Ymir vs Mephisto

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Among other things, Odin got ragestomped by Doom w/ Galactus' power.

Hela isn't retconning Spiderman. Hela may also be a Death God associating with Mephisto. That means as much as Manitou being a Skyfather associating with Odin.

Who also possessed the Cosmic Cube.

Why would there be anything special about Spider-Man? As seen in New Mutants, if Dani didn't fulfill her agreement to Hela, history would be retconned, she would have never received the power of the Valkyrie, she wouldn't have stopped Ares, and Osborn would have won, killing all the mutants and so on. Like I said, contractual like agreements seem to grant them immense power. It's been suggested in the past. Now its simply in continuity.

That was not my argument, although based on interactions, they would be peers. At the very least, their combined forces are equal more or less if not their individual power.

^ Doom didn't use the Cosmic Cube to wish that Odin be ragestomped. Galactus > Odin. They're not peers. Celestials might be peers to Galactus. Celestials, however, are also > Odin.

Originally posted by King Castle
Hela told moonstar that breaking of contracts after having been signed negates any future or past actions altering or reverting reality as it should be since they are bound to act within the contract past and present.

also Odin is at least Mephisto's equal and slight superior and has a slight edge over mephisto due to his divine nature..

Odin had the power to nullify Mephisto's contract over kevin's soul and invade his realm unnoticed

Mephisto kept Odin imprisoned in a burlap bag. 😬

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Doom didn't use the Cosmic Cube to wish that Odin be ragestomped. Galactus > Odin. They're not peers. Celestials might be peers to Galactus. Celestials, however, are also > Odin.

Seriously? The entire point of why Doom was so dangerous was because he possessed the combined power/capabilities of all the artifacts. Reed Richards made that abundantly clear.

Don't use Thor #300 as your basis for evidence. The Celestials would have rage stomped Galactus as well. When they were introduced, they were considered to be > Odin and the other cosmics. At least in the Thor office.

Contrary to what some like to believe, Odin and Galactus are peers. Heck on average, I think he might operate even below Odin at this point, what with having so many appearances where his weakened or hungry.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Mephisto didn't retcon Spiderman's history by having Spiderman break his contract. Also actions > words.

No, but the point stands, contracts give Death Gods apparently a lot of power. Reversing the nature of a contract or fulfilling the obligations of a contract, what's the real distinction? Power is power.

I have no reason to assume Gillen had Hela lying.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Mephisto kept Odin imprisoned in a burlap bag. 😬

Common dude. Context.

aside from that i wont say how mephisto did it and get into the details b/c honestly he really shouldnt have the power to force ppl to act against their will or waive his hand over reality..

but, whatever.

does anyone recall when Mephisto was screwing with black panther and BP and Mephisto stated that he wasnt hallucinating but were actually time traveling..

which would make mephisto's feat using this and being the most reasonable means of altering reality. a ripple in a lake is really all that is needed.. just saying and Odin can easily accomplish this as well as can other gods and or heralds

Mephisto basically erased all records -including memories- of Spider-Man's face from what I understand and might have erased the moment where he removed his mask live (Not 100% sure).

That's not above Odin's capabilities.

^ Retconning Spiderman's history > Odin's capabilities. Different historical actions, it wasn't a matter of erasing memories.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Seriously? The entire point of why Doom was so dangerous was because he possessed the combined power/capabilities of all the artifacts. Reed Richards made that abundantly clear.

Don't use Thor #300 as your basis for evidence. The Celestials would have rage stomped Galactus as well. When they were introduced, they were considered to be > Odin and the other cosmics. At least in the Thor office.

Just because Celestials rage-stomped a prepped and amped Odin doesn't mean they would have done the same to Galactus.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Contrary to what some like to believe, Odin and Galactus are peers. Heck on average, I think he might operate even below Odin at this point, what with having so many appearances where his weakened.

No, but the point stands, contracts give Death Gods apparently a lot of power. Reversing the nature of a contract or fulfilling the obligations of a contract, what's the real distinction? Power is power.

I have no reason to assume Gillen had Hela lying.

Seriously dude? Context.

