Originally posted by Sirius77Because a character is shown in the dcu doesn't mean all appearances are now canon to the dcu.
You'd need to give me a link. Also, if there is only one series, and the lead from that series appears (among other characters from said series) within the mainstream universe, then it can be logically understood that the series is canon to the mainstream universe. I don't really see how that is disputable tbh.
Originally posted by TazerIf he absorbs creation he wins based on the paradise lost scan.
Yo.heres another claim "that cant be proven": Thanos w/THOTI beats the Presence by eating Creation, mainly do to the erroneous application of quoted statement.
no, but if thats how yur fractured mind wants to view it, have fun then.
as for Lucy, U argue against it as it defeats yur argument on basically every level, so Im not surprised to see it being done........
no, he didnt. AFAIK Didio has never spoken out about the "canon-icity" of a DC-chara's appearance in the V-verse, or the vice-versa happening; if U have a link (or any other piece of info) showing him doing so then plz share.
and I'll counter-that with "when hasnt he?"
no, he hasnt shown that yet. sorry.
agreed.
actually, he attempted to do so but failed in the task, never completing it.
nobody said that; the point being made was that the V-titles where the DC charas who x'd-over, and the V-charas who've done the same, have done so long enuff that ya really cant say theyre completly separate & inviolate anymore. Swamp Thing, the Doom Patrol, and Animal Man R a big example of that.
and anyways, didnt 1 of the new Earths from _52_ show themselves to have been Vertigo??
Tazer
No, because didio himself has stated that vertigo is separate until proven otherwise. Certain characters coming in doesn't mean all vertigo characters entire histories are canon.
I will have to search and find it again.
If you make the claim it's up to you to prove it.
What did Cronus fail to do ?
Dc can decide who to let it, what counts, etc. You can't say because a few characters are coming over everything counts.
Yo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Because a character is shown in the dcu doesn't mean all appearances are now canon to the dcu. If he absorbs creation he wins based on the paradise lost scan.No, because didio himself has stated that vertigo is separate until proven otherwise. Certain characters coming in doesn't mean all vertigo characters entire histories are canon.
I will have to search and find it again.
If you make the claim it's up to you to prove it.
What did Cronus fail to do ?
Dc can decide who to let it, what counts, etc. You can't say because a few characters are coming over everything counts.
1) the _Paradise Lost_ -scan doesnt address the Presence being beaten, so thats a big "FAIL" right there. moreover, by using that logic Thanos *must be able to* beat TOAA since he absorbed the whole of THOTI, and found NO opposition when he did so.
so basically, Thanos has ALREADY beaten God............even tho he never encountered him *at all*.
2)Didio said that if characters get printed in 1, they wont be seen in the other............but absolutely NOTHING about their continuities being separate, and quite obvious from the fact that various characters from the DCU who made the jump over there AND THEN came back have made referrence to *those* events.
so again, yur WRONG.
3)no prob. wil wait
4) find then: since U have yet to prove that Thanos eating the MU proves doing the same move in the DCU would beat the Presence, I'll await yur proving *that*.
5)and U have no justification to limit a characters feats simply due to them only appearing once or twice; thats just ridiculous.
Tazer
Originally posted by TazerThat scan addresses him residing in all of creation. That was the point of asmodel's futile attempts at taking on the presence.
Yo.1) the _Paradise Lost_ -scan doesnt address the Presence being beaten, so thats a big "FAIL" right there. moreover, by using that logic Thanos *must be able to* beat TOAA since he absorbed the whole of THOTI, and found NO opposition when he did so.
so basically, Thanos has ALREADY beaten God............even tho he never encountered him *at all*.
2)Didio said that if characters get printed in 1, they wont be seen in the other............but absolutely NOTHING about their continuities being separate, and quite obvious from the fact that various characters from the DCU who made the jump over there AND THEN came back have made referrence to *those* events.
so again, yur WRONG.
3)no prob. wil wait
4) find then: since U have yet to prove that Thanos eating the MU proves doing the same move in the DCU would beat the Presence, I'll await yur proving *that*.
5)and U have no justification to limit a characters feats simply due to them only appearing once or twice; thats just ridiculous.
Tazer
Thanos has already shown the means to attack the presence based off of the paradise lost scan.
Ok.
This is the presence against Thanos here. You trying to assume he's not in this vs. matchup is hilarious. Cronus also absorbed his power straight up without attacking all of creation so either way Thanos does either one and easily.
He did say they were separate not my fault you aren't up to date.
I didn't limit the feats I provided the means for Thanos to win based off of the presence's showings whereas you haven't even offered a case.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Because a character is shown in the dcu doesn't mean all appearances are now canon to the dcu.
Unless said character only has one series and appears explicitly in the mainstream universe. He's not the only one from his series to appear. Michael, Dream, Death, Destiny, and Raguel (Specter) have all appeared in the mainstream dcu.
Originally posted by Sirius77Yes, so those actions are canon to the dcu not their entire series until dcu decides to make them so. See the difference ?
Unless said character only has one series and appears explicitly in the mainstream universe. He's not the only one from his series to appear. Michael, Dream, Death, Destiny, and Raguel (Specter) have all appeared in the mainstream dcu.
Originally posted by Falamu
The DC portrayal of God is somewhat flawed and even blasphemous, though...in other words, God does not always seem to equal = All-Powerful. The One-Above-All may intervene far less openly and frequently, but is rarely cheapened so.
Depends on which supreme being we're talking about. DC has like a few of them.
Originally posted by FalamuIf we're really talking about the one from Vertigo he wasn't ever cheapened from a power stand point. everything that happened including Elaine Belloc taking over as God precisely because he was the most powerful. He left because he was tired of being the one able to know everything that was going on. He easily plucked Elaine out of creation in the middle of an apocalyptic battle in creation. In addition he was in the position of power to destroy creation "ab aeterno" meaning none of creation would have ever existed ever. Perhaps he wasn't perfect morally as the Christianity God is supposed to be but powerwise he was unparalleled.
The DC portrayal of God is somewhat flawed and even blasphemous, though...in other words, God does not always seem to equal = All-Powerful. The One-Above-All may intervene far less openly and frequently, but is rarely cheapened so.
Originally posted by Sirius77cause Thanos wankers can't handle their boy not being able to win in certain situations and believe that HOTU should be the be all end all proof that given the correct circumstances Thanos is unbeatable.
How can someone be real, but their actions be false? That makes no sense.
Originally posted by Black bolt zAnd can have his power taken and Thanos has shown the ability to handle supreme power. 2+2=4.
yes. But not all of it. Presence IS god.
Originally posted by Sirius77Just like a darkseid/xmen crossover. The characters are real yet this appearance isn't canon. By your logic every crossover counts since the characters are real. Laughin.
How can someone be real, but their actions be false? That makes no sense.