Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Carver is claiming Krypto was able to stalemate a probe on his own.Q99: Well, I do agree with that. But Philo raises an interesting point. Plus, Hippolyta was amped a fair amount given her armor and artifacts.
lol. He made some effort, sure, but it was always portrayed as him being plucky and yet out-classed.
Superman and DD were the only ones shown to be able to take on multiple probes and tank their explosions iirc.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Q99: Well, I do agree with that. But Philo raises an interesting point. Plus, Hippolyta was amped a fair amount given her armor and artifacts.
Neither armor nor lasso strength-amp, though. Hm, the lasso does sometimes show impressive cutting properties, so I guess it could've been that...
Originally posted by kevdude
Yes if he is going all out he is above her....So that was the entire fight then?? One page?? Ok I got it, its not anything like a stalemate.. Everything else you have brought up has been answered, doesn't matter if you don't like the answers or not.
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👆 Yup, good thing we have the comics to show and know otherwise.
You didn't answer any of my questions.
Why didn't the probes that Doomsday and Superman fought detonate after being damaged?
When you answer that, think about this. If one of those probes would have detonate it would have seriously injured or koed him since we had a previous Probe (the one that landed in Kansas) explosion koing him.
Your debate tactic has a lot of holes.
Answer my questions please.
Originally posted by -Pr-
lol. He made some effort, sure, but it was always portrayed as him being plucky and yet out-classed.Superman and DD were the only ones shown to be able to take on multiple probes and tank their explosions iirc.
You forgot about Diana mother... she took on multiple of probes as well.
Originally posted by carver9
You didn't answer any of my questions.Why didn't the probes that Doomsday and Superman fought detonate after being damaged?
When you answer that, think about this. If one of those probes would have detonate it would have seriously injured or koed him since we had a previous Probe (the one that landed in Kansas) explosion koing him.
Your debate tactic has a lot of holes.
Answer my questions please.
When was Superman ko'd by a Probe exploding? Issue number/scans?
Also, Superman knew how to beat probes without making them explode. he stated as such.
Originally posted by carver9
You forgot about Diana mother... she took on multiple of probes as well.
Maybe, I don't remember. Was she tanking their explosions too?
Also, Krypto got his ass kicked, though i assume you just forgot that fight.
Originally posted by -Pr-
When was Superman ko'd by a Probe exploding? Issue number/scans?Also, Superman knew how to beat probes without making them explode. he stated as such.
Maybe, I don't remember. Was she tanking their explosions too?
Also, Krypto got his ass kicked, though i assume you just forgot that fight.
Doomsday also learned how to prevent them from exploding to huh?
Superman was koed by the probe that landed in Kansas. A kid (or a soldier... forgot) is screaming Supermans name while he was in the hole and he was sceaming it for a prolong amount of time. Superman then wakes up, fly out the hole and say "how long was I out for".
When did Superman state that he learned how to prevent them frm exploding?
Superman never tanked their explosions but she did (dianas mother) handle some licks from them pretty good.
We don't know how Krypto did since the entire fight was off panel. Superman did compliment Krypto for doing a good job fighting the Probe.
Originally posted by carver9
Doomsday also learned how to prevent them from exploding to huh?Superman was koed by the probe that landed in Kansas. A kid (or a soldier... forgot) is screaming Supermans name while he was in the hole and he was sceaming it for a prolong amount of time. Superman then wakes up, fly out the hole and say "how long was I out for".
When did Superman state that he learned how to prevent them frm exploding?
Superman never tanked their explosions but she did (dianas mother) handle some licks from them pretty good.
We don't know how Krypto did since the entire fight was off panel. Superman did compliment Krypto for doing a good job fighting the Probe.
that's beside the point. besides, there was energy coming from their bodies anyway, and we know superman can tank their blasts.
umm... no. the kid calls superman when he first arrives, and thinks the probe is dead. then when he goes back down in to the hole he fights the probe. superman is in the ground when the explosion happens, then a soldier calls for him. then supergirl arrives. then superman comes out of the hole. there was no mention of him being knocked out.
when he saved aquaman in orbit from a probe.
