Legends was one of the clearest examples of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legends_(comics)
I'd say that might be Darkseid's biggest personality flaw: the desire to break his foes, to humble them. To make them, quote, "DIE FOR DARKSEID!" unquote.
Originally posted by Comics QueenJust because Darkseid wants to break someone's will in one story that doesn't mean he wants to in every story. there are plenty of examples of Ds wanting to beat Superman in combat.
If he wiped out Superman, then he wouldn't get to humble him and make him server him. People are forgetting DS true motives. He's not a killer. he wants to break wills.
Originally posted by quanchi112Which is why he never uses energy powers on Superman of any exotic type. He and Superman have always been even keel when it came to speed, and physicality.
Just because Darkseid wants to break someone's will in one story that doesn't mean he wants to in every story. there are plenty of examples of Ds wanting to beat Superman in combat.
Originally posted by Comics QueenHe's tried to hit him with his omega powers multiple times. You can't ignore how these characters fight in comics just because you don't like the end result. It's not like they fought once too they have fought many times.
Which is why he never uses energy powers on Superman of any exotic type. He and Superman have always been even keel when it came to speed, and physicality.
Originally posted by quanchi112I cannot recall DS ever Matter manipulating Superman, throwing him into the omega sanction, devolving him, erasing him, or any of that. He's only used his heat vision again Superman. That is why I said Exotic energy powers.
He's tried to hit him with his omega powers multiple times. You can't ignore how these characters fight in comics just because you don't like the end result. It's not like they fought once too they have fought many times.
Originally posted by Comics QueenHe's tried to erase him and he's hit him before with his beams though via cheapshot and in combat. Darkseid until he proves can't devolve Superman on sight.
I cannot recall DS ever Matter manipulating Superman, throwing him into the omega sanction, devolving him, erasing him, or any of that. He's only used his heat vision again Superman. That is why I said Exotic energy powers.
This isn't cbr.
Originally posted by quanchi112I'm sorry. That means that until Thanos mind rapes Thor, he can't. You see the ridiculousness of your argument. DS has never hit Superman with the Omega Wipe out. He's never dumped Superman in the Omega Sanction. He's never matter manipulated him. Why? Because he doesn't want to kill him. We saw how easily DS turned Jimmy Olsen into Krytonite. If DS wanted to Kill Superman, he could turn Superman's clothes into Kryptonite. But something tells me you don't care and conjecture would say that you would say that until he tries it on Superman he can't. Which is the point of the forum. We are talking about matches as they would happen given someone abilities and appearances.
He's tried to erase him and he's hit him before with his beams though via cheapshot and in combat. Darkseid until he proves can't devolve Superman on sight.This isn't cbr.
Originally posted by Comics QueenI don't see Thanos doing so to Thor either. I see him acting in character when he fights I don't just disregard their fights and try to ignore how Darkseid battles Superman. Darkseid tried to kill him with the k-nite in countdown. LOL. Darkseid wanted to kill him in superman/batman when WW blocked his beams, Darkseid wanted to defeat him in apokolips now, Darkseid tried killing him with his shadow demons in death of ya know.
I'm sorry. That means that until Thanos mind rapes Thor, he can't. You see the ridiculousness of your argument. DS has never hit Superman with the Omega Wipe out. He's never dumped Superman in the Omega Sanction. He's never matter manipulated him. Why? Because he doesn't want to kill him. We saw how easily DS turned Jimmy Olsen into Krytonite. If DS wanted to Kill Superman, he could turn Superman's clothes into Kryptonite. But something tells me you don't care and conjecture would say that you would say that until he tries it on Superman he can't. Which is the point of the forum. We are talking about matches as they would happen given someone abilities and appearances.
