Originally posted by zopzop
Yes it does, because I'm of the opinion Odin or any other Skyfather has no business busting galaxies, shaking the multiverse, or creating dimensions.Like I said in my previous post, Top Tier Abstractions haven't been shown doing half that crap, yet Earth centric Skyfathers are?
If you are gonna complain that a character who for the last 30+ years was said to have infinite strength potential can't overpower an enchantment from a skyfather because that would be PIS. Then at least be consistent with your outrage and say Skyfathers shouldn't be able to pull half the stunts they do when the Cosmic Hierarchy hasn't been shown being able to.
I can list example after example of pure unadulterated PIS involving High Heralds up to Skyfathers. There's a thread called "Highest Feats" or something check it out.
A month or so ago, a poster joked that Surfer had better feats/showings than his god d@mn master and creator Galactus. That's the sorry state of affairs storylines are in now.
Great logic so on panel evidence exist on how powerful a skyfather IS
but you don't like it.
However a character who may have infinte strength never proven on panel is cool 😱
AS for your last statement about surfer and galactus a DUH
That has always been that way about comics from D/C to marvel. If you don't like don't read them.
And the fact that you don't like how things work doesn't mean much anyway when we debate on how thing are written not how we would like them to be ... well must of us ::looks around for quan::
Originally posted by DarkOdin
Great logic so on panel evidence exist on how powerful a skyfather ISbut you don't like it.
However a character who may have infinte strength never proven on panel is cool 😱
It's not like it's a typo, Marvel has been saying that about the Hulk for decades! Why is it PIS if this being who has infinite strength potential lifts Mjolnir?
You have skyfathers outperforming universal abstractions and you don't consider that PIS?
It's a double standard.
AS for your last statement about surfer and galactus a DUHThat has always been that way about comics from D/C to marvel. If you don't like don't read them.
And the fact that you don't like how things work doesn't mean much anyway when we debate on how thing are written not how we would like them to be ... well must of us ::looks around for quan::
I know on panel evidence > all. It still doesn't make the storylines any less idiotic.
Originally posted by zopzop1: Hulk does NOT have infinite strength and has never shown have it
It's not like it's a typo, Marvel has been saying that about the Hulk for decades! Why is it PIS if this being who has infinite strength potential lifts Mjolnir?You have skyfathers outperforming universal abstractions and you don't consider that PIS?
It's a double standard.
I know on panel evidence > all. It still doesn't make the storylines any less idiotic.
Really dude....everything you posted is flawed.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
1: Hulk does NOT have infinite strength and has never shown have it
The Hulk has infinite strength POTENTIAL. The angrier he gets the stronger he gets. It's only been stated by Marvel for the past 30 years or so, it's not like something that just came out the blue.
2: Skyfathers do NOT outpreform abstracts
Oh yes they do! Surtur destroyed a galaxy by himself but the combined might of Galactus/Stranger/Eon/Kronos/Order/Chaos/Love/Hate/two Celestials only destroyed the immediate solar system and "many" nearby ones when they attacked Thanos SIMULTANEOUSLY. "Many" solar systems < galaxy.
Odin has busted galaxies. Odin/Seth's fight threatened ALL reality with destruction, yet the Infinity Gauntlet saga only threatened 616 reality. Odin/Seth fighting has shaken the ENTIRE multiverse, the Infinity Gauntlet affair never did so, it was all contained in 616.
3: Thor's hammer is NOT lifted through physical strength alone, therefore even if hulk did have infinity physical strength he should still NOT be able to lift it
Thor's hammer is still primarily a PHYSICAL object that's enchanted. It's not entirely magical like a mystic object created by a spell (for example : the Shield of the Seraphim is an ENTIRELY magical object).
4: Therefore it is NOT a double standard.Really dude....everything you posted is flawed.
Yeah well it would look that way to people with reading comprehension problems.
Hulk cannot lift Mjolnir unless he momentarily becomes worthy. This isn't up for discussion. It's been made abudantly clear.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
the enchantment bonds the hammer to the earth itself, so hulk is lifting the hammer and earth....but pushing against the earth all the while attempting to lift it.
The Earth's weight etc. has very little to do with it from my understanding. As long as it's attached to some physical plane, it cannot be lifted purely with strength. Drax for example could do not budge Mjolnir and they were fighting on a piece of rock the size of a house roof.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDrax15.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDrax16.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDrax17.jpg
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympuscomic book physics my friend. Just as a book with infinite pages should not be able to be lifted at all does not mean that someone in a comic can't do it. Just because it has an odin enchant to do it doesn't mean that someone can't outmuscle it. It's like superman punching through reality. Should it ever work. No. But does it yes. My suspension of disbelief continues on from magic to being able to overcome abstract concepts through physical strength in comics simply because it has been done in other areas. Mjolnir has been lifted by those who would be deemed unworthy and whether you want to argue bad writing or not it has been done.
