Originally posted by TacDavey
I don't see anything wrong will speeding along the process if someone is going to die anyway. I worry that this will lead to people being able to kill themselves for less severe reasons. Where do we draw the line? Like you said, we can't judge one person's pain over another.
Originally posted by inimalist
so you are against assisted suicide, not suicide proper?
Well, I'm against suicide in general, but the fact is there isn't much you can really do about it in terms of people killing themselves by themselves.
Originally posted by King Kandy
That's why I opt on the side of personal freedom.
You think anyone should be able to kill themselves? Come in, fill out some paper work and we'll work out a day we can bring you in and kill you?
Most of the people who consider suicide aren't in the right state of mind. I'm seeing the population take a drastic drop if we just allow anyone to off themselves. Not to mention the blow it will have to families when Jenny comes home from not getting into the band and tells mom she's going to the suicide clinic because she's 18 and it's her right.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I think that shouldn't be your call to make.Like with so many other things, I'm pro-choice on suicide.
It shouldn't be theirs.
Most people who want to commit suicide are too immature, or not in their right minds. To make it easy for them would be signing a death warrant for a lot of people who should be getting help.
Originally posted by TacDavey
It shouldn't be theirs.Most people who want to commit suicide are too immature, or not in their right minds. To make it easy for them would be signing a death warrant for a lot of people who should be getting help.
This topic has actually had me do quite a bit of research and I've come to this conclusion.
I agree with Bardock. It should be their choice. It's their life.
I still find it to me cowardly and I believe that there are other ways around it. But what is making it illegal going to do? If they succeed in killing themselves, the cops can't do anything, and if they don't, what are they going to do? Send them to prison where they'll try again? Seems pointless.
Originally posted by Utsukushii
This topic has actually had me do quite a bit of research and I've come to this conclusion.I agree with Bardock. It should be their choice. It's their life.
I still find it to me cowardly and I believe that there are other ways around it. But what is making it illegal going to do? If they succeed in killing themselves, the cops can't do anything, and if they don't, what are they going to do? Send them to prison where they'll try again? Seems pointless.
That was my point. I fully understand that there is little that will happen in it is illegal. They can still commit suicide without much problem.
But I see it as worse to make it legal. Because once that happens, you'll have clinics opening up for suicides like you do for abortions. Once someone turns 18, probably, it will be their choice if the want suicide or not. And the fact that it is very easy to get one will drive a lot of people, particularly young kids, into making stupid decisions and ending up killing themselves. Families will be devastated.
It's better to just make it illegal and be done with it. If they really want to commit suicide, they still can. Not much we can do to stop them. But we shouldn't be helping them along.
Originally posted by TacDavey
That was my point. I fully understand that there is little that will happen in it is illegal. They can still commit suicide without much problem.But I see it as worse to make it legal. Because once that happens, you'll have clinics opening up for suicides like you do for abortions. Once someone turns 18, probably, it will be their choice if the want suicide or not. And the fact that it is very easy to get one will drive a lot of people, particularly young kids, into making stupid decisions and ending up killing themselves. Families will be devastated.
It's better to just make it illegal and be done with it. If they really want to commit suicide, they still can. Not much we can do to stop them. But we shouldn't be helping them along.
Definition of Suicide : The action of killing oneself intentionally
If clinics opened up to assist with suicide. It would no longer be suicide. If anything it would probably be something like manslaughter
Originally posted by TacDavey
Once someone turns 18, probably, it will be their choice if the want suicide or not. And the fact that it is very easy to get one will drive a lot of people, particularly young kids, into making stupid decisions and ending up killing themselves.
lol
do you have a single shred of evidence to back this up?
Originally posted by Utsukushii
Definition of Suicide : The action of killing [b]oneself intentionallyIf clinics opened up to assist with suicide. It would no longer be suicide. If anything it would probably be something like manslaughter [/B]
It would be assisted suicide.
Originally posted by inimalist
loldo you have a single shred of evidence to back this up?
Not really. Just something I worry about happening.
Look at the way it is now. You have tons of teenagers who consider suicide regularly, and many of them are prone to impulsive, stupid decisions. We shouldn't make suicide easy for people.
Originally posted by TacDavey
Not really. Just something I worry about happening.Look at the way it is now. You have tons of teenagers who consider suicide regularly, and many of them are prone to impulsive, stupid decisions. We shouldn't make suicide easy for people.
I'd pick up a couple of psychiatric journals about suicide and depression if I were you
long story short: you needn't worry
Originally posted by inimalist
I'd pick up a couple of psychiatric journals about suicide and depression if I were youlong story short: you needn't worry
Except we see tons of people committing suicide despite the fact it's illegal. It isn't a difficult jump to see what would happen if the government supported it.
Originally posted by TacDavey
It shouldn't be theirs.Most people who want to commit suicide are too immature, or not in their right minds. To make it easy for them would be signing a death warrant for a lot of people who should be getting help.
It should be theirs. It's their life. You shouldn't get to make the call whether an adult is too immature or not in their right mind. And we definitely shouldn't criminalize people helping people who want to die.
Originally posted by The Dark CloudI also consider it an act of cowardice when, eg, a politician or CEO gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar, then kills himself to avoid jail time or even the embarassment of a trial.
I think suicide can be a very selfish act, if you have loved ones.
Originally posted by The Dark CloudSometimes, when someone is ready to go, the peace that comes over them is almost tangible.
It can be justifiable, even assisted, if someone has a terminal illness and they are suffering.
Originally posted by Bardock42
A bit like drugs I suppose, in fact drugs seem to have an inverse relationship with legality.
ha, I just made a post in another thread sort of related to this and the extremes a state would need to go to curtail drug use
I guess I can't say for sure that suicide rates aren't affected by the law, but look even at Muslim nations, where there is such a huge stigma against it, the rates are still fairly prevelant.
that being said, male suicide is a silent epidemic, and the "men use more fatal methods" excuse does NOT account for it. The only nation where female suicide matches that of males is in China, and places like scandanavia have equal rates of self harm between males and females (the old addage is that females harm, men kill, but if harm rates are the same in scandanavia and males are still far more likely to kill themselves, it highlights the issue)
Originally posted by Utsukushii
I can walk outside and get hit by a semi.I can grab a gun and blow my brains out.
I can stab myself with a kitchen knife.
I can fall out my bedroom window.
I can place a plastic bag on my head.
How much easier can it get?
A LOT easier. How about some pills or an injection that makes you go to sleep? The ways you provided were quite painful, and difficult to actually go through with.
Originally posted by Bardock42
It should be theirs. It's their life. You shouldn't get to make the call whether an adult is too immature or not in their right mind. And we definitely shouldn't criminalize people helping people who want to die.
Then we'll have to agree to disagree. I absolutely think we should be working to prevent suicide. Not going along with it. If someone wants to kill themselves, they need help. Not an easy way to do it.
Originally posted by TacDavey
A LOT easier. How about some pills or an injection that makes you go to sleep? The ways you provided were quite painful, and difficult to actually go through with.
from the psychological data, there has never been someone for whom killing themselves was an easy choice, or something they did on a whim