Originally posted by zopzopK. Let me rephrase that.
No, the cosmic hierarchy destroyed the immediate solar system plus "many" nearby ones. Thanos hadn't fired off a shot yet.No see above. Up to 3 star systems aka solar systems were destroyed by Galactus. That's nice but the cosmic hierarchy destroyed the immediate solar system and "many" nearby ones in their initial assault.
Again, you discredited the IG fight. Don't turn around and use it to say 'a conflict has never been seen since' is bullshit.
Star systems are commonly used as groups of at least 3 solar systems. Not that it matters of course. And it or I didn't say 'up to' in the original. It was three star systems were encompassed by his blast, and it did not slow. Meaning that it wasn't finished. Meaning that you can't use it to say anything under 3 star systems. Meaning, it doesn't matter if 'galaxy' was used later, as it's entirely plausible, and now fact.
And no, it said "Entire solar systems in the immediate vicinity are ravaged by the effects of this Celestial clash.", not "MANY". Thanos didn't add too much collateral damage... Galactus>IG/Galactus/others amirite?
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
K. Let me rephrase that.
That doesn't prove your point at all when you just discredited the IG/abstract fight to being only solar systems level... lolAgain, you discredited the IG fight. Don't turn around and use it to say a conflict has never been seen since.
But it was only solar system levels. The immediate solar system was destroyed plus "many" nearby ones. How does that discredit the IG? It was the cosmic hierarchy that was attacking. Thanos with the IG was tanking it.
Thanos said of the Tyrant/Galactus fight : a battle like it hasn't been seen before or since. That's a lie because Thanos with the IG took out everyone short of the LT. Get my point? So if he was using hyperbole there, why is it a stretch to say that he was using it when he said "their enmity must have destroyed galaxies" especially when NOTHING was shown on panel.
Star systems are commonly used as groups of at least 3 solar systems. Not that it matters of course. And it or I didn't say 'up to' in the original. It was three star systems were encompassed by his blast, and it did not slow. Meaning that it wasn't finished. Meaning that you can't use it to say anything under 3 star systems. Meaning, it doesn't matter if 'galaxy' was used later, as it's entirely plausible, and now fact.
And no, it said "Entire solar systems in the immediate vicinity are ravaged by the effects of this Celestial clash.", not "MANY". Thanos didn't add too much collateral damage... Galactus>IG/Galactus/others amirite?
Good for Galactus! He finally has a skyfather level feat under his belt! No it's Galactus 2007 > Galactus 1994. It only took him a decade or so to catch up to Odin.
Originally posted by zopzopAgain, it never said "Many". It never even said a solar system was destroyed iirc.
But it was only solar system levels. The immediate solar system was destroyed plus "many" nearby ones. How does that discredit the IG? It was the cosmic hierarchy that was attacking. Thanos with the IG was tanking it.Thanos said of the Tyrant/Galactus fight : a battle like it hasn't been seen before or since. That's a lie because Thanos with the IG took out everyone short of the LT. Get my point? So if he was using hyperbole there, why is it a stretch to say that he was using it when he said "their enmity must have destroyed galaxies" especially when NOTHING was shown on panel.
First off, you're not even quoting it right. Second, using your logic, it was bigger than the IG clash since it took out GALAXIES OMG and not MANY SOLAR SYSTEMS LOL. Third, Thanos was watching the battle himself and giving meaning to the fight since that's all we were ever given into the battle.
Oh, so Thanos took out everyone short of LT? So, Thanos did better than Odin ever has?
Originally posted by zopzop
Odin has busted galaxies. Odin/Seth's fight threatened ALL reality with destruction, yet the Infinity Gauntlet saga only threatened 616 reality. Odin/Seth fighting has shaken the ENTIRE multiverse, the Infinity Gauntlet affair never did so, it was all contained in 616.
Originally posted by zopzopRight, hating on Galactus. I'm just going to ignore Galactus teleporting a galaxy, and some context like you are though.
Good for Galactus! He finally has a skyfather level feat under his belt! No it's Galactus 2007 > Galactus 1994. It only took him a decade or so to catch up to Odin.
Unless of course, lots of collateral damage isn't the be all end all feat.
Originally posted by zopzopBecause he doesn't have infinite strength.
Yes, so why would it be PIS for a being with potentially infinite strength to override the "lifting" enchantment placed by a skyfather, when stupider crap has been done and fanboys don't call PIS?No its impossible for bullets to exceed Spiderman's damage output because we've seen him in action. How many bullets does it take to fling a full garbage truck 20+ft into an enemy? Spidey's fists do more damage.
It's not magical that's the whole point! It's a naturally occurring ore in the dimension of Asgard!
Their power output shook the multiverse, the multiverse being an INFINITE series of connected universes. Do you even understand that? The power they were throwing around was greater than anything we've seen from Galactus.
