Originally posted by carver9
Huh?I never gave up. You all didn't even prove my argument wrong.
By the way, Diana mother didn't die from a probe, she died from the re-entry heat when she entered the atmosphere and the ace in the hole was when she hit the planet (the impact).
I've already posted scans which contradict several of your points, rendering them invalid, so yes, I did.
You didn't prove your own argument right at all, though. You didn't back up any part of it. You said Superman was knocked out when he wasn't (and didn't back it up with scans), and you said that Krypto's fight was off-panel (which it wasn't). And he didn't stalemate the Probe.
Hyppolita (sp?) was already inside the atmosphere when she pulled the head off of the Probe. She had already proven herself able to withstand the heat of re-entry to a point.
Are you going to post proof or aren't you?
Originally posted by -Pr-
I've already posted scans which contradict several of your points, rendering them invalid, so yes, I did.You didn't prove your own argument right at all, though. You didn't back up any part of it. You said Superman was knocked out when he wasn't (and didn't back it up with scans), and you said that Krypto's fight was off-panel (which it wasn't). And he didn't stalemate the Probe.
Hyppolita (sp?) was already inside the atmosphere when she pulled the head off of the Probe. She had already proven herself able to withstand the heat of re-entry to a point.
Are you going to post proof or aren't you?
👆 Went from talking about how DD/Superman took out the probes and how they didn't explode then showed what happened with WW and Hippolyta and the probe's they took out (both different). And Hippolyta your right wasn't even in outerspace and somehow I am changing the story and what I said? I've already showed carver9 the proof and he hasn't shown any for him.. 😂
Originally posted by kevdude
👆 Went from talking about how DD/Superman took out the probes and how they didn't explode then showed what happened with WW and Hippolyta and the probe's they took out (both different). And Hippolyta your right wasn't even in outerspace and somehow I am changing the story and what I said? I've already showed carver9 the proof and he hasn't shown any for him.. 😂
I have been debating straight from my phone... my computer crashed. I plan on getting one soon so that I can start posting more scans like I use to. I don't have a problem with posting evidence... that's one of my main speciaties... my nickname.
Originally posted by carver9
I have been debating straight from my phone... my computer crashed. I plan on getting one soon so that I can start posting more scans like I use to. I don't have a problem with posting evidence... that's one of my main speciaties... my nickname.
You're called "Mister Evidence" ?
Originally posted by carver9
I have been debating straight from my phone... my computer crashed. I plan on getting one soon so that I can start posting more scans like I use to. I don't have a problem with posting evidence... that's one of my main speciaties... my nickname.
I look at it this way. THE PROBES WERE ALL INTENTED BY THE WRITERS TO BE THE SAME IN POWER.
The reason they seemed to vary in power is the very same reason all comic characters seem to vary in power (low and high showings). But the intention is clearly that all the probes have the same power.
With that said, using only the high showing probes and disregarding the low showing probes then the probes win. Using only low showing probes and disregarding high showing probes then the annihilators wins. Using the average of the probes (6 high and 6 low ones) then it's about even. This is all my IMO, so it's still up for debate.
Originally posted by h1a8
I look at it this way. THE PROBES WERE ALL INTENTED BY THE WRITERS TO BE THE SAME IN POWER.The reason they seemed to vary in power is the very same reason all comic characters seem to vary in power (low and high showings). But the intention is clearly that all the probes have the same power.
With that said, using only the high showing probes and disregarding the low showing probes then the probes win. Using only low showing probes and disregarding high showing probes then the annihilators wins. Using the average of the probes (6 high and 6 low ones) then it's about even. This is all my IMO, so it's still up for debate.
Good post but I see it like this... if Superman and Doomsday can take them out with ease I could see this squad doing the same thing if they were put in Supes and DD shoes since I think majority of the peeps on the team are either equal to or superior to Supes.
Hell, Bill was wrecking planets during a scuffle with stardust and Gladiator in his own right has annihilated planets along with other members of the annihilator... so punching through probes shouldn't be hard at all... especially with the power output these people could generate.
Originally posted by carver9
Like I stated before, Superman and Doomsday ran up on Imperiex during the time he was preparing his probes (which was shown when he had all of the probes surrounding him while he was placing energy into them), so it would make sense that he basically threw these probes at Superman and Doomsday as a stall (even though they were not at their max).
About this, the probes already had energy in them and Imperiex is not placing energy in them either, he is powering up to blast Superman and Doomsday for the kill blast, the probes are standing by because Imperiex Prime's full attention is on both of them..
Originally posted by kevdude
About this, the probes already had energy in them and Imperiex is not placing energy in them either, he is powering up to blast Superman and Doomsday for the kill blast, the probes are standing by because Imperiex Prime's full attention is on both of them..
We are talking about 2 different instances. Imperiex before Superman and Doomsday got there already had these probes surrounding him, placing power into them. Superman and Doomsday get there moments later which resulted in him releasing the probes on them.
Those Probes were nothing like the previous probes imo... not even close.
Originally posted by carver9
We are talking about 2 different instances. Imperiex before Superman and Doomsday got there already had these probes surrounding him, placing power into them. Superman and Doomsday get there moments later which resulted in him releasing the probes on them.Those Probes were nothing like the previous probes imo... not even close.
