Originally posted by dadudemonLike I mentioned earlier, I got the impression that he was around Nail's level based on the narration of the scene. Now before you start typing up some long drawn out response, please understand that I already know you disagree with me, because that high of a PL doesn't fit into your theoretical equations... And that's fine (I'd rather not continue arguing the exact same thing over and over.)
What level do you think Piccolo is at, btw? (Not at the end of DB, but right when he gets to Namek.)
It's just my opinion that the writer's intention was to have Piccolo around that level, just like you feel he was below it.
Originally posted by Galan007
Like I mentioned earlier, I got the impression that he was around Nail's level based on the narration of the scene. Now before you start typing up some long drawn out response, please understand that I already know you disagree with me, because that high of a PL doesn't fit into your theoretical equations... And that's fine (I'd rather not continue arguing the exact same thing over and over.)It's just my opinion that the writer's intention was to have Piccolo around that level, just like you feel he was below it.
I agree with this as well. Why would Nail even mention Piccolo power level if it wasn't either on his level or superior? Doesn't make sense to me. Then we have Piccolo sensing Friezas power level and was still heading over to face him.
I wouldn't fuss with him though because his mind is already made up but again, I agree, Piccolo power level had to be far up there for numerous of reasons.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Piccolo arriving at the Namek at a power level of 20,000 would put him below Gohan. King Kai would surely have stopped him by saying that he would be completely useless if that were the case. I'd say he was stronger than Nail though not by much.
Yep...
I don't know HOW it happened so fast (Piccolo power level increasing so drastically) but majority of his training took place off panel anyways.
I agree with this though... Piccolo was pretty far up the chain when he hit Namek.
Originally posted by Galan007
Like I mentioned earlier, I got the impression that he was around Nail's level based on the narration of the scene. Now before you start typing up some long drawn out response, please understand that I already know you disagree with me, because that high of a PL doesn't fit into your theoretical equations... And that's fine (I'd rather not continue arguing the exact same thing over and over.)It's just my opinion that the writer's intention was to have Piccolo around that level, just like you feel he was below it.
Impossible for him to have been at Nail's level, as I've indicated, already.
Do you have evidence that Piccolo could jump from 3500 to 42,000 in the span of 5 days (because that's how long he had to train on King Kai's planet.) We DO have evidence of how quickly someone can progress in their power on King Kai's planet, so those automatically takes a crap on the label "theoretical".
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Piccolo arriving at the Namek at a power level of 20,000 would put him below Gohan.
I do not understand how this provides some sort of counter-argument to the "high-level" Piccolo discussion.
We do know that Gohan, after getting "unlocked" by Guru, was at 14,000.
We also know that Gohan's power rose over 20,000 when he as charging up his Masenko against Recoome.
We also know that Gohan's battle power rose to 200,000 right before fighting Frieza.
So, yeah, Piccolo would have been as much as 10x weaker than Frieza. By why is that? That's beacuse he's not a Saiyan and doesn't have the special recover ability.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
King Kai would surely have stopped him by saying that he would be completely useless if that were the case. I'd say he was stronger than Nail though not by much.
King Kia DIIIID try to stop them from fighting Frieza. He told him it was futile and to avoid him like the plague. They wouldn't listen. It was true until Goku went SS, there was no one even close to being able to stop Frieza. Since Piccolo was alive, it didn't matter if he died because he'd be brought back to life.
If Piccolo was weaker than Gohan, which he was, there would be no reason for him to go to Namek. He wouldn't be able to help at all. And as we know...
http://www.mangareader.net/105-2949-6/dragon-ball/chapter-300.html
Piccolo should have been keeping an eye out for Namek from the afterlife. I just can't see Piccolo willingly going to a place where he would be worthless from the beginning.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Impossible for him to have been at Nail's level, as I've indicated, already.Do you have evidence that Piccolo could jump from 3500 to 42,000 in the span of 5 days (because that's how long he had to train on King Kai's planet.) We DO have evidence of how quickly someone can progress in their power on King Kai's planet, so those automatically takes a crap on the label "theoretical".
I do not understand how this provides some sort of counter-argument to the "high-level" Piccolo discussion.
We do know that Gohan, after getting "unlocked" by Guru, was at 14,000.
We also know that Gohan's power rose over 20,000 when he as charging up his Masenko against Recoome.
We also know that Gohan's battle power rose to 200,000 right before fighting Frieza.
