Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
2 things:Goten was not excluded and will therefore show up his entire race by giving Frieza a good fight.
Piccolo will win this for them more likely than not.
I would argue Goten could probably beat Freeza too, but that is beside the point.
Yeah, the only real way as far as I can tell for the Namekians to win is some uber mass fusing, though this assumes it is possible.
That said, Piccolo and Nail fusing, Nail whom we know was about as strong as an average Ginyu Force member, and Piccolo who presumably was not much more powerful, was able to make Piccolo strong enough to fight and hold the advantage against Freeza's second form. So theoretically it could work.
But yeah, Freeza more than likely wins.
Originally posted by NemeBroYeah, but that's also assuming Namekians can fuse with one another indefinitely -- which I don't believe was ever mentioned in the manga/anime, was it?
Yeah, the only real way as far as I can tell for the Namekians to win is some uber mass fusing, though this assumes it is possible.
If not, then we can't assume one Namekian can fuse with others more times than Piccolo did (since he preformed the most Namek/Namek fusions during the series he's the best gauge we have in this area.) Having said that, it's hard to believe that Nail fusing with 2-3 other random Namekian warriors with PL's around 3,000 would be sufficient to beat final form Frieza. Imo.
Originally posted by carver9So no Piccolo then? Cool beans.
Goten isn't included... none of the Z fighters is included.
Wasn't planet Vegeta stated as being at least 2 to 3 times bigger than Earth by Nappas own mouth. That's a lot of Saiyans and a lot of fire power. I'm pretty sure each of these Saiyans are stronger than Roshi who casually destroyed a moon. Roshi alone only had a power level of 129. With that said, there is no telling WHAT these Saiyans could dish out energy wise.
A combined attack from them would be something major (and it would probably kill them as well). I don't know if a combined attack of that magnetude from Saiyans that are weaker compared to a Vegeta (that hit Frieza with a big a** blast that he put his heart into which lead to Frieza smiling) could do anything... I really don't know.
Then if you think about it... Frieza killed an entire crew of some of the strongest Nameks on the planet with nothing but a kiss and this was frieza during his weakest.
They are going to be hard pressed at taking him down, HARD pressed and its questionable if they could even damage him or even see him during mid blitz (remember, Piccolo, Gohun, and Krillin couldn't even see Frieza attacks or him during the beginning of his last Transformation and this is a more powerful Frieza).
Basically Frieza could attack them any time he wants without them even knowing where it is coming from.
I just wanted to see what others thought about this and you all are making good arguments.
Dragonball logic is silly when it comes to team vs 1 fights
even if there were 100 guys with a 10,000 power level summing up to 1 million in power altogether, they could never beat someone with even 50,0000 power level lol
it always takes someone with equal or higher power level to take on another...thus frieza wins
Originally posted by Ages
Dragonball logic is silly when it comes to team vs 1 fightseven if there were 100 guys with a 10,000 power level summing up to 1 million in power altogether, they could never beat someone with even 50,0000 power level lol
it always takes someone with equal or higher power level to take on another...thus frieza wins
Very true.
If you think about it, you could get about a 100 guys with a power level of 10000 and they wouldn't even be a threat to someone with a power level of 50000 because for one, the person would be to fast to detect, too durable to hurt, and power to great to stand.
Namekian fusion is an exponential power in increase.
Piccolo was between 3500-20,000 before fusing with Nail. How do I know?
When he fought Nappa, it was, at most, 3500. Not much of a different in his power would have occured before he fused with Nail.
Nail was 42,000. Add those power levels up and you still do not get something even close to 500,000+. Frieza's second form was supposed to be over a million. Piccolo was something like 800,000-1,000,000 when he fought second form Frieza.
Obviously, the power jump was exponential when he fused with Nail. The exponential growth is about a power of 1.28.
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_power_levels
That same would hold true when he fused with Kami.
So, if we assume the power jump is close to 1.28, every time they fuse (it could be higher or lower), it would take only 3 fusions with Nail to create a power level greater than 120,000,000.
Originally posted by dadudemonI can't agree with this.
Namekian fusion is an exponential power in increase.Piccolo was between 3500-20,000 before fusing with Nail. How do I know?
When he fought Nappa, it was, at most, 3500. Not much of a different in his power would have occured before he fused with Nail.
Nail was 42,000. Add those power levels up and you still do not get something even close to 500,000+. Frieza's second form was supposed to be over a million. Piccolo was something like 800,000-1,000,000 when he fought second form Frieza.
Obviously, the power jump was exponential when he fused with Nail. The exponential growth is about a power of 1.28.
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_power_levels
That same would hold true when he fused with Kami.
So, if we assume the power jump is close to 1.28, every time they fuse (it could be higher or lower), it would take only 3 fusions with Nail to create a power level greater than 120,000,000.
First off, I'm sure Piccolo's PL was >> 20,000 (he had been training with King Kai, after all.) Secondly, if the Namekians could have beaten Frieza just by preforming a 3 person fusion, they surely would have opted to do so instead of allowing Frieza and Vegeta to slay so many of their people.
Additionally, obtaining a PL of 120,000,000 would put the Namekians above SSJ Vegeta, after he exited the time chamber. In fact, said amalgam's PL would have been roughly equal to USSJ Trunks (both of whom were FAR superior to -second form- Cell)... And considering that even AFTER Piccolo fused with Nail and Kami, he was only equal to -base form- Cell, it's really hard for me to believe that Nail fusing with a few weak/random Namekians would give him the power you described. Just my opinion.
Originally posted by Galan007
I can't agree with this.First off, I'm sure Piccolo's PL was >> 20,000 (he had been training with King Kai, after all.) Secondly, if the Namekians could have beaten Frieza just by preforming a 3 person fusion, they surely would have opted to do so instead of allowing Frieza and Vegeta to slay so many of their people.
Additionally, obtaining a PL of 120,000,000 would put the Namekians above SSJ Vegeta, after he exited the time chamber. In fact, said amalgam's PL would have been roughly equal to USSJ Trunks (both of whom were FAR superior to -second form- Cell)... And considering that even AFTER Piccolo fused with Nail and Kami, he was only equal to -base form- Cell, it's really hard for me to believe that Nail fusing with a few weak/random Namekians would give him the power you described. Just my opinion.
I agree 100% with this and honestly we don't even know where piccolo power level was at after leaving King Ki planet... its all a guess. What we do know is that Piccolo felt first form Frieza power level before coming on Namek and when he came on the planet and he believed that he was strong enough and had enough power to beat him and this was "before" the fusion.