But through collateral damage bullets outpreform spidey a lot.
And isn't everything in asgard...magic? Itz a magical dimension.
OK. Odin still wouldn't do jack shit to galactus? Odin can shake galactus all he wants. Its not going to him. Neither will re-giniting him or threatening him.
COMBAT feats are what matters.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Again, it never said "Many". It never even said a solar system was destroyed iirc.
Yo if I find the scan and it says what I just said it does, I'm ignoring you from now on because at this point you're just talking out your ass.
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9533/theinfinityguantlet0509lf8.jpg
It discredits it because you just used it to say that Skyfathers have better feats than abstracts. And it discredits the IG because Thanos did really nothing to add to the collateral damage.
You've just discredited the fight. Now you're using it as proof? laughable.
Genius, when did I say skyfathers had better feats than the IG? I said abstracts. And they do. Of course Thanos added nothing to the initial assault he just stood there and laughed it off!
Thanos already had killed off 1/2 of all living things in the universe and when he confronted Eternity the entire universe winked out of existence and then remade itself.
First off, you're not even quoting it right. Second, using your logic, it was bigger than the IG clash since it took out GALAXIES OMG and not MANY SOLAR SYSTEMS LOL. Third, Thanos was watching the battle himself and giving meaning to the fight since that's all we were ever given into the battle.
Galactus at best took out a galaxy and this only happened recently. It took him a while to come up with Odin level feats. The IG wasn't involved in the initial assault it was the abstracts attacking Thanos not the other way around.
Oh, so Thanos took out everyone short of LT? So, Thanos did better than Odin ever has?
Thanos with the IG was God of 616, so yeah. Notice how I said abstractions and not the IG.
Right, hating on Galactus. I'm just going to ignore Galactus teleporting a galaxy, and some context like you are though.
But since you accept collateral damage as some sort of fact, then you must accept Galactus > IG/Two Celestials/Galactus and numerous others.Unless of course, lot's of collateral damage isn't the be all end all feat.
In his what 40+ years as a character he tped a galaxy ONCE 30 years ago and recently "wiped a galaxy clean of the AW". Gratz. Too bad in that time Odin has busted galaxies on multiple occasions (check the respect thread), shaken the multiverse, AND his battle with Seth threatened to destroy reality.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Because he doesn't have infinite strength.
He has the potential for infinite strength. He has no upper limit.
But through collateral damage bullets outpreform spidey a lot.
You're not even making sense anymore. Spiderman's damage output > bullets.
And isn't everything in asgard...magic? Itz a magical dimension.
.......It's a pocket dimension of 616. It has physical properties but also has beings capable of using magic, exactly like you know, Earth.
OK. Odin still wouldn't do jack shit to galactus? Odin can shake galactus all he wants. Its not going to him. Neither will re-giniting him or threatening him.COMBAT feats are what matters.
Odin and Galactus have never fought directly, all we have to go by is power output and in that regard : Odin > Galactus.
I give up with you.
Originally posted by zopzop
Yo if I find the scan and it says what I just said it does, I'm ignoring you from now on because at this point you're just talking out your ass.
EDIT: lol, at you using this scan. I've already quoted the words to it. Nowhere does it say "Many", or even that a solar system was destroyed, just 'ravaged'. You've just proved yourself wrong. Congrats.
And I'm talking out of my ass? You just said Skyfathers have better feats than abstracts because of collateral damage, misquoted a bunch of shit, and haven't proven a damn thing. You probably should ignore me, because:
Originally posted by zopzopWhen you discredit the Abstracts throwing their power at Thanos when Thanos added almost no collateral damage to the fight? And when you used Odin 'shaking the multiverse' as a better feat than Thanos only threatening the 616 universe? Use your head.
Genius, when did I say skyfathers had better feats than the IG? I said abstracts. And they do. Of course Thanos added nothing to the initial assault he just stood there and laughed it off!Thanos already had killed off 1/2 of all living things in the universe and when he confronted Eternity the entire universe winked out of existence and then remade itself.
Yes he did kill off half the universe, but he didn't destroy OMG GALAXIES!!!
Why are you lying again? Give me a scan saying the universe winked out of existence.
Originally posted by zopzopWell, that doesn't have anything to do with what I said...
Galactus at best took out a galaxy and this only happened recently. It took him a while to come up with Odin level feats. The IG wasn't involved in the initial assault it was the abstracts attacking Thanos not the other way around.
Also, again, Thanos added little collateral damage to the conflict. You don't even need to put me on ignore, since you're ignoring the shit out of me already.
Originally posted by zopzop
Thanos with the IG was God of 616, so yeah. Notice how I said abstractions and not the IG.