The point stands that Mephisto didn't retcon Peter Parker's history by getting him to sign a contract and having it broken. The real distinction is that actions > words.

I have no reason either.

As opposed to focusing on early statements where Odin might have been speculated as being a peer to Galactus or feats by Death Gods which actually haven't been performed. Right.

but it should be above Mephisto's ability since he is not allowed nor can he enter any mind that is unwilling by demonic law and whatnot...

goddamn marvel continuity facepalm

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Seriously? The entire point of why Doom was so dangerous was because he possessed the combined power/capabilities of all the artifacts. Reed Richards made that abundantly clear.

You know what's annoying? The fact that it's made ABUNDANTLY clear in the scans that Doom was packing a lot more than just Galactus' power, yet people still try to play it off like Doom was using ONLY Galan's power to own Odin.

Reed said "IF he only had Galactus' power, we'd have a chance." The scans are in the Odin respect thread I think, or failing that they can just google and get the scan in question.

The fact that Doom had the Cube was the game changer. Back when the story took place, those things were basically mini Infinity Gauntlets in terms of power.

Lol at more of this Odin=Galactus bullshit.

Originally posted by zopzop
You know what's annoying? The fact that it's made ABUNDANTLY clear in the scans that Doom was packing a lot more than just Galactus' power, yet people still try to play it off like Doom was using ONLY Galan's power to own Odin.

Reed said "IF he only had Galactus' power, we'd have a chance." The scans are in the Odin respect thread I think, or failing that they can just google and get the scan in question.

The fact that Doom had the Cube was the game changer. Back when the story took place, those things were basically mini Infinity Gauntlets in terms of power.

Originally posted by King Castle
but it should be above Mephisto's ability since he is not allowed nor can he enter any mind that is unwilling by demonic law and whatnot...

goddamn marvel continuity facepalm

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And he still wanted Galactus' power and was only satisfied when he got it. Go figure. Mephisto isn't some minor demon governed by rules from on high. He's Mephisto.

Outside his hell, he's a joke. Thanos turned his back on an enraged Mephisto and all Mephisto did was talk sxxt and teleport away. Inside his hell, he supposedly, claimed to be around Odin level in power.

@Omega Vision

Lol at more of this Odin=Galactus bullshit.

I agree it's BS, based on showings Odin > Galactus on average.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And he still wanted Galactus' power and was only satisfied when he got it. Go figure. Mephisto isn't some minor demon governed by rules from on high. He's Mephisto.

anyways.......

Nah, Galactus is above skyfather by how much is up to debate depending on home field advantage and what depiction of the character we want to use from certain point and time.

^ Read Mephisto Vs. please.

Originally posted by zopzop
Outside his hell, he's a joke. Thanos turned his back on an enraged Mephisto and all Mephisto did was talk sxxt and teleport away. Inside his hell, he supposedly, claimed to be around Odin level in power.

Originally posted by zopzop

@Omega Vision

I agree it's BS, based on showings Odin > Galactus on average.

toss up.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Read Mephisto Vs. please. Characters talking crap = a feat now? Do tell.

No you misread my post. Thanos just got through dixking Mephisto out of a Cube and Mephisto was enraged. Thanos basically ignored him and his rants, turned his back to him and went about his business. Mephisto didn't do jack sxxt against Thanos even though he wanted too.

Earlier when he thought he had a functioning Cube, he willed the Cube to kill Thanos. But when it turned out the Cube was a dude, Mephisto took ZERO hostile actions vs Thanos, I guess he knew Thanos would kick his teeth in.

Inside his hell, he was equal to Galactus, turned Mjolnir to slag with a gesture, drew the full attention of the Living Tribunal. Let's not kid ourselves. Omega Vision, we just got IFPed. Infinite face palms.

OMG no, not Galactus! 😆

He turned Mjolnir to slag, then reformed it and threw it at Thor? Does that make any sense? Wouldn't it make more sense if that was an illusion to screw with Thor's mind? There were scans of Thor smacking Mephisto in the jaw with Mjolnir and knocking him on his ass. I wish I saved those pics.

