Bat Girl (cassie) vs Punisher

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Shiva> Punisher.

CIS-less Shiva > Batgirl
Daredevil > Shiva

Shiva> DD overall.

DD > Shiva

Cass <(not by a lot) or = DD

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Shiva> DD overall.

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Shiva is: Weaker. Slower. Less Skilled. Lacks Powers.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
DD > Shiva

Cass <(not by a lot) or = DD

Shiva went up against Cass and did well. And Cass is a lot faster than a human. Not saying she's faster than Matt, but his speed won't make a difference.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Shiva went up against Cass and did well. And Cass is a lot faster than a human. Not saying she's faster than Matt, but his speed won't make a difference.

Which is something Batman, Nightwing and David Cain have all done as well. Cass isn't notably faster than any top tier street.

Like I said before, the NW fight was hardly a fight. Both had 2 hits, it was inconclusive. Batgirl would beat Bruce as well. And Bruce has had insane feats that show his skill.

Batgirl

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Shiva went up against Cass and did well. And Cass is a lot faster than a human. Not saying she's faster than Matt, but his speed won't make a difference.

I never claimed DD speed would make the difference. I view Cass and DD more close in a fight then I do Shiva. Both DD and Cass record is much better then Shiva.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I never claimed DD speed would make the difference. I view Cass and DD more close in a fight then I do Shiva. Both DD and Cass record is much better then Shiva.

Yet, they went toe to toe, when Shiva had some death wish.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Shiva went up against Cass and did well.

I wouldn't say left for dead on a fish hook is doing well.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Like I said before, the NW fight was hardly a fight. Both had 2 hits, it was inconclusive. Batgirl would beat Bruce as well. And Bruce has had insane feats that show his skill.

BS. Bruce would take the majority from Cass. Barely beating Shiva is not enough to give her the nod over Batman. Shiva has never shown the ability to conclusively take Batman in a fight, and Cass only beat Shiva for the same reason David Cain (who Batman has effortlessly smashed) was able to fight Cass evenly for the majority of an issue: CIS.

When has Bruce beaten Shiva in a straight up fight? And how would Bruce beat Cass?

Better question when has Shiva beaten Bruce? Since her rep is considered the best????

Answer...........never.

Bruce has stalemated Cass anyhow so that match is almost dead even, kind of like Elektra and Daredevil.

IMO, Bruce would barely make top 10 MA in DC. Shiva and Cass would be on the list. I'm talking about a hth battle. No gadgets, etc...

So am I.

His strength, grit, durability and will is second to none. And his martial arts prowess is that good.

If your arguing just martial arts skill ranking you would have a better point. But this is not that.

That is what I'm talking about. But, yeah, Bruce has some good, PIS feats. Like when he took down Grundy or just recently the JLA with no prep time. He punched out WW. lol

Originally posted by Prep-Man
When has Bruce beaten Shiva in a straight up fight? And how would Bruce beat Cass?

He hasn't but she's never beat him and she has done nothing to suggest she could definitively. A character having the ability to barely edge out Shiva with the aid of CIS doesn't even begin to add credence to them being able to take Batman in a fight. Batman would beat Cass because he is physically superior and if Cass is more skilled the advantage she has so slight it minuscule.

Cass has some good PIS feats as well.

Like breaking through Superboys force field as well.

Or Shiva defeating someone that gave Superman problems.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Cass has some good PIS feats as well.

Like breaking through Superboys force field as well.

Or Shiva defeating someone that gave Superman problems.

Do you have the scans of the Superboy feat?

Shiva owned Shadowdragon who owned Superman's senses. Superman mentioned he was too quick, yet not quick enough for Shiva.