Superman did. On panel.
No, the entire fight wasn't off panel.
Krypto was stated to be losing by the narrative. He didn't stalemate at all.
I suggest you re-read these comics.
Originally posted by carver9
You didn't answer any of my questions.Why didn't the probes that Doomsday and Superman fought detonate after being damaged?
When you answer that, think about this. If one of those probes would have detonate it would have seriously injured or koed him since we had a previous Probe (the one that landed in Kansas) explosion koing him.
Your debate tactic has a lot of holes.
Answer my questions please.
Try to look how the Imperiex energy is not exploding but drifting in space after there heads taken off.. The energy even drifts with Superman after he is away from the probe.
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probesupes10.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probesupes11.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probesupes12.jpg
Superman states "the armor will crack--but it's for energy containment", and then Wonder Woman with her shield slams it down cracking the probes armor and it explodes nearly killing her. Also note if Superman had not cauterized the probes arm it would have exploded, threating Arthur.
The DD/Superman attacks on the probes was different from the JLA attacks.
Originally posted by kevdude
Try to look how the Imperiex energy is not exploding but drifting in space after there heads taken off.. The energy even drifts with Superman after he is away from the probe.http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probesupes10.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probesupes11.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/probesupes12.jpgSuperman states "the armor will crack--but it's for energy containment", and then Wonder Woman with her shield slams it down cracking the probes armor and it explodes nearly killing her. Also note if Superman had not cauterized the probes arm it would have exploded, threating Arthur.
The DD/Superman attacks on the probes was different from the JLA attacks.
Your argument still fails since EVERY Probe exploded except the ones Doomsday and Supes fought. Its no way to counter that and again (Pr, Superman was koed), Superman was out of commition with the xplosion that took place with the probe that landed in Kansas.
Like I stated before, Superman and Doomsday ran up on Imperiex during the time he was preparing his probes (which was shown when he had all of the probes surrounding him while he was placing energy into them), so it would make sense that he basically threw these probes at Superman and Doomsday as a stall (even though they were not at their max).
I want to see where Superman stated that he countered the explosions from the probes and even then, its questionable because Doomsday was punching through them as well and they didn't explode.
THEN you post a scan of the energy exploding in space when Diana cracked the armor which discredit your previous argument.
First you state that since they were in space that was the reason the energy wasn't shot out of the Superman/Doomsday probes but now you changed your entire stance since I proved that wrong with the Diana showing.
Make up your mind buddy.
a) Superman was not ko'd. There's nothing in the comic that even hints at it. If you disagree, then post what you're talking about.
b) He had learned to stop them exploding. It wasn't mentioned that they had stopped exploding, and it was mentioned that they were the same Probes in space that Superman had fought on Earth. Ergo, they either exploded and they were tanked, or they simply didn't explode. Either way, they were the same Probes, as there's no evidence to the contrary.
c) Diana's mother was killed by a Probe exploding. Not exactly as good as you were making out, was she...
Carver, you're not exactly on a solid foundation here. You're cherry picking, and either support your argument, or simply drop it. Repeating yourself without proof (when I and others have backed up our arguments) isn't going to win you any debates.
Originally posted by -Pr-
a) Superman was not ko'd. There's nothing in the comic that even hints at it. If you disagree, then post what you're talking about.b) He had learned to stop them exploding. It wasn't mentioned that they had stopped exploding, and it was mentioned that they were the same Probes in space that Superman had fought on Earth. Ergo, they either exploded and they were tanked, or they simply didn't explode. Either way, they were the same Probes, as there's no evidence to the contrary.
c) Diana's mother was killed by a Probe exploding. Not exactly as good as you were making out, was she...
Carver, you're not exactly on a solid foundation here. You're cherry picking, and either support your argument, or simply drop it. Repeating yourself without proof (when I and others have backed up our arguments) isn't going to win you any debates.
If anything, I think all of us are cherry picking but since you want to get off of the topic, we can. I feel like I won this anyway. I made kevdude change his stance at least 4 times.
That's sound like a stomp to me and I am satisfied.
