Originally posted by zopzopI don't ever take any crossovers seriously outside the avengers/jla one so I wouldn't hold this against Darkseid.
Didn't Starfire block it with her beams and cause him extreme pain in the X-men/Teen Titans crossover? LOL that's just sad. Unless that's not canon, then I retract my statement.
Originally posted by quanchi112It's not a showing I despise. It's simple logic. DS can make his beams pass thru time, energy barriers, matter, but he forgot to make them pass thru superman's heat vision? He can grow Giant Size and amp his power levels but he doesn't do this? He can Change Jimmy into Kryptonite but doesn't turn the entire battle field to krytonite or Superman's clothes? That is why this forum exist. To talk about how a fight would happen if a character fought to the best of their abilities. No different than when Thor fights Hulk and Forgets he can control weather, teleport beings, etc.
You can use this logic whenever a showing occurs you despise.
Originally posted by Comics QueenHe changed him into k-nite because he still had the battery inside of him. Seid retained control until Atom severed it then they fought. You can't ignore the times the beams get blocked or deflected and make up whatever you want you aren't the writer.
It's not a showing I despise. It's simple logic. DS can make his beams pass thru time, energy barriers, matter, but he forgot to make them pass thru superman's heat vision? He can grow Giant Size and amp his power levels but he doesn't do this? He can Change Jimmy into Kryptonite but doesn't turn the entire battle field to krytonite or Superman's clothes? That is why this forum exist. To talk about how a fight would happen if a character fought to the best of their abilities. No different than when Thor fights Hulk and Forgets he can control weather, teleport beings, etc.
Originally posted by quanchi112I can say that the beams have never been blocked or deflected while phased. I can then say, DS never phased his beams in any instance you mentioned.
He changed him into k-nite because he still had the battery inside of him. Seid retained control until Atom severed it then they fought. You can't ignore the times the beams get blocked or deflected and make up whatever you want you aren't the writer.
Originally posted by quanchi112It is in character for him to phase the beams when he's trying to kill someone. It's not in character for Surfer to always use matter manip. It's not in character for Thanos to always use Tp. It's not in character for flash to imp. BUT they can. And in a fight at the best of their abilities, which the rules do say, DS would never, in a forum fight, allow his beams to be deflected. He would phase them. As per forum rules. Thus under forum rules, Superman would never win.
So then it isn't in character for him to always phase the beams.
Originally posted by Comics QueenThat's why I don't always argue these tactics. The writer clrearly defined Darkseid as trying to kill these foes yet his beams were blocked so your point doesn't stand.
It is in character for him to phase the beams when he's trying to kill someone. It's not in character for Surfer to always use matter manip. It's not in character for Thanos to always use Tp. It's not in character for flash to imp. BUT they can. And in a fight at the best of their abilities, which the rules do say, DS would never, in a forum fight, allow his beams to be deflected. He would phase them. As per forum rules. Thus under forum rules, Superman would never win.
Under forum rules we use comic showings as evidence not what we think should happen.
Originally posted by quanchi112I'm sorry, I"m using the same comics that show DS can phase his beams. You are discounting those facts because you do not like them. He can phase his beams. He never lost that ability. That is why there is the clause CIS or PIS. All you have to do is show one instance where the phased beams where blocked.
That's why I don't always argue these tactics. The writer clrearly defined Darkseid as trying to kill these foes yet his beams were blocked so your point doesn't stand.Under forum rules we use comic showings as evidence not what we think should happen.
Originally posted by Comics QueenExcept for the times he has been shown unable to do so with the proper timing.
I'm sorry, I"m using the same comics that show DS can phase his beams. You are discounting those facts because you do not like them. He can phase his beams. He never lost that ability. That is why there is the clause CIS or PIS. All you have to do is show one instance where the phased beams where blocked.
Originally posted by quanchi112No. Name a time when the phased finder beams get blocked. Let me help you out. they don't.
I said when he wants his opposition defeated he uses his beams so with the proper timing it gets blocked which has happened.
here it is very evident that DS's beams when in effect mode can do what ever they want to superman. He did not kill Superman because he felt indebted to him. Instead of wiping him out he simply teleported him.
MM can phase and not even he could avoid the finders target.
Finder beams go thru barriers and capture superman. once again the finders are NOT deflected or redirected.