Ymir vs Mephisto

Originally posted by 753
Black Celestial arc show his power could consume universes. Annihilation showed his body rigged as a two-universe destroying bomb. He is the equity face of the LT, balancing death/oblivion and eternity/infinity out and thus maitaining the universe alive.
is repeatedly called an abstract along T&A and the celestials throughout thanos imperative, just to cite the most recent event. he is quite clearly on par and probably above them as TI showed him holding the galactus engine at bay by himself near the end. he interacts with eternity and other abrstracts with his own m-body (that can also be ssen as his real form outside the armor).

the in-betweener, who is a magical equivalent of G in the coscmic hierarchy (balancing chaos and order out), can be seen as one of the abstracts in the dimension of abstract concepts along LT and eternity when hank pym visits it, G is his equal in power on average (in fact, their encounter explicitly showed this) and his higher end showings dwarf the IB's. I'm puzzled as to how anyone could doubt G is an abstract.

black celestial arc showed nothing--his hunger was manipulated BY a celestial whom g was actually afraid of. if anything, the fact that the dreamer could so easily alter g shows clearly that g is well below at least THAT celestial. celestials have created pocket universes--WAY above anything g has done. arishem was unaffected by MULTIPLE skyfathers' power. thor alone has harmed galactus and even thanos blasted a well-fed g across a moon.

on average, celestials>>g on panel.

where is it revealed g is the equity face of lt? one time he LIKENED g to equity. that does NOT mean g represents equity at all, or that he is lt's 'face'.

g is most certainly NOT called an abstract b most. he is a PHYSICAL being capable of adopting an m-body. he is a living being from the previous universe granted vast power. abstracts don't die of starvation. 😐 they also represent a concept. g's role is still a mystery--even to him. he's even died. the ability to adopt an m-body doesn't make him an abstract. stranger has m-bodies as well. he is no abstract either. celestials are not abstracts either, btw.

strange ALONE has stalemated the inbetweener and even thanos was seen to apparently match his power output so stalemating IB for a while REALLY wasn't all that great a feat and you're considering him an equal 'on average' doesn't really help your case. the ability to blow up and destroy 2 universes was impressive but since it never happened we don't know if that really would have taken place and it certainly goes against all previous showings of g's level of power, his highest end showings being less than odin's.

again, i'm more than happy bz'ing odin vs galactus. nothing you said was all that impressive and some of it was flat out wrong.

Originally posted by 753
Annihilation showed his body rigged as a two-universe destroying bomb.

Originally posted by leonidas
black celestial arc showed nothing--his hunger was manipulated BY a celestial whom g was actually afraid of. if anything, the fact that the dreamer could so easily alter g shows clearly that g is well below at least THAT celestial. celestials have created pocket universes--WAY above anything g has done. arishem was unaffected by MULTIPLE skyfathers' power. thor alone has harmed galactus and even thanos blasted a well-fed g across a moon.

on average, celestials>>g on panel.

where is it revealed g is the equity face of lt? one time he LIKENED g to equity. that does NOT mean g represents equity at all, or that he is lt's 'face'.

g is most certainly NOT called an abstract b most. he is a PHYSICAL being capable of adopting an m-body. he is a living being from the previous universe granted vast power. abstracts don't die of starvation. 😐 they also represent a concept. g's role is still a mystery--even to him. he's even died. the ability to adopt an m-body doesn't make him an abstract. stranger has m-bodies as well. he is no abstract either. celestials are not abstracts either, btw.

strange ALONE has stalemated the inbetweener and even thanos was seen to apparently match his power output so stalemating IB for a while REALLY wasn't all that great a feat and you're considering him an equal 'on average' doesn't really help your case. the ability to blow up and destroy 2 universes was impressive but since it never happened we don't know if that really would have taken place and it certainly goes against all previous showings of g's level of power, his highest end showings being less than odin's.

again, i'm more than happy bz'ing odin vs galactus. nothing you said was all that impressive and some of it was flat out wrong.