Righttt, thats in no way how the probes are made. Heck the probes aren't even IN the energy field that the Imperiex rods are in they are infront of it!! We can clearly see other times the probes during battles doing the same thing. It's like pulling teeth with you about this.. bash
Originally posted by kevdude
Righttt, thats in no way how the probes are made. Heck the probes aren't even IN the energy field that the Imperiex rods are in they are infront of it!! We can clearly see other times the probes during battles doing the same thing. It's like pulling teeth with you about this.. bash
Lol... just let me win this and agree with me and let's move on. I asked you a simple question about this subject and you made up stuff.
I asked you why the probes that Superman and Doomsday fought didn't self destruct. You then state that they didn't explode because they were in space. I then bring up the one Diana kille in space exploding along with the probes that diana mother killed in space.
You then state that Superman learned a way of preventing them from exploding and then I ask "why didn't the ones the Doomsday kill not self destruct" and you had no explanation.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... just let me win this and agree with me and let's move on. I asked you a simple question about this subject and you made up stuff.I asked you why the probes that Superman and Doomsday fought didn't self destruct. You then state that they didn't explode because they were in space. I then bring up the one Diana kille in space exploding along with the probes that diana mother killed in space.
You then state that Superman learned a way of preventing them from exploding and then I ask "why didn't the ones the Doomsday kill not self destruct" and you had no explanation.
Whatever you say Carver9. 😂 Done going over and over about this wasting time.
Btw Probes win.
Originally posted by carver9
We are talking about 2 different instances. Imperiex before Superman and Doomsday got there already had these probes surrounding him, placing power into them. Superman and Doomsday get there moments later which resulted in him releasing the probes on them.Those Probes were nothing like the previous probes imo... not even close.
Superman and Doomsday were in space for days if not weeks (this was stated ON PANEL). Imperiex came later. So yes, same probes.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman and Doomsday were in space for days if not weeks (this was stated ON PANEL). Imperiex came later. So yes, same probes.
You only answered a portion of my post.
Let's also add this note... Mongul Jr training towards Supes was basically to get him completely out of the "holding back" mindset.
During their venture in space where both Supes AND Mongul faced the Probe, Supes gave the probe his all and was basically doing things with his powers that he never done before and he still didn't put a scratch on THAT particular probe "while going all out".
He then face Probes with the aid of Doomsday and he wasn't ant different than when he face the first probe that he didn't put a scratch on but yet he was able to take them out with ease.
Doesn't make sense to me.
Originally posted by carver9
You only answered a portion of my post.Let's also add this note... Mongul Jr training towards Supes was basically to get him completely out of the "holding back" mindset.
During their venture in space where both Supes AND Mongul faced the Probe, Supes gave the probe his all and was basically doing things with his powers that he never done before and he still didn't put a scratch on THAT particular probe "while going all out".
He then face Probes with the aid of Doomsday and he wasn't ant different than when he face the first probe that he didn't put a scratch on but yet he was able to take them out with ease.
Doesn't make sense to me.
And Superman stopped holding back when he was in space with Doomsday and the Probe.
Actually no. Superman was still learning, and didn't "give his all".
If you read the comic, it would make sense. It blatantly states ON PANEL that the probes were a challenge for him before he changed his mindset.
"As his "partner" is truly description personified, so has be become. And from that transformation... SUCCESS. Far away from the humanity he holds in such high measure, where the probes seemed far more deadly, he has cut loose. Subsequently, the probes have offered little resistance. He can't help but think... If he'd only come to this conclusion on Earth, how many might have been saved...?"
That's word for word what's on panel. Narration states that before this point, Superman was holding back in every fight he had with Probes. When he cuts loose, he has less trouble with them.
This is blatantly stated ON PANEL. I don't know how you can argue that.
Originally posted by -Pr-
And Superman stopped holding back when he was in space with Doomsday and the Probe.Actually no. Superman was still learning, and didn't "give his all".
If you read the comic, it would make sense. It blatantly states ON PANEL that the probes were a challenge for him before he changed his mindset.
"As his "partner" is truly description personified, so has be become. And from that transformation... SUCCESS. Far away from the humanity he holds in such high measure, where the probes seemed far more deadly, [b]he has cut loose. Subsequently, the probes have offered little resistance.
He can't help but think... If he'd only come to this conclusion on Earth, how many might have been saved...?"That's word for word what's on panel. Narration states that before this point, Superman was holding back in every fight he had with Probes. When he cuts loose, he has less trouble with them.
This is blatantly stated ON PANEL. I don't know how you can argue that. [/B]
This isn't about Superman, what I am saying is that the probes were inconsistent. Diana mother took out 2 probes with a ship to the head... inconsistent.
Black Lightning took out a probe with a small bomb... inconsistent.
Aquaman took out a probe but the entire JLA/JSA\Titans struggled to take out a single probe.
Diana along with the jla almost died facing two probes but again, Black lightning can take out one along with Dianas mother.
I agree, there is no way to argue against what you posted but there is no way to argue against my above post.