Frieza vs planets of superhumans

I would argue "trinity" Piccolo was signifigantly stronger than Goku when he first went SSJ.

Vegeta as a SSJ was stronger by a fair amount than that Goku, and 18 utterly crushed him. 17 was even stronger than 18, but was at best equal in power to Piccolo, though 17 had the advantage of limitless energy reserves.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I would argue "trinity" Piccolo was signifigantly stronger than Goku when he first went SSJ.

Vegeta as a SSJ was stronger by a fair amount than that Goku, and 18 utterly crushed him. 17 was even stronger than 18, but was at best equal in power to Piccolo, though 17 had the advantage of limitless energy reserves.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Sure but we aren't using the weakest SSJ as our benchmark... I mean, obviously he didn't know what a SSJ really was, but presumably Guru was imagining beings who had already been in that state, didn't just spontaneously manifest it on earth. A fully awakened SSJ is way stronger than Piccolo even with both merges.

Basically the strongest "SSJ" seen is Vegeta, who was still signifigantly weaker than Piccolo.

ASSJ, USSJ, and FSSJ, are ascensions BEYOND SSJ.

Stuff.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Um, no.

Basically the strongest "SSJ" seen is Vegeta, who was still signifigantly weaker than Piccolo.

ASSJ, USSJ, and FSSJ, are ascensions BEYOND SSJ.

Stuff.

Originally posted by King Kandy
They are still SSJ1, just modified forms.

I know about the Saiyans, but exactly how much stronger did Piccolo become than 17 after the hyperbolic time chamber? Must've been by quite a bit, with as long as he lasted against the Cell Juniors and all like Trunks and Vegeta. Regardless, was ghey how he became obsolete in the Buu saga.

I would go as far as to say that black hair Goku after getting out of the hyperbolic time chamber was more powerful than a average Super Saiyan.

Originally posted by King Kandy
They are still SSJ1, just modified forms.

Freiza willl absolutely WRECK the namekians and sayians.

Both Nail and King Vegeta, the most powerful of their race, could, literally, not scratch frieza. Stompage does not come in a more pure form.

And I know its freiza so he is bound to boast about himself...but he said he was 500,000x stronger than nail.

Bottom line is frieza destroys them in base form, much less top form.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Freiza willl absolutely WRECK the namekians and sayians.

Both Nail and King Vegeta, the most powerful of their race, could, literally, not scratch frieza. Stompage does not come in a more pure form.

And I know its freiza so he is bound to boast about himself...but he said he was 500,000x stronger than nail.

Bottom line is frieza destroys them in base form, much less top form.

Originally posted by yungz22
Freiza cant beat kamicollo

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Who?

I think he is referring to Piccolo after Piccolo fused with kami. The same Piccolo who fought Android 17.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
I think he is referring to Piccolo after Piccolo fused with kami. The same Piccolo who fought Android 17.