Originally posted by ParmaniacHe's saying I believe that Skyfather's outperform Abstracts, because they did more collateral damage.
So Zopzop is saying Odin > IG?I don't follow the convo that's why I ask.
Which means that Galactus outperformed the IG/Celestial/Stranger/IB/Hate/Love/Eon/Order/Chaos/GALACTUS as well on at least three seperate occasions. One with help from Tyrant. Galactus outperforms Galactus on the daily, and that's proof enough to say that Galactus>Galactus.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
You don't seem to understand the word POTENTIAL. He has no known strength cap. But he doesn't have infinite strength. To get to infinite strength he would have to be infinitly angry.
Exactly. Look what happened during WWH storyline. He took a step and the entire northeast coast of the US was shaking. Even after burning himself out fighting Sentry, he got angry and instantly powered himself up as if nothing happened.
No. Its a terrible gauge. By that logic gunfire>spiderman and Kingpin>Thor.
Fool, the damage output from a firearm is nowhere near the kind of damage that a class 10+ being like Spidemran can dish out. He could literally fling cars and trucks and topple buildings. Thor even more so.
Actually it is magical. Its enchanted uru. If i'm not mistaken isn't Uru from asgard which is...y'know...magic?
Uru is a PHYSICAL metal that Odin enchanted. It's not something created wholly from his magics out of thin air, I even gave you an example of a wholly magical object : the shield of the seraphim.
heres just no logic to what you post. Collateral damage means shit. AOE means shit. Get this through your thick skull.
Look up the word : Projection.
Originally posted by zopzopYes. Thats potential. He still does not have infinite strength.
Exactly. Look what happened during WWH storyline. He took a step and the entire northeast coast of the US was shaking. Even after burning himself out fighting Sentry, he got angry and instantly powered himself up as if nothing happened.Fool, the damage output from a firearm is nowhere near the kind of damage that a class 10+ being like Spidemran can dish out. He could literally fling cars and trucks and topple buildings. Thor even more so.
Uru is a PHYSICAL metal that Odin enchanted. It's not something created wholly from his magics out of thin air, I even gave you an example of a wholly magical object : the shield of the seraphim.
Look up the word : Projection.
In many of his fights spiderman doesn't destroy anything and bullets usually do. Therefore bullets>spiderman in strength.
No its not created out of thin air. But it doesn't have to be to be magical.
Once you understand what I said. Collateral damage and AOE mean nothing.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He's saying I believe that Skyfather's outperform Abstracts, because they did more collateral damage.
Exactly. Compare feats and you'll see what I mean.
Which means that Galactus outperformed the IG/Celestial/Stranger/IB/Hate/Love/Eon/Order/Chaos/GALACTUS as well on at least three seperate occasions.
Which three?
One with help from Tyrant.
You got proof this wasn't just hyperbole from Thanos? Because we saw NOTHING on panel I even remember Surfer asking Galactus why didn't he just fight Tyrant for Morg and Galactus said a battle between them would wreck havok on the universe. But this was a lie and when they did actually fight, nothing happened to the universe, galaxy, or solar system. Galactus' ship wasn't even destroyed!
Galactus outperforms Galactus on the daily, and that's proof enough to say that Galactus>Galactus.
So aside from the recent on when he "swept the galaxy clean" of the Annhiliation wave, what's the third galaxy busting feat?
Originally posted by zopzop
Exactly. Compare feats and you'll see what I mean.Which three?
You got proof this wasn't just hyperbole from Thanos? Because we saw NOTHING on panel I even remember Surfer asking Galactus why didn't he just fight Tyrant for Morg and Galactus said a battle between them would wreck havok on the universe. But this was a lie and when they did actually fight, nothing happened to the universe, galaxy, or solar system. Galactus' ship wasn't even destroyed!
So aside from the recent on when he "swept the galaxy clean" of the Annhiliation wave, what's the third galaxy busting feat?
Uh huh.
It was said twice, after Thanos viewed the fight on the computer. And was said right to Tyrant.
And the fight was pretty much cut short due to you know, Galactus trying to drain Tyrant and getting reversed. It wasn't a full on war like Galactus said would cause this much destruction.
Why exactly do you need three if you already know one anyway? Isn't that proof enough to say that Galactus>Galactus + numerous other abstracts? Or are you just looking for any way to discredit Galactus?
And, Galactus moved an entire galaxy to another place in the universe, if you must know.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
It was said twice, after Thanos viewed the fight on the computer. And was said right to Tyrant.
And the fight was pretty much cut short due to you know, Galactus trying to drain Tyrant and getting reversed. It wasn't a full on war like Galactus said would cause this much destruction.
But my point still stands. They didn't destroy jack when they fought. So Thanos was engaging in hyperbole. To further prove my point, Thanos said that the universe had never seen a battle of that scope/destruction before or since. How can that be true when he just got through fighting the abstracts with the IG not too long ago! The only explanation : hyperbole.
Why exactly do you need three if you already know one anyway? Isn't that proof enough to say that Galactus>Galactus + numerous other abstracts? Or are you just looking for any way to discredit Galactus?
Sweeping the galaxy clean of the Annihilation wave can mean a lot of things. Especially since originally we only saw him destroy "three star systems".
And, Galactus moved an entire galaxy to another place in the universe, if you must know.
Excellent. This was in an issue of Rom no?
Originally posted by Colossus-Big CUmmm...no he doesn't. Universal abstracts shouldn't even have to power to destroy one...