So, yeah, Piccolo would have been as much as 10x weaker than Frieza. By why is that? That's beacuse he's not a Saiyan and doesn't have the special recover ability.
King Kia DIIIID try to stop them from fighting Frieza. He told him it was futile and to avoid him like the plague. They wouldn't listen. It was true until Goku went SS, there was no one even close to being able to stop Frieza. Since Piccolo was alive, it didn't matter if he died because he'd be brought back to life.
Oh we have evidence that Piccolo power level can increase significantly with minor time. How about him focusing an entire year on Gohun during the Saiyan Saga... not training himself at all (that much) and STILL was able to jump up in power from 300 to 3500 and again, he didn't even focus on himself... the training and the entire year was to make Gohun stronger.
Originally posted by carver9
Oh we have evidence that Piccolo power level can increase significantly with minor time. How about him focusing an entire year on Gohun during the Saiyan Saga... not training himself at all (that much) and STILL was able to jump up in power from 300 to 3500 and again, he didn't even focus on himself... the training and the entire year was to make Gohun stronger.
That's wrong.
He fought with Gohan quite a bit and trained like a mad man.
He raised those pyramids, as well, with just his mind, as part of his training.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
If Piccolo was weaker than Gohan, which he was, there would be no reason for him to go to Namek. He wouldn't be able to help at all. And as we know...http://www.mangareader.net/105-2949-6/dragon-ball/chapter-300.html
Piccolo should have been keeping an eye out for Namek from the afterlife. I just can't see Piccolo willingly going to a place where he would be worthless from the beginning.
But, like I said, we KNOW for a fact that Piccolo would have been useless and King Kai even told them/him not to go. Even Gohan knew that Piccolo was not strong enough because he was hoping Piccolo had a plan.
They/he would have rather died fighting than watch everyone die/get destroyed.
Dadudemon you just used filler in your post.
Which means that, according to filler, even Yamcha was stronger than Recoome.
Piccolo is stronger than Yamcha.
Recoome is a little stronger than Nail (43,000 compared to 40,000).
Therefore, Piccolo is stronger than Nail.
Who is stronger than Gohan. 😄
According to filler anyway. estahuh
Originally posted by NemeBro
Dadudemon you just used filler in your post.Which means that, according to filler, even Yamcha was stronger than Recoome.
Did I or did King Kai really say not to fight Frieza?
Oh, right, he did and that was in the manga. 😄
I believe I even posted that in this thread, too. Shame on you.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Piccolo is stronger than Yamcha.
Sure...
Originally posted by NemeBro
Recoome is a little stronger than Nail (43,000 compared to 40,000).Therefore, Piccolo is stronger than Nail.
Fail logic.
The first portion of your logic was not correct so your entire logical conclusion is illogical.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Who is stronger than Gohan. 😄
Incorrect. When Gohan fought Frieza, his PL was 200,000. Canon source. Therefore, he was stronger than pre-Nail fused Piccolo.
Originally posted by NemeBro
According to filler anyway. estahuh
According to filler, maybe. 😉
But, if we go by filler, that makes our dear friend, Piccolog, weaker after his fusion with Kame. That's bad.
Originally posted by King Kandy
I feel like Toriyama intended piccolo to be around Nail's level... maybe even a bit higher.
I feel he intended him to be close to Nail's level, but a little bit lower.
Based on the lengthy dialogue I've posted, it would appear Toriyama intended for it to be much lower than Nail's.
Originally posted by ImANoob
Rude especially considering jokes/sarcasm dont come in text? kthxbye
LOL. He's a bastich like that, at times. He's just playing.
Also, welcome to KMC.
Originally posted by yungz22
Well that means he has to fight piccolo and kami.....all of the namekians including kami and nail say had he been his true self(super piccolo) he would have beaten frieza. Lol i would agree
I somewhat agree.
Piccolo merged with Nail and Kami created super piccolo.
Based on the power jump he made by merging with Nail, alone...that's a very big jump.
So, I think he wouldn't be super piccolo. He'd be weaker than the form that resulted from merging with Nail because Nail was much stronger than anyone on earth up to the Frieza saga.
Originally posted by yungz22
But even nail said had piccolo come as his true self frieza would not be a problem....true jus kami and piccolo would be a tad bit smaller than kami piccol and nail. Kamiccolo's strength is still way higher than frieza