👆

Originally posted by leonidas
black celestial arc showed nothing--his hunger was manipulated BY a celestial whom g was actually afraid of. if anything, the fact that the dreamer could so easily alter g shows clearly that g is well below at least THAT celestial. celestials have created pocket universes--WAY above anything g has done. arishem was unaffected by MULTIPLE skyfathers' power. thor alone has harmed galactus and even thanos blasted a well-fed g across a moon.

on average, celestials>>g on panel.

where is it revealed g is the equity face of lt? one time he LIKENED g to equity. that does NOT mean g represents equity at all, or that he is lt's 'face'.

g is most certainly NOT called an abstract b most. he is a PHYSICAL being capable of adopting an m-body. he is a living being from the previous universe granted vast power. abstracts don't die of starvation. 😐 they also represent a concept. g's role is still a mystery--even to him. he's even died. the ability to adopt an m-body doesn't make him an abstract. stranger has m-bodies as well. he is no abstract either. celestials are not abstracts either, btw.

G is necessary to the balance between death and eternity, as per the abraxas arc and several others that referenced it. if you believe he should represent a concept to be considered an abstract, this would be it, much like the IB balances chaos and order out, G balances life and death. the 3 faces of the LT correspond to opposing forces in the universe and their balance. Necessity correponds to eternity, vengeance to death and equity to G. that is what the LT meant, obviously.

well, he's called an abstract in the TI along the proemial gods and the celestials. most in the forums call celestials, true beyonders, etc. abstracts because the term is used as the name of a power tier, like herald.

strange ALONE has stalemated the inbetweener and even thanos was seen to apparently match his power output so stalemating IB for a while REALLY wasn't all that great a feat and you're considering him an equal 'on average' doesn't really help your case. the ability to blow up and destroy 2 universes was impressive but since it never happened we don't know if that really would have taken place and it certainly goes against all previous showings of g's level of power, his highest end showings being less than odin's.

No shit, eternity and oblivion have been pawned by everyone from trans to midmeta level characters and the LT couldnt put korvac down amirite? Are they any less abstract in definition or power level because of this PIS nonsense? is the IB not an abstract?

again, i'm more than happy bz'ing odin vs galactus. nothing you said was all that impressive and some of it was flat out wrong. [/B]

lol you talked out of your ass through your entire post and ignored a lot of points I made, but fair enough, let's BZ G vs odin. I actually dont have any scans of G myself, but I'm sure I can find them lying arround or ask people for them. how do we set up a BZ exactly?

Originally posted by Galan007
Huh?

Originally posted by 753
his hunger was tempered with, his power wasn't IIRC. he could consume a universe if he so desired, but he would never do this this under normal circumstances as he only eats enough to sate his hunger and is actually quite concerned with the survival of the cosmos as shown in BCA itself. lol at the thor comment

his hunger is directly related to his power. you alos have no proof whatsoever that he could absorb a universe under his own, unaltered power. pure speculation, as per most of your post. more importantly, it doesn't change the fact that he was altered BY a celestial you say he was greater than.

G is necessary to the balance between death and eternity, as pert the abraxas arc and several others that referenced it. if you believe he should represent a concept, this would be it, much like the IB balances chaos and order out, G balances life and death. the 3 faces of the LT correspond to opposing forces in the universe and their balance. Necessity correponds to eternity, vengeance to death and equity to G. that is what the LT meant, obviously.

g is NOT necessary, as was shown when he, you know, died. 😐 likened does mean equal. g does have a role. it remains a mystery however. keeping abraxas in check is a part--though when he died and became a star abraxas didn't seem to want to come out.....

well, he's called an abstract in the TI along the proemial gods and the celestials. most in the forums call celestials, true beyonders, etc. abstracts because the term is used as the name of a power tier, like herald.

most in the forums are wrong then, although i've never heard or seen anyone refer to either g or a celestial an abstract. so who ARE 'most of these people', exactly?

No shit, eternity and oblivion have been pawned by everyone from trans to midmeta level characters and the LT couldnt put korvac down amirite?

really? so which trans being has pwn'd eternity and oblivion again exactly? and lt couldn't put down korvac or chose NOT to in a what if universe. g has been beaten and stalemated MULTIPLE times by HERO level characters. a slight difference.