I don't remember the scan exactly but I could have sworn he was telling him not to mess with someone because it would cause an imbalance. Nothing to do with Mephisto's power level at all.

Originally posted by zopzop
No you misread my post. Thanos just got through dixking Mephisto out of a Cube and Mephisto was enraged. Thanos basically ignored him and his rants, turned his back to him and went about his business. Mephisto didn't do jack sxxt against Thanos even though he wanted too.

Earlier when he thought he had a functioning Cube, he willed the Cube to kill Thanos. But when it turned out the Cube was a dude, Mephisto took ZERO hostile actions vs Thanos, I guess he knew Thanos would kick his teeth in.

He tested it. He wanted the Cube. He didn't want the death of Thanos through the Cube. Once he realized he had no Cube, Thanos was inconsequential to his rage at being outsmarted at his own game.

Originally posted by zopzop
OMG no, not Galactus!

He turned Mjolnir to slag, then reformed it and threw it at Thor? Does that make any sense? Wouldn't it make more sense if that was an illusion to screw with Thor's mind? There were scans of Thor smacking Mephisto in the jaw with Mjolnir and knocking him on his ass. I wish I saved those pics.

I don't remember the scan exactly but I could have sworn he was telling him not to mess with someone because it would cause an imbalance. Nothing to do with Mephisto's power level at all.

No. That would not make sense. At all. Nice revisionist reading. Like to see you read the Bible and confront the Vatican. Be a show for sure.

You're right. You don't remember.

IIRC, Mephisto was using illusions in that fight but it was never directly stated that his destruction/recreation of Mjolnir was an illusion.

However, it would make much more sense that it was an illusion like IIRC Odin was, based on his past interactions with Thor/Asgard and his goal in that issue. I believe he planned to demoralize Thor. Returning Mjolnir to him would be counterproductive.

Still, as nothing is conclusive, it's still speculation no matter how well it mashes up with the rest and you can't use that as a basis for a real argument.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And it was pretty clear that Doom wasn't using the Cosmic Cube to wish beatdowns on Marvel Earth. He was using Galactus' power to do that.

I already told you what happened. Unless the writer etc. made a comment that says otherwise, I have no reason to believe the Cosmic Cube wasn't added to the totality of Doom's power.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Just because Celestials rage-stomped a prepped and amped Odin doesn't mean they would have done the same to Galactus.

The fact that Celestials were considered to be above Galactus etc. however suggests that they would have.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. Just no.

The point stands that Mephisto didn't retcon Peter Parker's history by getting him to sign a contract and having it broken. The real distinction is that actions > words.

I have no reason either.

As opposed to focusing on early statements where Odin might have been speculated as being a peer to Galactus or feats by Death Gods which actually haven't been performed. Right.

Yes. But we'll see soon enough in May how the two compare in power.

The point is that contractual agreements seem to lend Death Gods a lot of power. They had an agreement. Mephisto fulfilled that agreement. Contracts don't exist only in paper. Do I have to go digging for an interview?

Might have been speculated? Lulz. I'm telling you the apparent case. You don't have to like it or even agree.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You misread the comic.

He tested it. He wanted the Cube. He didn't want the death of Thanos through the Cube. Once he realized he had no Cube, Thanos was inconsequential to his rage at being outsmarted at his own game.

You really want me to post the scans? As soon as he had the Cube he willed it to kill Thanos, it's right there in the damn book. Then when he found out he had a dud, he didn't dare confront Thanos and bounced. Thanos was ignoring his little rants and was so unimpressed by him, he turned his back to Mephisto and sat down.

You're right. You don't remember.

I'm going to try and find the scan, but I almost 100% positive it had to do with Mephisto's meddling in affairs and not something related to his power.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Read Mephisto Vs. please. Characters talking crap = a feat now? Do tell. Inside his hell, he was equal to Galactus, turned Mjolnir to slag with a gesture, drew the full attention of the Living Tribunal. Let's not kid ourselves. Omega Vision, we just got IFPed. Infinite face palms.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I feel like I'm dumber having read Zozop and Rage's posts.

So who forced you to read them? If it's so painful, put us on ignore or just scroll past our posts. Save the drama for people who care.