Originally posted by Comics Queen
MM can phase and not even he could avoid the finders target.
Originally posted by King KandyThere was a very important part that I wanted to illustrate, that not even someone who can phase can escape the finders. Also note that Light Ray says your beams can teleport as well as obliterate. The effects do not require different levels of power from DS. DS has teleported Superman many times. If he wanted to, all he has to do is change the affect from teleport to obliterate.
Um... he didn't phase in that scan... so that's kind of like me saying "the finder beams can phase, and not even they could avoid Supes heat vision". Clearly you must think that's flawed logic since that's what you were just arguing against.
@Comics queen
I see your examples and I have already seen Superman outrun them and cleverly maneuver around them to hit Darkseid with them. In the first scan these guys aren't even fighting Seid so of course they are harder to avoid as they just showed up while they were fighting elsewhere.
I never said they couldn't hit targets but MM isn't as quick or didn't use his quick thinking due to his lack of experience with Seid as Superman has. The last is Desaad. Nothing more needs to be said of them working against him.
Originally posted by King Kandy
So? It can be blocked obviously so its not like it will hit anyway...
NO matter how you look at it.. it can, and has been blocked. What's worse they HAVE ZERO PROOF that was heat vision finder beams.. DS says clearly... THE OMEGA EFFECT. You have to prove it was heat vision not the other way around. Until then, that was the real Omega effect which was effortless blocked by heat vision.
Originally posted by Starscream M
frankly, OF Thor wasn't all that impressive. rulk handled him like a beanbag.
OF Thor was significantly more durable at least than regular Thor. The Destroyer and Bor fights show that much. Rulk didn't come close to killng Thor, yet admitted that Thor could have killed him in a few strikes.
Most impressive Thor ever? Hardly. But still impressive as all things go.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankrulk didn't kill thor cuz he got bored and left...you do remember that right? rulk could've killed thor, he chose not to
OF Thor was significantly more durable at least than regular Thor. The Destroyer and Bor fights show that much. Rulk didn't come close to killng Thor, yet admitted that Thor could have killed him in a few strikes.Most impressive Thor ever? Hardly. But still impressive as all things go.
bor was a bag of hyperbole...if you examine their fight, they didn't even destroy a city block.
Originally posted by Starscream M
rulk didn't kill thor cuz he got bored and left...you do remember that right? rulk could've killed thor, he chose not tobor was a bag of hyperbole...if you examine their fight, they didn't even destroy a city block.
Thor was beat up, but wasn't in danger of dying. Rulk explicitly said Thor could have killed him. Underestimating Rulk and getting smacked down isn't a low feat. Especially considering how Thor had fared since against Rulk.
What was hyperbolic about it? Bor was a king of Asgard and was durable/powerful enough to break Mjolnir. Thor explicitly said without the Odinforce, he would have been killed. That is enough to tell me that while Bor wasn't busting galaxies as Odin has, he was still exceedingly powerful in his own right. Not every High Herald/Trans/Skyfather/etc fight has to have massive collateral damage in order to prove they are powerful.
Originally posted by quanchi112That wasn't desaad. That was Superman. The Finder Beams cannot be outran or blocked. the Omegas can.
@Comics queenI see your examples and I have already seen Superman outrun them and cleverly maneuver around them to hit Darkseid with them. In the first scan these guys aren't even fighting Seid so of course they are harder to avoid as they just showed up while they were fighting elsewhere.
I never said they couldn't hit targets but MM isn't as quick or didn't use his quick thinking due to his lack of experience with Seid as Superman has. The last is Desaad. Nothing more needs to be said of them working against him.
Originally posted by Bentley
I want proof about that if you have it.
I'm pretty sure Mungi has scans to that affect.
@comics: got that backwards. The Omega beams have been blocked, as have the finders at times. But not the OE itself. Or the OS.
Regarding Desaad, he has impersonated DS at times, but......any abilities he uses as Darkseid are things Darkseid himself can do, and do better.
Witness his transport of Kanto via OE. Kanto got zapped, and sent backwards. No one knew, Kanto was presumed dead until Kanto's predecessor looked into the past and found him. Only DS himself knows what function his OE is serving at any given time. Like with Henshaw when he 'killed' him, when he really just stuffed him into an orb.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestI said the phased Finder beams have never been blocked. PHASED.
I'm pretty sure Mungi has scans to that affect.@comics: got that backwards. The Omega beams have been blocked, as have the finders at times. But not the OE itself. Or the OS.
Regarding Desaad, he has impersonated DS at times, but......any abilities he uses as Darkseid are things Darkseid himself can do, and do better.
Witness his transport of Kanto via OE. Kanto got zapped, and sent backwards. No one knew, Kanto was presumed dead until Kanto's predecessor looked into the past and found him. Only DS himself knows what function his OE is serving at any given time. Like with Henshaw when he 'killed' him, when he really just stuffed him into an orb.