@zopzop, you have people outperforming abstracts because they have ALOT more feats, Galactus was stated to have enough power to destroy the universe 10 times, Eternity can bust the multiverse (which is an infinit amount of universes)
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Yes. Thats potential. He still does not have infinite strength.
He has infinite strength potential that means POTENTIALLY his strength has no limit.
In many of his fights spiderman doesn't destroy anything and bullets usually do. Therefore bullets>spiderman in strength.
Talk about a BS comparison. Spiderman, a class 10 being, has been shown doing more damage than any measly firearm can ever hope to do. Case in point, he flung an entire garbage truck at the Hulk.
No its not created out of thin air. But it doesn't have to be to be magical.
Uru is a physical object. It's nothing more than a dense metal from the dimension of Asgard. It has no magical properties on it's own. It's Odin' enchantments that make it return to Thor's hand, make it unliftable, etc... It's not a property of the metal.
Once you understand what I said. Collateral damage and AOE mean nothing.
Yeah they mean nothing, they are just an excellent gauge of power. I mean busting galaxies and shaking all creation is something so routine Firelord or Thing can do it.
Originally posted by zopzopK, Tyrant should have stood up to his pointless accusations and told him he didn't do anything to anything around him.
But my point still stands. They didn't destroy jack when they fought. So Thanos was engaging in hyperbole. To further prove my point, Thanos said that the universe had never seen a battle of that scope/destruction before or since. How can that be true when he just got through fighting the abstracts with the IG not too long ago! The only explanation : hyperbole.Sweeping the galaxy clean of the Annihilation wave can mean a lot of things. Especially since originally we only saw him destroy "three star systems".
Excellent. This was in an issue of Rom no?
That doesn't prove your point at all when you just discredited the IG/abstract fight to being only solar system level... lol
No, we saw him destroy three star systems and show no sign of stopping.
Also, one star system is still more than the IG fight did, so again, why do you need other examples?
Obviously.
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Originally posted by zopzopYes POTENTIALLY being the key word. This isn't hard my friend. He has the potential to exceed LT is pure strength. But to that he would have to be infinitly mad.
He has infinite strength potential that means POTENTIALLY his strength has no limit.Talk about a BS comparison. Spiderman, a class 10 being, has been shown doing more damage than any measly firearm can ever hope to do. Case in point, he flung an entire garbage truck at the Hulk.
Uru is a physical object. It's nothing more than a dense metal from the dimension of Asgard. It has no magical properties on it's own. It's Odin' enchantments that make it return to Thor's hand, make it unliftable, etc... It's not a property of the metal.
Yeah they mean nothing, they are just an excellent gauge of power. I mean busting galaxies and shaking all creation is something so routine Firelord or Thing can do it.
Actually bullets have exceeded spidey's collateral damage on numerous occasions. So do you see the flaw with this logic?
I know its an the enchantment that does most of the stuff. That doesn't change the fact that it is magical.
Yes because shaking the multiverse means someone could soooooo beat galactus even though there is absolutely no way to quantify it into a battle 🙄
Originally posted by Colossus-Big CAnd he has never shown and type of power near this.
but they outright stated galactus can destroy the universe 10X over
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
That doesn't prove your point at all when you just discredited the IG/abstract fight to being only solar system level... lol
No, the cosmic hierarchy destroyed the immediate solar system plus "many" nearby ones. Thanos hadn't fired off a shot yet.
No, we saw him destroy three star systems and show no sign of stopping.
Also, one star system is still more than the IG fight did, so again, why do you need other examples?
No see above. Up to 3 star systems aka solar systems were destroyed by Galactus. That's nice but the cosmic hierarchy destroyed the immediate solar system and "many" nearby ones in their initial assault.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Yes POTENTIALLY being the key word. This isn't hard my friend. He has the potential to exceed LT is pure strength. But to that he would have to be infinitly mad.
Yes, so why would it be PIS for a being with potentially infinite strength to override the "lifting" enchantment placed by a skyfather, when stupider crap has been done and fanboys don't call PIS?
Actually bullets have exceeded spidey's collateral damage on numerous occasions. So do you see the flaw with this logic?
No its impossible for bullets to exceed Spiderman's damage output because we've seen him in action. How many bullets does it take to fling a full garbage truck 20+ft into an enemy? Spidey's fists do more damage.
I know its an the enchantment that does most of the stuff. That doesn't change the fact that it is magical.
It's not magical that's the whole point! It's a naturally occurring ore in the dimension of Asgard!
Yes because shaking the multiverse means someone could soooooo beat galactus even though there is absolutely no way to quantify it into a battle 🙄
Their power output shook the multiverse, the multiverse being an INFINITE series of connected universes. Do you even understand that? The power they were throwing around was greater than anything we've seen from Galactus.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What?My point is, that in the current off hand editorial system, stories suffer. You have stupid fanboyish shit written into issues for no real reason than because. And the Hulk by his very nature, attracts writers and fans who want stupid fanboyish shit more so than say Thor from what I've seen.
And this isn't just me be b*tching. I've talked to multiple writers, and they've pointed out how stupid this crap is.
If it wasn't for old school editors like Breevort, the Hulk would have no doubt overpowered Mjolnir's enchantment by now. Why? Because random writer thinks it looks cool.
No knock against the character, I'm also a fan, but don't be surprised if one day some Thor writer who happens to be a fanboy gets an opportunity to write a comic, and has Thor overpower the Hulk in a contest of strength.
wanna talk about fanboyish.
Loebforce rulk was a joke. No version of hulk should own thor and thats the way it be. Thor>Hulk. Only reason thor at times has issues with hulk is he holds back, dosent want to kill him and hulk is so popular.
