Suicide

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
The law does not define society, the law defines the rules of a government. The people around you are society.

I would say laws help shape society.

Originally posted by TacDavey
A LOT easier. How about some pills or an injection that makes you go to sleep? The ways you provided were quite painful, and difficult to actually go through with.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. I absolutely think we should be working to prevent suicide. Not going along with it. If someone wants to kill themselves, they need help. Not an easy way to do it.

You can overdose on pills now....

Death is no easy answer, for those who wish to know. Just ask those people that have been before you to see what fate the future holds- Cause it ain't pretty!

The late and great Phil Lynott.

Originally posted by Utsukushii
You can overdose on pills now....

This requires you to have the correct pills and the correct dosage.

you can overdose on diphenhydramine, which is an active in most allergy pills. 8 dollars to kill yourself and no one can stop you.

Originally posted by Utsukushii
you can overdose on diphenhydramine, which is an active in most allergy pills. 8 dollars to kill yourself and no one can stop you.

You would have to take a lot to overdose, and if you get the dosage wrong you're not going to have much fun.

Picking up pills or shots specifically designed to provide you an easy death is still... well, easier.

Originally posted by TacDavey
You would have to take a lot to overdose, and if you get the dosage wrong you're not going to have much fun.

Picking up pills or shots specifically designed to provide you an easy death is still... well, easier.

What I'm saying is, regardless of whether it's legal or not. You can still kill yourself if you really want to.

Originally posted by Utsukushii
What I'm saying is, regardless of whether it's legal or not. You can still kill yourself if you really want to.

I absolutely agree with that.

Most people say they are to get attention or what not and don't do it at all, I do argee with it being a very selfish thing to do however.

I am not entirely sure a depression of that level is really something that one brings unto themselves.

Originally posted by Liberator
I am not entirely sure a depression of that level is really something that one brings unto themselves.

Absolutely and even if it was, as humans we should empathise and support.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Most people say they are to get attention or what not and don't do it at all, I do argee with it being a very selfish thing to do however.

attention seeking behaviour of this type is a telltale sign that someone has some type of psychological issue. It could be either depression or mania, but both are incredibly dangerous for an individual

rather than chastising someone for "trying to get attention", maybe one should ask, "what is this person in need of that is driving them to make such poor decisions in terms of getting the attention of others"

If a young girl thinks she needs to cut herself to get attention, do you not think this is the definition of a psychological problem?

however, this "attention seeking" behaviour is at odds with suicide and self harm research. Non-fatal self-harm (some eating disorders included) is normally associated with a perception of control over one's life, and are almost always done in such a way that the individual can hide it from others. People will cut arms, legs or other body parts they can hide with clothing, or bulimics will do everything they can to attempt to look normal to the world. In these cases, the last thing they want it other people involved in their condition, because that reduces the control they feel it gives them.

In suicidal cases, one of the most confusing signs someone is going to kill themselves is a sudden positive change in mood. A person will be happy, wish you well on your way to work, promise to meet for lunch, etc. They do this because they know people would try to stop them from killing themselves, so they overcompensate, and do everything possible to put forth the image that they are at no risk at all.

so, either "attention seeking" is symptomatic of other much deeper psychological issues, or it is a myth.

otherwise, the way you are using it, it is an attempt in some way to "blame the victim".

Originally posted by inimalist
attention seeking behaviour of this type is a telltale sign that someone has some type of psychological issue. It could be either depression or mania, but both are incredibly dangerous for an individual

rather than chastising someone for "trying to get attention", maybe one should ask, "what is this person in need of that is driving them to make such poor decisions in terms of getting the attention of others"

If a young girl thinks she needs to cut herself to get attention, do you not think this is [b]the definition of a psychological problem?

however, this "attention seeking" behaviour is at odds with suicide and self harm research. Non-fatal self-harm (some eating disorders included) is normally associated with a perception of control over one's life, and are almost always done in such a way that the individual can hide it from others. People will cut arms, legs or other body parts they can hide with clothing, or bulimics will do everything they can to attempt to look normal to the world. In these cases, the last thing they want it other people involved in their condition, because that reduces the control they feel it gives them.

In suicidal cases, one of the most confusing signs someone is going to kill themselves is a sudden positive change in mood. A person will be happy, wish you well on your way to work, promise to meet for lunch, etc. They do this because they know people would try to stop them from killing themselves, so they overcompensate, and do everything possible to put forth the image that they are at no risk at all.

so, either "attention seeking" is symptomatic of other much deeper psychological issues, or it is a myth.

otherwise, the way you are using it, it is an attempt in some way to "blame the victim". [/B]

we may disagree on much, but that's a good post mate.

it is my day job, lol 😛

Talking about killing yourself can be a sign of attention-seeking.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Talking about killing yourself can be a sign of attention-seeking.

sure, but thinking one needs to resort to such measures to get attention is indicative of some underlying issues.

Definitely. Still have no compassion for them, but I can't deny they have a problem.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well the environment and how you were raised does play a role. In this case it wouldn't be the law as much though as personal influence and tradition.

We can't equate suicide to regular, every day decision making however. The whole process of deciding to end your own life is an incredibly personal one that seems to defy normative behavior as dictated by society.

Originally posted by Existere
Personal influence and tradition may play a role in standard decision making; If everybody around you buys a particular brand of food or drives in a particular manner, that will inevitably shape your own behavior and your perceptions of the world in regards to food choice and driving style.

We can't equate suicide to regular, every day decision making however. The whole process of deciding to end your own life is an incredibly personal one that seems to defy normative behavior as dictated by society.

Exactly, damn it's like a night of excellent posts in the GDF wtf!

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Definitely. Still have no compassion for them, but I can't deny they have a problem.

well, that is a profound statement about yourself that you have no compassion for someone with a severe mental health issue...