Suicide

Originally posted by Daemon Seed
Much is spoken about suicide, many believe it is an act of cowardice. Others see it as brave to face death. I believe life is a choice we decide to make each and everyday. I think most adults age 35 and up have at sometime contemplated ending it for themselves. I've never understood why it's against the law. After all going too prison really would show you how great life can be after failing to kill yourself because the noose gave way or you miscalculated the lethal dose.

Does Society have the right to interfere? Is suicide ever justifiable?

Discuss.

It is awful thing to do to one self.And yes I do think that Society should interfere.Even through it is normanly too late by that time.

Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
I think suicide can be a very selfish act, if you have loved ones.

It can be justifiable, even assisted, if someone has a terminal illness and they are suffering.

I think it can definitely be selfish, but selfish behavior shouldn't mean that it can't be allowed.

Originally posted by Daemon Seed
Much is spoken about suicide, many believe it is an act of cowardice. Others see it as brave to face death. I believe life is a choice we decide to make each and everyday. I think most adults age 35 and up have at sometime contemplated ending it for themselves. I've never understood why it's against the law. After all going too prison really would show you how great life can be after failing to kill yourself because the noose gave way or you miscalculated the lethal dose.

Does Society have the right to interfere? Is suicide ever justifiable?

Discuss.

wait... so the negative impact on family members of drug use is a good reason to keep them illegal, but the negative impact on family members from suicide is moot?

I don't think it should be illegal, and I don't think it will cause you to go to hell.

I just think that you should really think about if life is really THAT terrible.

But in the end, it should be your choice.

Originally posted by inimalist
wait... so the negative impact on family members of drug use is a good reason to keep them illegal, but the negative impact on family members from suicide is moot?

Don't bring other debates into this one please. :-)

Originally posted by Daemon Seed
Don't bring other debates into this one please. :-)

you admit this is a glaring hypocrisy? or do you have some mental cartwheels?

Originally posted by inimalist
you admit this is a glaring hypocrisy? or do you have some mental cartwheels?

Not at all, I believe multiple issues make me very anti Marijuana. I also believe under certain circumstances suicide can be a relief for family and friends. It is a distinctly different issue.

i dont see how, elaborate

Originally posted by inimalist
i dont see how, elaborate

If you cannot see believing in certain circumstances suicide is justified and being anti someone smoking marijuana are different debates, I can't really say anything. However I will say neither is about Christmas.

so you are unable to differentiate these things?

Originally posted by inimalist
so you are unable to differentiate these things?

Thats why i'm not debating about Marijuana in a Suicide thread or Christmas in either. I don't carry points over because I see each issue as separate. Trying to score points on one issue through another is a political technique which is flawed as debates are never that simple and neither are people.

In the end, what does it really matter if Suicide is illegal or not? The only impact this has on it is the rare instances in which the suicide fails. Most of the time, if someone wants to commit suicide they are going to do it. It's wrong, selfish, and in most cases cowardly, but people have tons of creative ways of getting the job done with no way for the police to interfere before it's too late.

Now, if you want to make the claim that it's someone's choice, and that if they DO make the choice, doctors have to aid them in their decision, then THAT I disagree with completely.

Originally posted by TacDavey
In the end, what does it really matter if Suicide is illegal or not? The only impact this has on it is the rare instances in which the suicide fails. Most of the time, if someone wants to commit suicide they are going to do it. It's wrong, selfish, and in most cases cowardly, but people have tons of creative ways of getting the job done with no way for the police to interfere before it's too late.

Now, if you want to make the claim that it's someone's choice, and that if they DO make the choice, doctors have to aid them in their decision, then THAT I disagree with completely.

Interesting, no Euthanasia even for the terminally ill?

Originally posted by Daemon Seed
Interesting, no Euthanasia even for the terminally ill?

No. It degrades the value of life. If it's alright to kill because a person isn't happy, what is to stop us from killing because the kids boy friend dumped her? Where do we draw the line on what "suffering" is enough to merit assisted suicide? Who get's to decide where to draw that line, and why are they qualified to make that decision? It causes too many problems.

Originally posted by TacDavey
No. It degrades the value of life. If it's alright to kill because a person isn't happy, what is to stop us from killing because the kids boy friend dumped her? Where do we draw the line on what "suffering" is enough to merit assisted suicide? Who get's to decide where to draw that line, and why are they qualified to make that decision? It causes too many problems.

No offence but are you strongly Christian?

Originally posted by Daemon Seed
No offence but are you strongly Christian?

I don't see what that has to do with anything...

Originally posted by TacDavey
I don't see what that has to do with anything...

It's not meant negatively, it's just I can see that your beliefs may run through your opinions. I don't have a problem with that.

Originally posted by Daemon Seed
It's not meant negatively, it's just I can see that your beliefs may run through your opinions. I don't have a problem with that.

No worries, I didn't think you meant it negatively. I just don't see the relevance. I don't think, in this particular subject, that my points are any more or less valid based off my religious views.

Originally posted by TacDavey
No worries, I didn't think you meant it negatively. I just don't see the relevance. I don't think, in this particular subject, that my points are any more or less valid based off my religious views.

Fair enough, the thing people forget in many debates is opinions vary based on our different perspectives. Our views are coloured strongly by our beliefs. I am an atheist and as such I come at things very differently to you. It does not mean I do not believe you are entitled to your opinion.

Originally posted by Daemon Seed
Fair enough, the thing people forget in many debates is opinions vary based on our different perspectives. Our views are coloured strongly by our beliefs. I am an atheist and as such I come at things very differently to you. It does not mean I do not believe you are entitled to your opinion.

Right. But in regards to this topic, I don't think my view point is specific only to Christians or religious people. An atheist can very well argue the same way I did.