Originally posted by Martian_mind
Eh, someone just cuts Frieza in half with a sword.
Not happening and there is no telling WHAT that sword was made out of and then it was weilded by a Super Saiyan. THEN you have to look at the fact that even Frieza father was suprised that Trunks sword was able to damage Frieza and stated that the sword had to be special in order to do that.
Originally posted by carver9
Not happening and there is no telling WHAT that sword was made out of and then it was weilded by a Super Saiyan. THEN you have to look at the fact that even Frieza father was suprised that Trunks sword was able to damage Frieza and stated that the sword had to be special in order to do that.
Wasn't it shown that there was absolutely nothing special about that sword?
Frieza goes bye bye from a good swing.
Just some food for thought. My friend had a power level chart from some quasi-official looking book back when I was in 8th grade (this is before the toonami funimation dub started airing) and it read out that Piccolo's power level when he arrived on Namek was somewhere around 200,000. I don't know how official that number is or if it's official at all, but I remembered that seeming reasonable considering the power Nail seemed to imply he had when he got to Namek.
Originally posted by dadudemon
HA!They have to be fast enough, though.
Also, Goku mentions that Frieza must of trained really really hard to get as powerful as he does. Since his parents are obviously very rich, it does not seem implausible that his parents would allow him to get the very best Ki and martial arts training in the universe. Additionally, his species seems to have a long life-span because he looks the exact same when he destroys Vegeta, as he does when he's on Namek.
Additionally, all of DB after the Frieza saga has a gigantic plot hole: any of the saiyans or half saiyans can QUICKLY defeat any foe they are up against by using the technique that Goku and Vegeta did during the Namek Saga: have someone hurt them near to death and have Dende heal them. Do this about 3 or 4 times and no one comes close in power to defeating them. Genius idea, right? Well, not really...cause they already thought of it during the Namek Saga. 😐
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Frieza has survived a planet explosion. 😐
And yet the sword went through him like butter.
All we know is a sword that was shown failing to go through two other people and attributed with no special properties went through Frieza with ease. Your defenses are assumptions, my point is backed by canon, ergo, I win.
Notice how you didn't really refute me. 😐
The sword instance is a plot hole. That sword would technically shatter the minute Trunks hit him with it. It did not. So we have to assume the reason the sword went through him was because of who was wielding it.
Where is my point not backed by canon? You saying Frieza did not survive being in a planet explosion? Seems canon to me.
It's pointless though because 1) I can't imagine anyone in this thread having a freaking sword so it doesn't matter and B. No one in this thread could swing that sword with the same strength Trunks would have.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Notice how you didn't really refute me. 😐The sword instance is a plot hole. That sword would technically shatter the minute Trunks hit him with it. It did not. So we have to assume the reason the sword went through him was because of who was wielding it.
Where is my point not backed by canon? You saying Frieza did not survive being in a planet explosion? Seems canon to me.
It's pointless though because 1) I can't imagine anyone in this thread having a freaking sword so it doesn't matter and B. No one in this thread could swing that sword with the same strength Trunks would have.
You are not backed in canon in your assumption that an individual MUST be as strong as Trunks to cut through Frieza, or that the sword should have shattered on impact. That's speculation on your part.
There was a sword, it went through Frieza with ease, end of story.
Hell, how is Frieza being cut a plothole? vulnerability to slicing moves is predominant throughout the series, with moves like the destructo disk being capable of killing beings far more powerful then the individual who used the move. Basically, frieza can survive being blown up as much as he wants, a good snip has been shown on panel as all that's necessary.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
You are not backed in canon in your assumption that an individual MUST be as strong as Trunks to cut through Frieza, or that the sword should have shattered on impact. That's speculation on your part.There was a sword, it went through Frieza with ease, end of story.
Hell, how is Frieza being cut a plothole? vulnerability to slicing moves is predominant throughout the series, with moves like the destructo disk being capable of killing beings far more powerful then the individual who used the move. Basically, frieza can survive being blown up as much as he wants, a good snip has been shown on panel as all that's necessary.
Not really. Since you noted the sword is not special, the only thing left in the equation is the wielder.
I could be an ass and say that that was a weaker Frieza who is not in this thread right? Just a heads up.