Originally posted by zopzop
Odin has busted galaxies. Odin/Seth's fight threatened ALL reality with destruction, yet the Infinity Gauntlet saga only threatened 616 reality. Odin/Seth fighting has shaken the ENTIRE multiverse, the Infinity Gauntlet affair never did so, it was all contained in 616.
Unless you're saying that the Infinity Gauntlet wasn't part of the Infinity Gauntlet Saga, then ya, you're saying Odin has a better feat than the Infinity Gauntlet.
Originally posted by zopzopAll of your Odin feats you stated come from the Seth fight... in 1996/1997...
In his what 40+ years as a character he tped a galaxy ONCE 30 years ago and recently "wiped a galaxy clean of the AW". Gratz. Too bad in that time Odin has busted galaxies on multiple occasions (check the respect thread), shaken the multiverse, AND his battle with Seth threatened to destroy reality.
Collateral damage though, best thing ever!
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
[B]Here, let me help you:
http://i51.tinypic.com/20a47ih.jpgEDIT: lol, at you using this scan. I've already quoted the words to it. Nowhere does it say "Many", or even that a solar system was destroyed, just 'ravaged'. You've just proved yourself wrong. Congrats.
And I'm talking out of my ass? You just said Skyfathers have better feats than abstracts because of collateral damage, misquoted a bunch of shit, and haven't proven a damn thing. You probably should ignore me, because:
It didn't say "many" zomg, it said "ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEMS IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY ARE RAVAGED". The initial assault destroyed solar systemS, plural. You weren't even sure A single solar system was destroyed. So STFU. I was off by one word you were completely off. Nice.
When you discredit the Abstracts throwing their power at Thanos when Thanos added almost no collateral damage to the fight? And when you used Odin 'shaking the multiverse' as a better feat than Thanos only threatening the 616 universe? Use your head.Yes he did kill off half the universe, but he didn't destroy OMG GALAXIES!!!
Why are you lying again? Give me a scan saying the universe winked out of existence.
What's to say? On panel the entire universe just warped/winked out and then it was remade with Thanos taking Eternity's place. How could you not even know this if you read the damn thing. I don't even know what the point of responding to you is if you didn't read the IG saga and I have to educate you with scans, which is a waste of my time.
http://img45.imageshack.us/f/thcq1.jpg/
http://img244.imageshack.us/i/tuni3fe4.jpg/
And yes shaking the multiverse is something no abstract has done. Unless you count the MM/Beyonder fight.
Well, that doesn't have anything to do with what I said...Also, again, Thanos added little collateral damage to the conflict. You don't even need to put me on ignore, since you're ignoring the shit out of me already.
Why the hell would Thanos need to add anything to that paltry attack? His other feats in the series, power output wise, put them to shame.
Unless you're saying that the Infinity Gauntlet wasn't part of the Infinity Gauntlet Saga, then ya, you're saying Odin has a better feat than the Infinity Gauntlet.All of your Odin feats you stated come from the Seth fight... in 1996/1997...
The only other feat close from Odin off the top of my head is from the Infinity arc of his.Collateral damage though, best thing ever!
Correct, I never said Odin accomplished that multiverse shaking feat multiple times. He accomplished that feat as many times as Galactus busted a galaxy : once. But the galaxy busting is old hat to Odin, check his respect thread. It took Galactus 40+ years to accomplish one of Odin's more moderate feats. Good for him.
Originally posted by zopzopI already quoted that for you a while ago. This just proves you either ignore everything, or have a bad reading comprehension.
It didn't say "many" zomg, it said "ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEMS IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY ARE RAVAGED". The initial assault destroyed solar systemS, plural. You weren't even sure A single solar system was destroyed. So STFU. I was off by one word you were completely off. Nice.
Also, ravaged doesn't mean destroyed. Still doesn't say a solar system was destroyed, just ravaged. Like I said in the post you quoted.
So no, you were still wrong. Average zopzop by the looks of it though.
Originally posted by zopzopThat was never stated... ever. I challenge you to find the scan of this being stated. Assumptions aren't proof before you start going that route.
What's to say? On panel the entire universe just warped/winked out and then it was remade with Thanos taking Eternity's place. How could you not even know this if you read the damn thing. I don't even know what the point of responding to you is if you didn't read the IG saga and I have to educate you with scans, which is a waste of my time.And yes shaking the multiverse is something no abstract has done. Unless you count the MM/Beyonder fight.
Good point, you have to educate me with scans. All one of your scans that I also posted and quoted (correctly) long before you posted it. I mean, I need to be educated on the IG, since I'm the one misquoting things, amirite? "MANY", It was "MANY" right?
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I find it funny how you use 'shaking the multiverse' just because it was in the narration, but you won't accept the only narration from Thanos of the Tyrant/Galactus fight saying they destroyed galaxies. Bias though, bias.