Are they any less abstract in definition or power level because of this PIS nonsense? is the IB not an abstract?

they are EMBODIMENTS of concepts. g is a PHYSICAL being. IB is a creation of order and chaos, NOT a physical being and he does represent their balance.

lol you talked out of your ass through your entire post and ignored a lot of points

really? so staing your interpretation of events ISN'T talking out of your ass? 😂

and.... which point did i ignore again? your categorization of g as an abstract is completely wrong, as is your estimation of his being equal to a celestial going by on-panel feats. his role in the cosmic scheme is greater than theirs, but status does not equate to power at all.

but fair enough, let's BZ G vs odin. I actually dont have any scans of G myself, but I'm sure I can find them lying arround or ask people for them. how do we set up a BZ exactly?

SWEET! we just start it up on a date we both agree and grab some judges that are trusted. simple as.

Originally posted by leonidas
his hunger is directly related to his power. you alos have no proof whatsoever that he could absorb a universe under his own, unaltered power. pure speculation, as per most of your post. more importantly, it doesn't change the fact that he was altered BY a celestial you say he was greater than.

g is NOT necessary, as was shown when he, you know, died. 😐 likened does mean equal. g does have a role. it remains a mystery however. keeping abraxas in check is a part--though when he died and became a star abraxas didn't seem to want to come out.....

really? so which trans being has pwn'd eternity and oblivion again exactly? and lt couldn't put down korvac or chose NOT to in a what if universe. g has been beaten and stalemated MULTIPLE times by HERO level characters. a slight difference.

they are EMBODIMENTS of concepts. g is a PHYSICAL being. IB is a creation of order and chaos, NOT a physical being and he does represent their balance.

and.... which point did i ignore again? your categorization of g as an abstract is completely wrong, as is your estimation of his being equal to a celestial going by on-panel feats. his role in the cosmic scheme is greater than theirs, but status does not equate to power at all.

SWEET! we just start it up on a date we both agree and grab some judges that are trusted. simple as. [/B]

Originally posted by 753
eternity and oblivion have been pawned by midmeta level characters

somehow i'd missed this initially. a midmeta character has pwn'd eternity and oblivion? so, who was this exactly.....?

Originally posted by leonidas
somehow i'd missed this initially. a midmeta character has pwn'd eternity and oblivion? so, who was this exactly.....?

Originally posted by leonidas
somehow i'd missed this initially. a midmeta character has pwn'd eternity and oblivion? so, who was this exactly.....?

Just in case he's late answering, I believe Oblivion was buried beneath a 'love avalanche' by Iceman and beaten. I'm not kidding, it had stop moronic name like that, 'love avalanche' or 'life avalanche' something like that.

Eternity, is trickier he could be referring to Nightmare? He comatosed Eternity. This is a guy (Nightmare) that Dr. Strange beat by putting him in a full nelson till he submitted 😂

EDIT :

He beat me to it 😛

It was Iceman, I wonder who the meta was in reference to Eternity?

Originally posted by 753
his power is directly connected to how much he eats, not to how hungry he gets, so your claim makes no sense.

of course it is. the more he eats the more powerful. his hunger became INSATIABLE because of the tampering. without it, he would be SATED. without his hunger being changed by the celestial, you have no way of saying he could absorb the universe. he couldn't absorb ALL of it as we have seen there are parts he can't absorb already.

when did I say he was above the black celestial? remember the celestials arent all the same

so he's only above CERTAIN ones? like who? and how are you going to prove it exactly?

hmm? If i recall the timeline correctly, it is after he dies and his remains become a star that abraxas is released.

actually, i think you're right about this. 👆

actually, he's not all that physical. people just see what they want when they look at him, but he is a transcendent entity. I'll meet you half way though, he isn't the exact same type of entity as death and eternity (neither is the IB) but he is the balance between them and they themselves consider him as such.

fair nuff. i know bill saw him as something different so he is a bit difficult to categorize.

the entire abraxas affair and G's cosmic role were ignored on your previous post.

i didn't ignore them, i SAID abraxas was part of his role, just that his entire role was and is unknown. i also said his role is vital for some reason--moreso than the celestials--but status doesn't equal power.

ok, who do you like?

as judges? blair, digi, bada, pr, mungi, odg, inimalist, bran (sr jb), existere, galan, gundam.

there are likely others, but i think those guys are all pretty unbiased and knowledgeable so could judge fairly.

we'd need some stips as well. standard versions of both? they meet before the gates of asgard? anything else?