Hulk cannot lift Mjolnir unless he momentarily becomes worthy. This isn't up for discussion. It's been made abudantly clear.The Earth's weight etc. has very little to do with it from my understanding. As long as it's attached to some physical plane, it cannot be lifted purely with strength. Drax for example could do not budge Mjolnir and they were fighting on a piece of rock the size of a house roof.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDrax15.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDrax16.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsDrax17.jpg
It's sad when Hulk gets written up so much, and Galactus gets written like a piece of shit forgotten Earth villian. Might as well be Armadillo at this point.
With Hulk you know he's going to do something stupid, with Galactus you just don't want him to do much in fear that he's going to get mauled. Ugh.
Just a little annoyance at Marvel.
Originally posted by zopzopYes. POTENTIAL. Meaning he hasn't reached it. He doesn't have a strength cap. But he also doesn't seem to be able to exceed a certain point.
The Hulk has infinite strength POTENTIAL. The angrier he gets the stronger he gets. It's only been stated by Marvel for the past 30 years or so, it's not like something that just came out the blue.Oh yes they do! Surtur destroyed a galaxy by himself but the combined might of Galactus/Stranger/Eon/Kronos/Order/Chaos/Love/Hate/two Celestials only destroyed the immediate solar system and "many" nearby ones when they attacked Thanos SIMULTANEOUSLY. "Many" solar systems < galaxy.
Odin has busted galaxies. Odin/Seth's fight threatened ALL reality with destruction, yet the Infinity Gauntlet saga only threatened 616 reality. Odin/Seth fighting has shaken the ENTIRE multiverse, the Infinity Gauntlet affair never did so, it was all contained in 616.
Thor's hammer is still primarily a PHYSICAL object that's enchanted. It's not entirely magical like a mystic object created by a spell (for example : the Shield of the Seraphim is an ENTIRELY magical object).
Yeah well it would look that way to people with reading comprehension problems.
Once again collateral damage means shit. Please don't ever bring that up in debating again.
Yes. But due to the fact that it is magical means that it is not lifted through strength alone.
Really how stupid are you?
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Yes. POTENTIAL. Meaning he hasn't reached it. He doesn't have a strength cap. But he also doesn't seem to be able to exceed a certain point.
What part of limitless/infinite potential don't you get? And you are accusing others of stupidity?
Once again collateral damage means shit. Please don't ever bring that up in debating again.
Collateral damage is a measure of power output and yes it means a lot. It's an excellent gauge of power.
Yes. But due to the fact that it is magical means that it is not lifted through strength alone.
It's not "magical". It's a physical object with an enchantment placed on it! Not an object wholly created by mystic forces.
Really how stupid are you?
Pot ......meet kettle.....
Originally posted by zopzoplol
Oh yes they do! Surtur destroyed a galaxy by himself but the combined might of Galactus/Stranger/Eon/Kronos/Order/Chaos/Love/Hate/two Celestials only destroyed the immediate solar system and "many" nearby ones when they attacked Thanos SIMULTANEOUSLY. "Many" solar systems < galaxy.Odin has busted galaxies. Odin/Seth's fight threatened ALL reality with destruction, yet the Infinity Gauntlet saga only threatened 616 reality. Odin/Seth fighting has shaken the ENTIRE multiverse, the Infinity Gauntlet affair never did so, it was all contained in 616.
Originally posted by zopzopYou don't seem to understand the word POTENTIAL. He has no known strength cap. But he doesn't have infinite strength. To get to infinite strength he would have to be infinitly angry.
What part of limitless/infinite potential don't you get? And you are accusing others of stupidity?Collateral damage is a measure of power output and yes it means a lot. It's an excellent gauge of power.
It's not "magical". It's a physical object with an enchantment placed on it! Not an object wholly created by mystic forces.
Pot ......meet kettle.....
No. Its a terrible gauge. By that logic gunfire>spiderman and Kingpin>Thor.
Actually it is magical. Its enchanted uru. If i'm not mistaken isn't Uru from asgard which is...y'know...magic?
Theres just no logic to what you post. Collateral damage means shit. AOE means shit. Get this through your thick skull.
