comics:
Hell, that may have been adamantium Sabretooth, but Wolverine basically theorizes the same exact thing:
Again, the writers even pander this "vulnerability" to us by conceitingly giving us an anatomy lesson. This is in contrast to your allegation that the comics never once talk about this so-called vulnerability:
What else did you need to support the above past examples where it's pretty much theorized that Wolverine's skull has penetrable points when his enemies actually take advantage of them? All on-panel:
What was it you said again?
Originally posted by jinzinYeah. Sure you are. You're simply waiting for some proof Wolverine can or have his brain penetrated. Right.
To be honest I'm not picking a side on that issue until it's something that's confirmed either way as a legit plot point.
*looks above*
*shakes head*
😂
Cause some random dude thinks there isn't bone behind sabretooth's eye it's proof Wolverine doesn't have bone there?
Wait no! It's proven by Wolverine theorizing that an explosive round through the eye might do the trick in taking him out.... Lets forget about what an explosive round does or jet effect for that matter... lets forget that there's no mention of no bone there.. Why not?! 😱
So again, your arguments boils down to: "it happened so there!"
Which, following that same rhetoric we can make arguments about Wolverine missing a sternum, spine, ripcage, and apparently now the back of his skull too.
Sweet. 🙄
The saddest part of this whole thing is that I've already even given you some amount of credit, or benefit to even lend credence to your argument in the first place, and still you want to beat a dead horse to feed your ego... Don't know what your trying to compensate for but it looks rather pathetic from here.
Originally posted by jinzinYeah. Basically.
So again, your arguments boils down to: "it happened so there!"
Something actually happening several times is indeed several facts that tend towards a conclusion. This is called evidence.
Something being described/theorized on-panel also tends towards it. But for whatever reason, you still don't get the concept of evidence, much less repeated and supported evidence.
When you can honestly sit there and deride me for relying on evidence as if I'm the one arguing for the weaker position, well... let's just say mission accomplished.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah. Basically.Something actually happening several times is indeed several facts that tend towards a conclusion. This is called evidence.
Something being described/theorized on-panel also tends towards it. But for whatever reason, you still don't get the concept of evidence, much less repeated and supported evidence.
When you can honestly sit there and deride me for relying on evidence as if I'm the one arguing for the weaker position, well... let's just say mission accomplished.
Evidence counter measured by evidence...
Again, just because you're willing to ignore said evidence doesn't mean that counter evidence doesn't exist.
Character's theorizing something doesn't make a solid argument when there's direct counter evidence to measure against it.
I honestly don't know what you want me to say. There's evidence on both sides of the fence; you want me to uphold your evidence while ignoring the other. If your argument is built on neglect and double standards then it indeed does look like a weaker position.
It doesn't help that you're really the only person who ever consistently argues this case.
^ What counter evidence do you have that is not utterly circumstantial, indirect, or non-tangential?
We've got several examples where Wolverine's brain is actually penetrated. We've got several examples where characters, including Wolverine himself, comment and affirm that vulnerability.
Where are the examples where a bullet, sword, claw is intended to go through to the brain, and is stopped or theorized to be stopped? Where?
This isn't an argument. It's an exercise in futility. Trying to characterize it as an open issue is disingenuous and you know it. Asking for evidence that confirms it? Disingenuous. Relying on human anatomy (which is clearly being ignored if you haven't noiced) to trump comic books? Disingenuous. Acting like we ought to both be respecting opinions? Disingenuous.
I'm not saying you can't have your own opinion. But this has always been about which is the more supportable view. The more reliable view. Looking above? There's no question.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ What counter evidence do you have that is not utterly circumstantial, indirect, or non-tangential?We've got several examples where Wolverine's brain is actually penetrated. We've got several examples where characters, including Wolverine himself, comment and affirm that vulnerability.
Where are the examples where a bullet, sword, claw is intended to go through to the brain, and is stopped or theorized to be stopped? Where?