....You realize how much force goes into blowing up a planet? That much power is far above the levels Frieza's opponents will be able to dish out to him in this thread. But tell me something: What happens when someone very strong hits something very durable with an item that is not particularly strong?
You still haven't addressed where in the hell this sword that the Saiyans or Nameks have came from. Or how in the hell they'll be fast enough to hit him with it.
Frieza utterly stomps this thread. 😐
Originally posted by Martian_mindThis is one of the most retarded statements I've read in awhile.
And yet the sword went through him like butter.All we know is a sword that was shown failing to go through two other people and attributed with no special properties went through Frieza with ease. Your defenses are assumptions, my point is backed by canon, ergo, I win.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
You are not backed in canon in your assumption that an individual MUST be as strong as Trunks to cut through Frieza, or that the sword should have shattered on impact. That's speculation on your part.There was a sword, it went through Frieza with ease, end of story.
Hell, how is Frieza being cut a plothole? vulnerability to slicing moves is predominant throughout the series, with moves like the destructo disk being capable of killing beings far more powerful then the individual who used the move. Basically, frieza can survive being blown up as much as he wants, a good snip has been shown on panel as all that's necessary.
I can a take a gigantic shit all over your point: in Dragonball, a villager shatters an axe on Goku's head when he walks into their home. It gives Goku a lump on his head...but not cut.
Aura Angel is right: that sword is definitely special. For all we know, it's a graphene sword (that some many nerds get raging boners about) because their timeline is in the future of a timeline that is the future of ours.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Frieza utterly stomps this thread. 😐
Meh. You're right. I now see why you think this thread had so much lame.
Originally posted by dadudemonNo, it's not. Very far from, in fact.
Despite it's fact? 😬
After Piccolo fused with Kami and Nail, his power level was roughly around that of first form Cell. If Nail were to fuse with 2 no name/random/weak Nameks, subsequently boosting his PL to 120,000,000 (as you stated) it would put him in a class -far- beyond that of second form Cell -- putting him in the same league as SSJ Vegeta/Trunks AFTER they exited the hyperbolic time chamber.... Which is utterly ridiculous, and completely contradicted by feats/Piccolo's on panel fusion history (something you seem to be ignoring.)
Originally posted by dadudemon😂
When piccolo fused again, he was somewhere between SSJ and FPSSJ. He was stronger than 16 but equal to 17. 17 man handled 2 or more SSJs like they were nothing. So, yeah, he had BETTER be between those two after 3 fusions. 😬
Piccolo was NOWHERE NEAR a FPSSJ after fusing with Kami. Again, he was on par with first form Cell -- a FPSSJ was on par with perfect form Cell. Furthermore, Piccolo was NOT stronger than 16 after fusing with Kami (as 16 was =/> first form Cell as well.) He was, however, > 17.
Originally posted by dadudemonAfter fusing with Nail, Piccolo also said that he could beat Frieza "no matter how strong he was" -- which was entirely wrong/clearly hyperbole, as Frieza was still in his base form at the time.
Yeah, Piccolo shit his pants. As fact, he didn't say he could do it (after sensing his real power) until AFTER he fused...and that was before Frieza went to form 2.You're horrendously pwned on this point.
Horrendously pwned, eh? It's usually when people start feeling threatened and have nothing else left that they start throwing out insults. So thanks. 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemonHence my point.
If he joined with Nail, he'd be strong enough to beat the 530,000 PL Frieza. If he joined with Kami, he'd be strong enough to beat the 530,000 PL Frieza. AKA, the progression for either fusion would be around the same.
If Piccolo joined with Kami OR Nail he'd be strong enough to beat base form Frieza (PL 530,000.) So how in the world you think joining with a single no name/random/weak Namek on top of that would bump Nail from a PL of 530,000+ to upwards of 120,000,000 is completely beyond me, and does nothing but prove how faulty your 'calcs' really are.
For instance, even IF Piccolo's PL would have been 2,000,000 after fusing with Nail (and it was nowhere near that, mind you) it'd still have to increase 6 times over (just by fusing with one more weaksauce Namek) to be on par with 100% final form Frieza. I wouldn't even buy off on THAT much of a power gain -- let alone the 120,000,000+ PL you're trying to accredit to to a 3-Namek fusion. Just my opinion.
Anyhow, I'm pretty much done at this point. This argument has become circular, and quite boring.