Originally posted by 753
iceman, who at the time was a midmeta IMO KOed oblivion on panel with a mountain of ice. that's how marvel abstracts roll.

ahhhh, i remember that now. there was some context missing here though wasn't there? have to check it again.

Galactus hunger is never really sated, though.

I mean, he is "sated" when he eats a planet, but then he can easily consume the energy from his ship which also makes him "sated".

The fact that Galactus's position in the Universe is to keep order prevents him from simply consuming all he wants.

Changing his hunger did not change his ability to absorb/consume. Even if you were never able to tell when you were full you could not simply eat without having to eventually stop.

Originally posted by zopzop
Just in case he's late answering, I believe Oblivion was buried beneath a 'love avalanche' by Iceman and beaten. I'm not kidding, it had stop moronic name like that, 'love avalanche' or 'life avalanche' something like that.

Eternity, is trickier he could be referring to Nightmare? He comatosed Eternity. This is a guy (Nightmare) that Dr. Strange beat by putting him in a full nelson till he submitted 😂

EDIT :

He beat me to it 😛

It was Iceman, I wonder who the meta was in reference to Eternity?

@leonidas

I'll reply to your last post tomorrow and we'll begin setting things up. gotta go now.

Originally posted by 753
he was converted by annihilus into a PC bomb that would sweep both the regular universe and the negative zone causing a total extinction event.

so if sub-universal displays of power weakened him to such an extent, i don't see how it'd even be a possibility for him to snuff out 2 different universes at once.

Originally posted by Galan007
in one swoop, or planet by planet? if it's the former, i find that very unlikely. per godhunter, the events of annihilation forced galactus to draw on the energy reserves of his very being just to survive -- in turn making him hungrier/weaker than he'd ever been (to the point that missing a meal nearly killed him)... and the outputs of power galactus displayed in annihilation (under annihilus' control, or otherwise) were decisively < universal.

so if sub-universal displays of power weakened him to such an extent, i don't see how it'd even be a possibility for him to snuff out 2 different universes at once.

^ annihilus just used him to destroy planets, iirc.

and the herald my rage blast "swept the galaxy clean of life" -- so take that how you will.

I take it as him destroying a galaxy.

Originally posted by Galan007
in one swoop, or planet by planet? if it's the former, i find that very unlikely. per godhunter, the events of annihilation forced galactus to draw on the energy reserves of his very being just to survive -- in turn making him hungrier/weaker than he'd ever been (to the point that missing a meal nearly killed him)... and the outputs of power galactus displayed in annihilation (under annihilus' control, or otherwise) were decisively < universal.

so if sub-universal displays of power weakened him to such an extent, i don't see how it'd even be a possibility for him to snuff out 2 different universes at once.

Originally posted by leonidas
of course it is. the more he eats the more powerful. his hunger became INSATIABLE because of the tampering. without it, he would be SATED. without his hunger being changed by the celestial, you have no way of saying he could absorb the universe. he couldn't absorb ALL of it as we have seen there are parts he can't absorb already.

so he's only above CERTAIN ones? like who? and how are you going to prove it exactly?

i didn't ignore them, i SAID abraxas was part of his role, just that his entire role was and is unknown. i also said his role is vital for some reason--moreso than the celestials--but status doesn't equal power.

as judges? blair, digi, bada, pr, mungi, odg, inimalist, bran (sr jb), existere, galan, gundam.

there are likely others, but i think those guys are all pretty unbiased and knowledgeable so could judge fairly.

we'd need some stips as well. standard versions of both? they meet before the gates of asgard? anything else? [/B]