This isn't an argument. It's an exercise in futility. Trying to characterize it as an open issue is disingenuous and you know it. Asking for evidence that confirms it? Disingenuous. Relying on human anatomy (which is clearly being ignored if you haven't noiced) to trump comic books? Disingenuous. Acting like we ought to both be respecting opinions? Disingenuous.
I'm not saying you can't have your own opinion. But this has always been about which is the more supportable view. The more reliable view. Looking above? There's no question.
There's what... three, four, maybe five examples of Wolverine being shot through the eye to no effect.
There's multiple examples of his skeleton being rendered WITH the bones you think he doesn't have.
There's a few characters supposing that Wolverine may go down to an eye shot, there's hardly affirmation from Wolverine about it against anything other than an explosive round.... so ..... context ftw.
Manifest destiny ends with a woman trying to stab Logan through the eye only for it to be stopped with a clunking noise.
It's disengenous to act like counter evidence doesn't exist.
It's disengenous to act like a simple mistake on anatomy necissarily CAN'T be an explanation.
It's disengenous to pretend that my argument relies on human anatomy when I haven't brought up human anatomy here.
It's disengenous to present non sequitar evidence and proposing that it's proof of THIS argument.
Stop being a damned hypocrite and let go the ego, it's making you look silly.
Originally posted by jinzinPost em. Because I'd love to see how these scans are utterly free of circumstance. Because the fact that you can't post them leads me to question that. Which is exactly one point I've been driving into the ground from the beginning.
There's what... three, four, maybe five examples of Wolverine being shot through the eye to no effect.
Originally posted by jinzinYes, I'd like to see a comic page where there isn't a 1x1 inch panel that doesn't even clearly show anything to that effect. That's the only one can recall. Thanks for arguing with non-evidence. Thanks for reducing the conversation to me having to argue with non-evidence.
There's multiple examples of his skeleton being rendered WITH the bones you think he doesn't have.
Originally posted by jinzinDo the words "straight through to the brain" mean absolutely nothing to you? Craptastic phail.
There's a few characters supposing that Wolverine may go down to an eye shot, there's hardly affirmation from Wolverine about it against anything other than an explosive round.... so ..... context ftw.
Originally posted by jinzinWELL THEN POST IT. Might be the first piece of evidence we see for your side! Someone ready the parade! You can totally feel a sense of accomplishment for showing one scan against the ones I've shown.
Manifest destiny ends with a woman trying to stab Logan through the eye only for it to be stopped with a clunking noise.
Originally posted by jinzinIt's not disingenuous to ask that you post it.
It's disengenous to act like counter evidence doesn't exist.
It's disengenous to act like a simple mistake on anatomy necissarily CAN'T be an explanation.
It's disengenous to pretend that my argument relies on human anatomy when I haven't brought up human anatomy here.
It's disengenous to present non sequitar evidence and proposing that it's proof of THIS argument.Stop being a damned hypocrite and let go the ego, it's making you look silly.
We both know why you won't. Because it is utterly circumstantial and will look utterly silly when lined up side-by-side with the evidence I've posted.
I'm sorry I've wasted two pages belaboring the obvious. Again, acting like there is a counter-argument is fine. Acting like it's an equally supported one is the steaming pile of poo that I've been deriding the entire time. It'd me much easier for me to accomplish that if you just posted this non-evidence you've been riding like a two-dollar whore. But I understand that refusing to post it is the only way to make this argument harder for me to bring to full-circle. Bravo.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Post em. Because I'd love to see how these scans are utterly free of circumstance. Because the fact that you can't post them leads me to question that. Which is exactly one point I've been driving into the ground from the beginning. Yes, I'd like to see a comic page where there isn't a 1x1 inch panel that doesn't even clearly show anything to that effect. That's the only one can recall. Thanks for arguing with non-evidence. Thanks for reducing the conversation to me having to argue with non-evidence. Do the words "straight through to the brain" mean absolutely nothing to you? Craptastic phail. WELL THEN POST IT. Might be the first piece of evidence we see for your side! Someone ready the parade! You can totally feel a sense of accomplishment for showing one scan against the ones I've shown. It's not disingenuous to ask that you post it.We both know why you won't. Because it is utterly circumstantial and will look utterly silly when lined up side-by-side with the evidence I've posted.