Originally posted by Galan007
No, it's not. Very far from, in fact.After Piccolo fused with Kami and Nail, his power level was roughly around that of first form Cell. If Nail were to fuse with 2 no name/random/weak Nameks, subsequently boosting his PL to 120,000,000 (as you stated) it would put him in a class -far- beyond that of second form Cell -- putting him in the same league as SSJ Vegeta/Trunks AFTER they exited the hyperbolic time chamber.... Which is utterly ridiculous, and completely contradicted by feats/Piccolo's on panel fusion history (something you seem to be ignoring.)
😂
Piccolo was NOWHERE NEAR a FPSSJ after fusing with Kami. Again, he was on par with first form Cell -- a FPSSJ was on par with perfect form Cell. Furthermore, Piccolo was NOT stronger than 16 after fusing with Kami (as 16 was =/> first form Cell as well.) He was, however, > 17.
After fusing with Nail, Piccolo also said that he could beat Frieza "no matter how strong he was" -- which was entirely wrong/clearly hyperbole, as Frieza was still in his base form at the time.
Horrendously pwned, eh? It's usually when people start feeling threatened and have nothing else left that they start throwing out insults. So thanks. 🙂
Hence my point.
If Piccolo joined with Kami OR Nail he'd be strong enough to beat base form Frieza (PL 530,000.) So how in the world you think joining with a single no name/random/weak Namek on top of that would bump Nail from a PL of 530,000+ to upwards of 120,000,000 is completely beyond me, and does nothing but prove how faulty your 'calcs' really are.
For instance, even IF Piccolo's PL would have been 2,000,000 after fusing with Nail (and it was nowhere near that, mind you) it'd still have to increase 6 times over (just by fusing with one more weaksauce Namek) to be on par with 100% final form Frieza. I wouldn't even buy off on THAT much of a power gain -- let alone the 120,000,000+ PL you're trying to accredit to to a 3-Namek fusion. Just my opinion.
Anyhow, I'm pretty much done at this point. This argument has become circular, and quite boring.
If anything you've stated contradicted what I've already stated, it's wrong.
Got curious and read the whole thing. You first part is so....not related to what I was talking about. It doesn't even come close to actually addressing what I've stated. It's like you're quoting the wrong person and responding to them. Underline "cell" all you want...but if you forgot about Piccolo being pretty dead even with Android 17, then you've really missed the entire point. Keep in mind, Android kicked the ass of 2 Super Saiyans like they were nothing. Also, OFFICIAL CANON: 100% Final Form Frieza: 120,000,000. SSJ Goku on Namek: 150,000,000. These are the official figures. OOOOOFFFFFIIIIICCCCCCIIIIAAAAAALLLL. Is that clear enough for you?
Additionally, first form Frieza: 530,000. Second form Frieza: A bit over 1,000,000. Third form frieza, somewhere between 1,000,000 and 2,000,000. Frieza at final form starts out IN ONLY 1%. He raises it all the way up to 100 (increasing his power by a factor of 100).
Do the math.
100*1,000,000 = What? What does that equal? Is it something close to 120,000,000?
The answer is obvious. Why did you not know this? Because you've been reading fan-sites that have been WRONG
How the fan sites got it wrong when it was very easy to do the math...I don't know. You'd think just adding two 0's at the end of 1 million would be good enough, right? I just don't get it.
Piccolo, third fusion....he was definitely much stronger than Frieza. Much much stronger. So strong that he would make a regular SSJ look weak, just the same as Android 17 did. 😐
You really just typed a bunch of stuff that added nothing to our discussion. It is you who are circular in your arguments. You're not really contradicting me in most of your replies: you're just typing stuff about DBZ that is slightly related to my points. Somehow saying that Piccolo was on par with the full powered first form of cell is supposed to suffice as a contradiction to Piccolo being on part with Android 17? Not even. All you did was state more facts about Piccolo, but it does not even come close to a contradiction.
Also, being horrendously pwned is not an insult. 😬
And, yes, I showed quite clearly how the power scaling works. 20,000, then around 1,000,000. Then well over 120,000,000. It's pretty dang simple. It scales better with Nail's higher power.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
And actually the sword is not really special. It's just a rather horrid inconsistency.But ****, it looked cool.
It did. I think that was really the point of the sword. A "different" kind of fan service and boy did it work.