And what are you getting at with this 'multiverse' shit? Do you think that Thanos couldn't do that with the IG? Do you think it would do anything to IG Thanos? Do you think it's a better feat than what the IG has done? What exactly do you think of it?
Originally posted by zopzop
Why the hell would Thanos need to add anything to that paltry attack? His other feats in the series, power output wise, put them to shame.
Galactus on his own caused more collateral damage than that entire fight. Galactus > IG/Galactus/Celestials/etc?
Originally posted by zopzopI realize you didn't, but all of the feats you mentioned came from one fight. Actually, galaxies were only threatened by the conflict, and Seth was the one who sent shockwaves across the multiverse... but whatever, attribute feats to Odin...
Correct, I never said Odin accomplished that multiverse shaking feat multiple times. He accomplished that feat as many times as Galactus busted a galaxy : once. But the galaxy busting is old hat to Odin, check his respect thread. It took Galactus 40+ years to accomplish one of Odin's more moderate feats. Good for him.
"Check his respect thread"
lol no. I don't care. I never denied it. But what I'm getting from this, is that you can't prove it, so you want me to sift through a bunch of different pages to see him 'destroying galaxies'. I ask this question to you though, can YOU personally present me a scan of Odin destroying a galaxy?
i only believe some skyfathers can come close behind or equal to the weakest cosmic being not the actual abstracts.
maybe a crappy watcher which we have see can be pretty craptacular maybe enough but that's it and i emphasize "Maybe" and keep in mind many use M-Bodies and not truly present only a fraction of what they truly are.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I already quoted that for you a while ago. This just proves you either ignore everything, or have a bad reading comprehension.Also, ravaged doesn't mean destroyed. Still doesn't say a solar system was destroyed, just ravaged. Like I said in the post you quoted.
So no, you were still wrong. Average zopzop by the looks of it though.
Now I know you're either stupid or trolling :
http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861727333/ravage.html
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?search=ravage&lextype=2
That was never stated... ever. I challenge you to find the scan of this being stated. Assumptions aren't proof before you start going that route.
The entire universe : stars, planets, galaxies just twisted into nothing and reformed with Thanos victorious. I mean he only attacked the being that represents the universe and all 🙄
Good point, you have to educate me with scans. All one of your scans that I also posted and quoted (correctly) long before you posted it. I mean, I need to be educated on the IG, since I'm the one misquoting things, amirite? "MANY", It was "MANY" right?
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I inserted a word that wasn't there but it was clearly implied multiple solar systems were destroyed. You don't even know what the word : ravage means. So ...
I find it funny how you use 'shaking the multiverse' just because it was in the narration, but you won't accept the only narration from Thanos of the Tyrant/Galactus fight saying they destroyed galaxies. Bias though, bias.
And what are you getting at with this 'multiverse' shit? Do you think that Thanos couldn't do that with the IG? Do you think it would do anything to IG Thanos? Do you think it's a better feat than what the IG has done? What exactly do you think of it?
If it was JUST the narration mentioning once you'd have a point. But then other characters basically said "all reality is in danger of dying" or something similar. The writers couldn't have made it more clear.
Regarding the IG affair, It was shown on panel that the fight only affected 616 reality. The Gems have since been retconned into only working in the universe they are native too. So unless you can prove otherwise STFU.
Of course Thanos' feats and power puts them to shame, but that's irrelevant when you're arguing collateral damage like it means anything. Thanos was still in the conflict, and he still didn't bust GALXIES OMG!!!Galactus on his own caused more collateral damage than that entire fight. Galactus > IG/Galactus/Celestials/etc?
Thanos was toying with them. The majority of their individual assualts were laughable after they attacked him simultaneously. I mean, see for example what Love/Hate, Kronos, and the two Celestials were doing.
I realize you didn't, but all of the feats you mentioned came from one fight. Actually, galaxies were only threatened by the conflict, and Seth was the one who sent shockwaves across the multiverse... but whatever, attribute feats to Odin..."Check his respect thread"
lol no. I don't care. I never denied it. But what I'm getting from this, is that you can't prove it, so you want me to sift through a bunch of different pages to see him 'destroying galaxies'. I ask this question to you though, can YOU personally present me a scan of Odin destroying a galaxy?
I'm not doing jack sxxt since I'd basically be wasting my time enlightening your ignorance. It's right there in his respect thread if you don't want to take the time to look it over, it's not my problem Odin is a confirmed galaxy buster since at least the 1970s.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Its also the persons job to prove what they claim. Which he hasn't.
This is common knowledge on these forums. Check the respect thread. You have no clue wtf you are talking about and want me to do the work for you. Don't want to peek into his respect thread? Too bad.