I'm sorry I've wasted two pages belaboring the obvious. Again, acting like there is a counter-argument is fine. Acting like it's an equally supported one is the steaming pile of poo that I've been deriding the entire time. It'd me much easier for me to accomplish that if you just posted this non-evidence you've been riding like a two-dollar whore. But I understand that refusing to post it is the only way to make this argument harder for me to bring to full-circle. Bravo.
Half of them are posted in the thread I made specifically for this subject in my futile attempt to get you to stop derailing threads on your theory crafting, fact ignoring, self serving bullshit.
But as this post proves, you're comfortable ignoring ANY evidence that doesn't meet your self serving standards.
The words straight through the brain do mean nothing to me when the statement's made on speculation.
Again I'm not going to go out of my way to post something that's already been posted, that you already ignored.
Maybe I'll post them after I'm done recollecting scans for Wolverine again, right now, I'm not going to bother myself with a futile effort, it won't change your mind anways.
There's nothing circumstantial about Wolverine being shot in the eye to no effect. The fact that you know that this evidence exists, and are already set to argue that it's circumstantial evidence only proves exactly why such an endeavor is a waste of my time.
If you're so hard up for seeing some of this evidence direct yourself to the phantom bone thread, some of it's in there. Of course we can pretend for your ego that it's not.
Originally posted by jinzinAgain. Falling back on the good ole, "Trust me. The scans are there. I'm totally not trying to avoid a side-by-side comparison of the evidence for fear of revealing how utterly vulnerable my position is."
Half of them are posted in the thread I made specifically for this subject in my futile attempt to get you to stop derailing threads on your theory crafting, fact ignoring, self serving bullshit.But as this post proves, you're comfortable ignoring ANY evidence that doesn't meet your self serving standards.
The words straight through the brain do mean nothing to me when the statement's made on speculation.Again I'm not going to go out of my way to post something that's already been posted, that you already ignored.
Maybe I'll post them after I'm done recollecting scans for Wolverine again, right now, I'm not going to bother myself with a futile effort, it won't change your mind anways.There's nothing circumstantial about Wolverine being shot in the eye to no effect. The fact that you know that this evidence exists, and are already set to argue that it's circumstantial evidence only proves exactly why such an endeavor is a waste of my time.
If you're so hard up for seeing some of this evidence direct yourself to the phantom bone thread, some of it's in there. Of course we can pretend for your ego that it's not.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0C'est la vie. You've achieved your goal. Turning an argument about evidence into an argument about non-evidence. Bravo x2.
I'm sorry I've wasted two pages belaboring the obvious. Again, acting like there is a counter-argument is fine. Acting like it's an equally supported one is the steaming pile of poo that I've been deriding the entire time. It'd me much easier for me to accomplish that if you just posted this non-evidence you've been riding like a two-dollar whore. But I understand that refusing to post it is the only way to make this argument harder for me to bring to full-circle. Bravo.
How predictable droll.
^ Thanks for arguing the entire time with your compelling non-evidence. When I imagine how awesome and intimidating it could be... well... I be shivering me timbres.
You've a gift for making an argument into a non-argument. Best compliment I have for you. Also, if you keep posting allusions to evidence, eventually the evidence that supports my position and buries your's eventually gets pushed when new pages to this thread are created.
... no, wait. You probably already are relying knew that. 👆
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Thanks for arguing the entire time with your compelling non-evidence. When I imagine how awesome and intimidating it could be... well... I be shivering me timbres.You've a gift for making an argument into a non-argument. Best compliment I have for you. Also, if you keep posting allusions to evidence, eventually the evidence that supports my position and buries your's eventually gets pushed when new pages to this thread are created.
... no, wait. You probably already
are relyingknew that. 👆
Again, entire thread devoted to your nonsense theory is already made, you can find your evidence there.
