No suicide is not cowardly nor is it really brave, for those who call it cowardly they have never been "there" and are trying to deduce what it would feel alike to, theres levels of being upset about something and then theres depression far above it. I would imagine that being suicidal however can push people into more action than anything, having the wish to kill yourself day in day out may push you into eventually doing something about it although not everyone can get a gun or simply calculate coldly what they need to die and then do it because human beings are also creatures of instinct not to mension can covet hope even if it does not exist.
Also as to it being selfish, that depends on how you look at it and depends on person to person. Selfish is not having consideration for others but for example if you are in an extreme amount of pain sometimes death is the only option you can percieve but you can indeed consider others concering it and the pain they may feel. You cant simply assume however that your suffering will be overshadow by theirs at your death, some people cna cope far more than others not because their stronger but because of their outlook on life. "ignorence is bliss" works well here, in that if you took inhabitants of extremely poor countries/tribes who die of famine and disease they live with it. They continue on and they can live happy lives and aspire to education but if you grab a young teen from London or New york and put them in the same situation of even someone younger than them they would break down since they cannot face something at the drop of a coin.
Outlook on life itself is what imo governs how suicide should be percieved. You cannot judge someone as a coward simply because you lack understanding on their motives, background etc. Brave soldiers who have fought in war could indeed decide on suicide to end pain either physical or emotional but theyve seen far more pain than you could likely ever take.
Originally posted by inimalist
attention seeking behaviour of this type is a telltale sign that someone has some type of psychological issue. It could be either depression or mania, but both are incredibly dangerous for an individualrather than chastising someone for "trying to get attention", maybe one should ask, "what is this person in need of that is driving them to make such poor decisions in terms of getting the attention of others"
If a young girl thinks she needs to cut herself to get attention, do you not think this is [b]the definition
of a psychological problem?however, this "attention seeking" behaviour is at odds with suicide and self harm research. Non-fatal self-harm (some eating disorders included) is normally associated with a perception of control over one's life, and are almost always done in such a way that the individual can hide it from others. People will cut arms, legs or other body parts they can hide with clothing, or bulimics will do everything they can to attempt to look normal to the world. In these cases, the last thing they want it other people involved in their condition, because that reduces the control they feel it gives them.
In suicidal cases, one of the most confusing signs someone is going to kill themselves is a sudden positive change in mood. A person will be happy, wish you well on your way to work, promise to meet for lunch, etc. They do this because they know people would try to stop them from killing themselves, so they overcompensate, and do everything possible to put forth the image that they are at no risk at all.
so, either "attention seeking" is symptomatic of other much deeper psychological issues, or it is a myth.
otherwise, the way you are using it, it is an attempt in some way to "blame the victim". [/B]
I am not blaming the victim at all.And I argee with what you are saying.I also want to add that person might not be in the right state of mind when they are planning it.
Also what they must think to themselves is that there is always tomorrow or next week that there promblem may be better.Either way it is never the right way to handle your promblems.
Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
I am not blaming the victim at all.And I argee with what you are saying.I also want to add that person might not be in the right state of mind when they are planning it.
Also what they must think to themselves is that there is always tomorrow or next week that there promblem may be better.Either way it is never the right way to handle your promblems.
How are your promblems Jackie? Bless you 🙂
Originally posted by Archaeopteryx
I think suicide can be a very selfish act, if you have loved ones.It can be justifiable, even assisted, if someone has a terminal illness and they are suffering.
I kinda have a different view on this now.
Example 1 "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem"
Response: Not necessarily, there are all kinds of situations one cannot get out of, terminal illness, long term incarceration for something they didn't do (or did do), extreme debt (economic slavery) that has no end in sight, literally all kinds of things.
Example 2 "Suicide is selfish"
Response: Yes it is, but who is being selfish, the person killing themselves causing grief to their loved ones, or their loved ones who want them to live and suffer. Clinical help doesn't always work and nut houses are horrible places.
Just a thought
Originally posted by ArchaeopteryxSometimes it's just a choice, look at Hemmingway, Bourdain, Williams or a billion others, as people can't live their lives to please others, neither can they choose life to please others. You always have the choice to leave anything and that includes living.
I kinda have a different view on this now.Example 1 "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem"
Response: Not necessarily, there are all kinds of situations one cannot get out of, terminal illness, long term incarceration for something they didn't do (or did do), extreme debt (economic slavery) that has no end in sight, literally all kinds of things.
Example 2 "Suicide is selfish"
Response: Yes it is, but who is being selfish, the person killing themselves causing grief to their loved ones, or their loved ones who want them to live and suffer. Clinical help doesn't always work and nut houses are horrible places.
Just a thought
I talked about this subject often with a friend who was obsessed with what he'd do, if he ended up a cripple in a wheelchair, on life support, unable to check out even if he wanted to.
I was sympathetic, in the sense that I well understood his concerns. No one wanted to live as nursing home or home care people do.
On the other hand, this same friend eventually started peeing into snapple bottles and leaving them around the house.
So, my conclusion is that yes, there are cases where people being kept alive is cruelty incarnate.
In most cases though, some people simply need help. A young, healthy teen choosing to end his/her life, for example, is not something I can simply say "Well, it was his/her choice."