Originally posted by Rogue JediThe bad logic here is insane.
Here:If a wizard can turn a 6 foot teen into a 1 foot long ferret, then it stands to reason they can turn a 60 foot tall Balrog into a 10 foot tall banana.
A 10 foot tall banana? I was under the impression they could only transfigure into specific items?
Oh and the Balrog has a solid form only when it wants to, being able to effortlessly turn into smoke and fire.
Originally posted by NemeBro
The bad logic here is insane.A 10 foot tall banana? I was under the impression they could only transfigure into specific items?
Oh and the Balrog has a solid form only when it wants to, being able to effortlessly turn into smoke and fire.
It's never implied that they can only transfigure only certain items.
Going into fire and smoke would be a dumb idea. Dumbledore would then have complete control over it.
Originally posted by RobtardLulz wizards are shown doing both.
I did. He controlled a fire he conjured, you're taking the liberty in saying he can control any and all fires, NO LIMIT FALLACY.
Another thing, watch this:
Half apparating Death Eaters zipping around at hundreds of mph, smashing through brick walls at :51, and destroying huge bridges at 1:14. You really think the Balrog can withstand that?
Another thing, here:
Check out the half apparating death eaters. Check out the massive fire comets they summon. Check it out when, at 2:35, while half apparating, they smash INTO the burrow and cast fiendfyre as they are inside.
Oh yeah, while half apparating, they can go invisible, not to mention intangible.
But hey, HP magic is bullshit, it sucks and it's faggy, right? 🙄
Originally posted by PwnedThey were shown controlling natural flames, fiendfyre and firestorm. If they can control all 3, then they can control the fire that is the Balrog.
What kind of fire was it? Magical fire? Still not on par w/hellfire. or shadow. or demons.
They TK'd a train into stopping. If they can do that, they can TK the Balrog when it is solid.
Voldemort and Dumbledore combine the two I just listed. One controls the fire, one controls the solid part of the Balrog, they rip it to pieces.
They flew through stone walls. If they can do this, they can punch holes into the Balrog when it is in solid form.
They can go intangible and invisible while half apparting. If they can do this, they are immune to any and all attacks the Balrog has AND the Balrog cannot see them.
What more do you want, man? The wizards have WAY too much power and FAR too many spells to work with.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
They were shown controlling natural flames, fiendfyre and firestorm. If they can control all 3, then they can control the fire that is the Balrog.
So they can control their own magical fire and they can control natural flames. Though I thought fiendfyre was uncontrollable and took on a life of it's own?
How does that translate to controlling a magical being that has it's own sentience and is neither a product of wizard magic or natural?
Originally posted by Rogue JediYour conclusion is not implied by your premise. I know that is a logical fallacy, I just cannot recall which. The Balrog is a sentient flame deity, animated by cosmic power. That's a bit beyond what any Wizard has controlled.
They were shown controlling natural flames, fiendfyre and firestorm. If they can control all 3, then they can control the fire that is the Balrog.They TK'd a train into stopping. If they can do that, they can TK the Balrog when it is solid.
Voldemort and Dumbledore combine the two I just listed. One controls the fire, one controls the solid part of the Balrog, they rip it to pieces.
They flew through stone walls. If they can do this, they can punch holes into the Balrog when it is in solid form.
They can go intangible and invisible while half apparting. If they can do this, they are immune to any and all attacks the Balrog has AND the Balrog cannot see them.
What more do you want, man? The wizards have WAY too much power and FAR too many spells to work with.
TK a train? You mean the scene in the Deathly Hallows? Where the train just... Stopped? 😐 The train was pulled over, the Death Eaters run Hogwarts at that point, it was stopped because they willed it so.
Already explained why this cannot happen.
The Balrog and Gandalf survived a fall that was easily within the realm of a mile or more. 😐 Punching through stone does not give them the ability to harm him with any physical powers.
Do not get me wrong, HP magic IS more versatile than Lord of the Rings magic, by far, and is generally more useful. I would even say Voldemort or Dumbledore could beat Gandalf the Grey, though perhaps not the White.
But Saruman can conjure a massive storm enveloping a mountain range, and create lightning capable of breaking stone and causing an avalanche through it. A Balrog is the same sort of being.
The Balrog is too large, physically powerful, and ultimately immune to their means of harming him.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Your conclusion is not implied by your premise. I know that is a logical fallacy, I just cannot recall which.
"Non sequitur" - "does not follow"
Originally posted by NemeBro
The Balrog is too large, physically powerful, and ultimately immune to their means of harming him.
This is not supportable at all. I can just as easily claim that the Balrog is completely susceptible to all HP magic and be equally correct as your above statement. It's an arbitrary and futile argument.
Originally posted by dadudemonThis is not supportable at all. I can just as easily claim that the Balrog is completely susceptible to all HP magic and be equally correct as your above statement. It's an arbitrary and futile argument.
Exactly. And on a side note, read the OP. The Balrog was brought in after it was obvious that the wizards rape the OP.
Originally posted by dadudemonWell let's see, vanishing won't work because the Balrog is not a kitten.
This is not supportable at all. I can just as easily claim that the Balrog is completely susceptible to all HP magic and be equally correct as your above statement. It's an arbitrary and futile argument.
Actual physical means of harming it won't work because they have never shown the ability to harm something that can survive falling miles while fighting the manliest Wizard in the universe.
Avada Kedavra I will admit I am not entirely sure about.
Also RJ, I was one of the first ones to say the Wizards, and by the Wizards I mainly mean Dumbledore and Voldemort, would best the Uruk-Hai army. But the Balrog is a different kind of foe.
Originally posted by NemeBroThe Balrog must have a soul for avada kedavra to work.
Well let's see, vanishing won't work because the Balrog is not a kitten.Actual physical means of harming it won't work because they have never shown the ability to harm something that can survive falling miles while fighting the manliest Wizard in the universe.
Avada Kedavra I will admit I am not entirely sure about.
Also RJ, I was one of the first ones to say the Wizards, and by the Wizards I mainly mean Dumbledore and Voldemort, would best the Uruk-Hai army. But the Balrog is a different kind of foe.
Originally posted by dadudemon
"Non sequitur" - "does not follow"This is not supportable at all. I can just as easily claim that the Balrog is completely susceptible to all HP magic and be equally correct as your above statement. It's an arbitrary and futile argument.
That would have to be backed up with screen footage to be accepted as real... no comparison til then.
The burden of proof is on the claimant, when contradicting a reasonable assertion.
HP magic is subject to where it is practiced, is it not?
(Like when RJ tried to argue that the force is ineffective outside of the specific Star Wars galaxy.)