I am giving examples of Ds actively trying to kill him on panel. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112Pardon me but DS was going to Kill Superman until WW blocked his beams.( Superman did get his ass kicked and get knocked down on the ground defenseless. Superman was also being killed by the Shadow demons. Had not been for intervention, he would have died. DS did not try to kill Superman in Apok Now. He wanted to defeat him. And he would have if he hadn't pwned himself. DS punched himself in the face lol. DS got really hurt after he HURT HIMSELF. In countdown, DS wanted the 5th world to appear, there was no need to humble Superman at that point because his motives had changed. The point being, you can't say DS can't do these things to Superman just because he hasn't. That is like Saying Thanos can't mind rape Thor just because he hasn't. Of course he can. Also, DS motives do change from Story to Story. There are times when he's trying to humble, and times when he's trying to remove an annoyance.
I don't see Thanos doing so to Thor either. I see him acting in character when he fights I don't just disregard their fights and try to ignore how Darkseid battles Superman. Darkseid tried to kill him with the k-nite in countdown. LOL. Darkseid wanted to kill him in superman/batman when WW blocked his beams, Darkseid wanted to defeat him in apokolips now, Darkseid tried killing him with his shadow demons in death of ya know.I am giving examples of Ds actively trying to kill him on panel. 🙂
Originally posted by Comics Queen
I cannot recall DS ever Matter manipulating Superman, throwing him into the omega sanction, devolving him, erasing him, or any of that. He's only used his heat vision again Superman. That is why I said Exotic energy powers.
Originally posted by Comics QueenSo you admit he's tried killing him in combat though for whatever reason Superman keeps on fighting or winning. I agree he would have died against the shadow demons but you just stated he doesn't want to kill him which is blatantly untrue as you now freely admit.
Pardon me but DS was going to Kill Superman until WW blocked his beams.( Superman did get his ass kicked and get knocked down on the ground defenseless. Superman was also being killed by the Shadow demons. Had not been for intervention, he would have died. DS did not try to kill Superman in Apok Now. He wanted to defeat him. And he would have if he hadn't pwned himself. DS punched himself in the face lol. DS got really hurt after he HURT HIMSELF. In countdown, DS wanted the 5th world to appear, there was no need to humble Superman at that point because his motives had changed. The point being, you can't say DS can't do these things to Superman just because he hasn't. That is like Saying Thanos can't mind rape Thor just because he hasn't. Of course he can. Also, DS motives do change from Story to Story. There are times when he's trying to humble, and times when he's trying to remove an annoyance.
Ds didn't pwn himself Superman's actions caused it to happen he didn't just miss he evaded and made it happen. LOL.
Ds did try to kill Superman so again you confirm my truthful words.
I don't say he can't do these things I simply need proof and it's out of character for him.
Originally posted by quanchi112DS tried to kill Superman ONLY when the story called for it. If Superman got in his way of another objective, etc. You missed that point. If the main objective is to bend wills, DS is not trying to Kill Superman. And you skipped over my point. DS has never used any exotic powers on Superman and had them fail.
So you admit he's tried killing him in combat though for whatever reason Superman keeps on fighting or winning. I agree he would have died against the shadow demons but you just stated he doesn't want to kill him which is blatantly untrue as you now freely admit.Ds didn't pwn himself Superman's actions caused it to happen he didn't just miss he evaded and made it happen. LOL.
Ds did try to kill Superman so again you confirm my truthful words.
I don't say he can't do these things I simply need proof and it's out of character for him.
Originally posted by Comics QueenSo you admit it's not in his character to do so. you originally stated he doesn't try to kill Supes to which you just not backpedaled because I gave you multiple examples. The writer can do whatever he wants that still doesn't change the fact he's tried to kill Superman before which you stated he hasn't.
DS tried to kill Superman ONLY when the story called for it. If Superman got in his way of another objective, etc. You missed that point. If the main objective is to bend wills, DS is not trying to Kill Superman. And you skipped over my point. DS has never used any exotic powers on Superman and had them fail.
Originally posted by quanchi112Not unless Superman was in the way of another objective. DS does not want to kill Superman for the sake of killing him.
So you admit it's not in his character to do so. you originally stated he doesn't try to kill Supes to which you just not backpedaled because I gave you multiple examples. The writer can do whatever he wants that still doesn't change the fact he's tried to kill Superman before which you stated he hasn't.